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Talcum Powder

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The fact of the matter is that it's not true! Why would he confirm someone's thoughts about him? He looked for help and continues to look, but he does it slowly and carefully, since it is difficult to trust distant, unfamiliar people.

Why would he cheat ?!

I'm sure if he refuses to search for an assistant, he will say about it publicly.

Probably these claims come from people who offered him cooperation, but were rejected. This is my guess.
I get what you're saying but how can you say, after so much time (years since help came up), that it's not true? If there was an intent to acquire help why on earth would anyone put out a diatribe about strangers and trust and sharing assets and on and on? Just say something like "You all know the standards I've set, it's so hard to find someone with the skill and technique I require and has a track record of successful collaboration upon which I can base my trust. The search continues."

But we don't get that, we get something akin to the raging ravings of a - I'll stop short of calling L&P a madman, but the tone is really angry and defensive when it doesn't need to be. I get they may be very frustrated on this point but there's no need to be defensive if you're confident in what you're doing.

Maybe the first helper L&P should hire is public relations and communications? If they are really committed to the next 15+ years then why not get someone low-key to handle the tone of public communication? Maybe even do some promotion?

I dunno.
 
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Well, it can generate a text that is even more intriguing than many games! :ROFLMAO:

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The sausage gives that je ne sais pas quoi touch. :D
And the last sentence has 6 words too many ;)
I wonder if we haven't just opened Pandora's box. :LOL:
Nah, I think that at least a few game devs have been using it to generate the contents for their games already. I kind of remember reading the same kind of text from quite a few games here. :unsure:
 
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L&P think he was just joking))) there will be more of everything
Why should there be more. Sophia would be completely naked during the event, maybe covered by the pose, but completely naked. That is more than the whole day before. That is progression. And if she can be "touched" afterwards, the tension of the whole day has to go away. That's more of everything (so far)!
 

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All the script writers I talked to yet, didn't satisfy me. I was looking for someone who could fill some story details so that I won't spend so much time on that but I also didn't find anyone here.
Don't know how to get hold of you directly, but send me your outline for whatever playable day you have mapped out and I'll give scripting a whirl. Seriously, what could it hurt?
 

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I get what you're saying but how can you say, after so much time (years since help came up), that it's not true? If there was an intent to acquire help why on earth would anyone put out a diatribe about strangers and trust and sharing assets and on and on? Just say something like "You all know the standards I've set, it's so hard to find someone with the skill and technique I require and has a track record of successful collaboration upon which I can base my trust. The search continues."

But we don't get that, we get something akin to the raging ravings of a - I'll stop short of calling L&P a madman, but the tone is really angry and defensive when it doesn't need to be. I get they may be very frustrated on this point but there's no need to be defensive if you're confident in what you're doing.

Maybe the first helper L&P should hire is public relations and communications? If they are really committed to the next 15+ years then why not get someone low-key to handle the tone of public communication? Maybe even do some promotion?

I dunno.
I would also be mad if 50% of the posts in this forum consisted of attacking me and my style of work. In the form of "reasoned" advice, of course. Totally selfless!
Of course you can say "you have to be able to endure that when you are in public", but it doesn’t pass you by without emotion.
 

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I get what you're saying but how can you say, after so much time (years since help came up), that it's not true? If there was an intent to acquire help why on earth would anyone put out a diatribe about strangers and trust and sharing assets and on and on? Just say something like "You all know the standards I've set, it's so hard to find someone with the skill and technique I require and has a track record of successful collaboration upon which I can base my trust. The search continues."

But we don't get that, we get something akin to the raging ravings of a - I'll stop short of calling L&P a madman, but the tone is really angry and defensive when it doesn't need to be. I get they may be very frustrated on this point but there's no need to be defensive if you're confident in what you're doing.

Maybe the first helper L&P should hire is public relations and communications? If they are really committed to the next 15+ years then why not get someone low-key to handle the tone of public communication? Maybe even do some promotion?

I dunno.
I can say this because in March or February of this year, that is, recently, he spoke about it. I understand him and believe him because I manage projects myself, in another area, but I often face incompetence, despite the fact that the applicant speaks of himself as a great specialist.
Moreover, I am fond of writing mini stories and for more than a year in search of a 3D artist. All my attempts to collaborate were unsuccessful, except for the fan art work based on AWAM.
Therefore, I know from my own experience that speaking is much easier than putting it into practice! And in this regard, L&P is at its best, he has already done a great job and I do not see him stop.
Our desires should not and cannot be a direct indication for him to action; first of all, he embodies his idea.
 

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I would also be mad if 50% of the posts in this forum consisted of attacking me and my style of work. In the form of "reasoned" advice, of course. Totally selfless!
Of course you can say "you have to be able to endure that when you are in public", but it doesn’t pass you by without emotion.
Sure, totally. But, you have to actually type something out before hitting send. Sometimes, and especially if you're angry, just take a few moments and a few deep breaths before posting.
 

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I can say this because in March or February of this year, that is, recently, he spoke about it. I understand him and believe him because I manage projects myself, in another area, but I often face incompetence, despite the fact that the applicant speaks of himself as a great specialist.
Moreover, I am fond of writing mini stories and for more than a year in search of a 3D artist. All my attempts to collaborate were unsuccessful, except for the fan art work based on AWAM.
Therefore, I know from my own experience that speaking is much easier than putting it into practice! And in this regard, L&P is at its best, he has already done a great job and I do not see him stop.
Our desires should not and cannot be a direct indication for him to action; first of all, he embodies his idea.
I'm more responding to the tone - so defensive, reactionary. I'm not really suggesting some cloak and dagger bullshit is going on, I think more that L&P has almost zero willingness to compromise on any aspect - which is their right and not what I'm on about - but that unwillingness to compromise is a de facto statement that there's no intention of getting help.

I get it from my own experiences, that it's often faster to do the work yourself and do it "right" then to take on the added load of reviewing and correcting and sometimes actually re-doing.
 
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I would also be mad if 50% of the posts in this forum consisted of attacking me and my style of work. In the form of "reasoned" advice, of course. Totally selfless!
Of course you can say "you have to be able to endure that when you are in public", but it doesn’t pass you by without emotion.
L&P is in a weird spot. No one is criticizing him for the quality of his work, it's almost exclusively about the length of his development cycles and not reigning himself in. To my knowledge it's a very unique problem to have. But in any event it turns into a vicious cycle in which fans get frustrated so he gets defensive which further frustrates fans.

Honestly, the idea of hiring a person to handle social media and PR may not be a bad idea.
 
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There are plenty of moral lessons that can be drawn from . Some of the more obvious ones include the following:
Persistence is a virtue: The entire story is based on the old man's refusal to give up in his battle with the fish. His determination, even when he seems overmatched in his little boat, is meant to be admired.
Being true to oneself: The old man is completely secure in his identity as a fisherman and does not measure his self-worth in terms of what he catches. His fishing ability is inborn, and his knowledge of the sea is instinctive.
Courage: The old man's battle with the fish is a kind of ultimate test of his courage, although the old man does not think about it in that way. Hemingway's famous definition of courage as "grace under pressure" comes into play here, as the fisherman's courage is less a conscious decision on his part than it is something necessary in order for him to perform his work.
One's work should be one's art: The fisherman's adventure with the fish is a kind of expression of the artist at work, struggling with his material. In another sense, the instinctive way the old man approaches fishing is similar to the way the artist develops his work. In either case, his fishing is an expression of his inner personality and passion.
The end is less important than the means: It is significant that the old man is not able to bring the fish to market and that all that is left of it, in the end, is the skeleton. What is important about the old man's struggle is not what he acquires, but how his struggle validates his identity as a fisherman.

From Octavia Cordell, Certified Educator, Teacher K-12, Educator since 2016

Ernest Miller Hemingway, American Writer

There are some similarities to L&P if you can imagine them.

-Not your average "Captain Dunsel" post!- :)
 

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Nah, I think that at least a few game devs have been using it to generate the contents for their games already. I kind of remember reading the same kind of text from quite a few games here. :unsure:
We will soon have GAN networks that generate renderings from any text, pigeons and squirrels included ;)
see for example
 
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There are plenty of moral lessons that can be drawn from . Some of the more obvious ones include the following:
Persistence is a virtue: The entire story is based on the old man's refusal to give up in his battle with the fish. His determination, even when he seems overmatched in his little boat, is meant to be admired.
Being true to oneself: The old man is completely secure in his identity as a fisherman and does not measure his self-worth in terms of what he catches. His fishing ability is inborn, and his knowledge of the sea is instinctive.
Courage: The old man's battle with the fish is a kind of ultimate test of his courage, although the old man does not think about it in that way. Hemingway's famous definition of courage as "grace under pressure" comes into play here, as the fisherman's courage is less a conscious decision on his part than it is something necessary in order for him to perform his work.
One's work should be one's art: The fisherman's adventure with the fish is a kind of expression of the artist at work, struggling with his material. In another sense, the instinctive way the old man approaches fishing is similar to the way the artist develops his work. In either case, his fishing is an expression of his inner personality and passion.
The end is less important than the means: It is significant that the old man is not able to bring the fish to market and that all that is left of it, in the end, is the skeleton. What is important about the old man's struggle is not what he acquires, but how his struggle validates his identity as a fisherman.

From Octavia Cordell, Certified Educator, Teacher K-12, Educator since 2016

Ernest Miller Hemingway, American Writer

There are some similarities to L&P if you can imagine them.

-Not your average "Captain Dunsel" post!- :)
And yet all he gets in the end is a bunch of fish bones and he's older and more tired. My point is: from our objective stand point it's a spectacular failure. By his sheer stubbornness he has risked his life with no worthwhile results. Like getting gored by the Bulls in Spain (Pamplona?) was it worth it? We can go on and on about pride and fate - Hemingway was hardly a Saint and his alcoholic treatment of his family & friends was not very edifying. May have been due to the multiple heads wounds & concussions he received in his life. In the end he kills himself - not a good sign or an example to emulate I would say. I don't equate L&P with Hemingway. The spectacle with AWAM is sublime, the pace very frustrating. One of those things will have to give (a little) perhaps before the story is over.

Sorry I just watched Ken Burns Hemingway - I am suddenly an expert
 
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And yet all he gets in the end is a bunch of fish bones and he's older and more tired.
"Man gotta be the man, fish gotta be the fish". A Denzel Washington quote in the 'The equalizer'. The story was about more than fish bones. It takes some thought to discover that!
 
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