VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

I don't get it. I agree that using 'it' to refer to a person sounds awful. But how do you use 'they/them' for a single person?

Of course. How else would you refer to someone if you don't know their gender?

 

[ashitanojoe]

Of course. How else would you refer to someone if you don't know their gender?

Make an example, use they/them in a sentence.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Make an example, use they/them in a sentence.

They've taken far too long to put out this update.

 

[ashitanojoe]

They've taken far too long to put out this update.

And the people will believe that there are more than one dev.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

I don't get it. I agree that using 'it' to refer to a person sounds awful. But how do you use 'they/them' for a single person?

They and Them are often used to define a group, as you said, but if you don't know the person's gender, "They" can be used as a gender-neutral word until you know their gender. In this case, L&P states that he is a male.

 

[Hlextor]

Really interesting topics today! English for advanced learners.

 

[トルフィン]

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They and Them are often used to define a group, as you said, but if you don't know the person's gender, "They" can be used as a gender-neutral word until you know their gender. In this case, L&P states that he is a male.

Did he state that before or after his surgery in Korea?

 

[ashitanojoe]

They posted a poor example (when I'm talking about Alley_Cat ). I don't know their sex, so I used "they".

They and Them are often used to define a group, as you said, but if you don't know the person's gender, "They" can be used as a gender-neutral word until you know their gender. In this case, L&P states that he is a male.

But this is something new, right? This reminds me that episode from 'This Is Us' where the daughter is 'teaching' her mother that she must not refer to her friend as 'she', because her friend is a non binary person. That she must use 'they' instead (And she yells at her mother actually).

I personally find this unnecessary, but to each 'their' own.

Hey! Look what example I found: the sentence is 'to each his own', not her own, neither their own, nor 'his/her' own. His own. If we don't know the gender of a person we use 'he'.

 

[ashitanojoe]

Pick up a dictionary instead of making stupid assumptions.

I'm asking. I'm trying to learn, why do you need to be so rude?

So, this is nothing new, it's actually from forever, is that what you are saying?

 

[You Don't See Me]

This isn't an AWAM thread, it's Pink Floyd's "Wall". Where some are intent on being "bricks".
"We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control." "HEY, TEACHERS! LEAVE THEM KIDS ALONE." JMHO

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[nexer]

Interesting discussion, but you are moving away from the new Progress line promoted by Biden and Trudeau. The new Progress line promotes inclusive, gender-neutral language.
So, excuse me, but English discriminates, separating by gender.

 

[Bernardo Cempoaltecátl]

Interesting discussion, but you are moving away from the new Progress line promoted by Biden and Trudeau. The new Progress line promotes inclusive, gender-neutral language.
So, excuse me, but English discriminates, separating by gender.

Keep your progressive communist. political views to yourself. We don't need them in our games.

 

[ashitanojoe]

Ok, I respect Walt Whitman, one of the greatest American poets. Look this sentence from his poem 'Song of Myself, 48':

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his own
funeral drest in his shroud."

Would you prefer something like:

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his/her own
funeral drest in his/her shroud."

Or

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his or her own
funeral drest in his or her shroud."

In the middle of a poem? Really?

And If you write: "And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to their own"
Is not that bad grammar?

I'm asking. No need to be rude.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Ok, I respect Walt Whitman, one of the greatest American poets. Look this sentence from his poem 'Song of Myself, 48':

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his own
funeral drest in his shroud."

Would you prefer something like:

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his/her own
funeral drest in his/her shroud."

Or

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his or her own
funeral drest in his or her shroud."

In the middle of a poem? Really?

And If you write: "And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to their own"
Is not that bad grammar?

I'm asking. No need to be rude.

I think you're making this a little bit more complicated than what it is.

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his own
funeral drest in his shroud."

The author has already identified the gender in this sentence, and he is conveying that the gender is male in his poem. Now let's go back to your previous example of "They." I think this is the best way to describe this word in a sentence with a definition.

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Picture you're outside of a store, and you and someone with you see a person in the store, but you don't know the gender. One of you may tell the other to go see if they may help you. Once you know the gender, you can use the word he or she.

 

[ashitanojoe]

I think you're making this a little bit more complicated than what it is.

"And whoever walks a furlong without sympathy walks to his own
funeral drest in his shroud."

The author has already identified the gender in this sentence, and he is conveying that the gender is male in his poem. Now let's go back to your previous example of "They." I think this is the best way to describe this word in a sentence with a definition.

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Picture you're outside of a store and you and someone with you see a person in the store but you don't know the gender. One of you may tell the other to go see if they may help you. Once you know the gender, you can used the word he or she.

Oh no, he is clearly referring to all the people, he isn't referring to a single person, he is talking about everybody, every gender.

My question about your example is that if this is a new way of speaking? Or you have used 'they' in that context always, since centuries ago?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Oh no, he is clearly referring to all the people, he isn't referring to a single person, he is talking about everybody, every gender.

My question about your example is that if this is a new way of speaking? Or you have used 'they' in that context always, from centuries ago.

I'll have to read the poem again, but no this isn't a new way of speaking. This has been around for years. It's just that the context of the word is mostly used in group settings.

 

[ashitanojoe]

I'll have to read the poem again, but no this isn't a new way of speaking. This has been around for years. It's just that the context of the word is mostly used in group settings.

The thing is that your example is correct but it's different than the topic we were talking about. In this context you are referring to a somebody in a place that doesn't belong to you. So, yes, you can say look if they can help you, because at the same time you are talking about 'the customers' or the 'employees' of that store, even if you are pointing to only one person. You are referring more to the 'status' of someone than the person himself.

But when you talk about a specific person, despite of not knowing the gender, you are refering to the 'self', to the qualities that make that person unique: in this case the dev of AWAM. In this context using 'they' sounds wrong to me. Something different would be for example writing in this thread: Why they never upload the games faster? In that case you are talking about all the slower erotic games devs but no specifically to L&P.

I don't know if I was able to make my point.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

The thing is that your example is correct but it's different than the topic we were talking about. In this context you are referring to a somebody in a place that doesn't belong to you. So, yes, you can say look if they can help you, because at the same time you are talking about 'the customers' or the 'employees' of that store, even if you are pointing to only one person. You are referring more to the 'status' of someone than the person himself.

But when you talk about a specific person, despite of not knowing the gender, you are refering to the 'self', to the qualities that make that person unique: in this case the dev of AWAM. In this context using 'they' sounds wrong to me. Something different would be for example writing in this thread: Why they never upload the games faster? In that case you are talking about all the slower erotic games devs but no specifically to L&P.

I don't know if I was able to make my point.

I'll send you a message. I think we're beyond off-topic now.

 

[nexer]

Keep your progressive communist. political views to yourself. We don't need them in our games.

Don't be rude. We have a strong lesbian current in this forum demanding more scenes of this type, I would say only of this type. And this current has progressive components.
To my surprise, the same ones who correct grammar gender mistakes (his/her) in English.
So, ...

 

[Bernardo Cempoaltecátl]

Don't be rude. We have a strong lesbian current in this forum demanding more scenes of this type, I would say only of this type. And this current has progressive components.
To my surprise, the same ones who correct grammar gender mistakes (his/her) in English.
So, ...

Ok sorry if I sounded rude , but my point is : we don't need to be concerned about who gets offended with our use or lack thereof words that are not politically correct or "inclusive" or "gender neutral" in our games. We have enough thought police and grammar and speech Nazis in real life , we don't need it in our games. Freedom of speech should not be regulated by anyone , and that includes the words we want to use (as long as they are not direct personal insults to someone or calls of violence against someone or a group of people) regardless of who gets offended. Just saying.