VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Bishop Robert]

lie by omission is a sin
you should know

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Greed and Lust are 2 of the 7 deadly sins. Two is more than enough for you, Brother Robert

oh boy oh boy

 

[Bishop Robert]

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Hmm, maybe it is possible for us to get 2 more updates this year? Or is that a reach?

 

[Talcum Powder]

Catch Ellie and Christine with some sex toys and that's enough. At least the "perv brother" part goes away.

Ok, I get that Dylan COULD do something to knock her down a peg, but if he did do that wouldn't that make him more unlikeable? In other words, in a narrative sense, how does this help the story move along or serve his or Ellie's character development? They are both competitive, engage in fairly typical brother and sister spats and teasing and (surprisingly, almost unbelievably, for such good looking teenagers) sexually inexperienced, but we already know that.

If Dylan takes a swing at her what are we learning besides that Dylan is a spiteful and/or jealous prick? If that punch lands, what does that do to Ellie? break her? push her further into her mother's comforting embrace? or Julia's arms? or cause her to escalate (revenge)? Seems like the middle two are happening already without agitation from Dylan so while it could add another dimension it doesn't change the fact of the matter. The first and fourth, while fun and possibly interesting, are very big distractions from what we really want to see.

 

[Talcum Powder]

One can only hope. The Jogging scene was a nice turnaround from the perversion. Hopefully, It will continue.

Jogging and subsequent massage in the park was a nice turn for Dylan the character and his progression with Sophia, totally agree. I think something spiteful or vengeful towards Ellie pushes him back towards immature and insecure, though.

 

[Sonny86]

Hmm, maybe it is possible for us to get 2 more updates this year? Or is that a reach?

I believe it's possible. If 150 is done by October 1rst. He could do another by end of year. If not too big

 

[Hlextor]

How do you envision Dylan bringing Ellie down to earth? We expect there's no more blackmail being introduced so it's most likely not to do with any sort of threat of exposing her (whether her activities with Julia, Logan or even Sophia). Doing something as outrageous as she did to him with the blue pill prank or somehow sabotaging her school, dance, cheerleading, or her pursuit of either Julia or Logan (or even Sophia)? Any of those would just make Dylan an even less likable character, right?

No, I don't think so either , that Dylan will blackmail her in any way. Then Dylan would be also for me unsympathetic!
I think it will now in the coming update or at the latest at the next event recognizable, as the two come closer. Here it must be decided whether Dylan's story continues with Ellie or Sophia. There will not be a harem for Dylan.

 

[Atton563]

Ok, I get that Dylan COULD do something to knock her down a peg, but if he did do that wouldn't that make him more unlikeable? In other words, in a narrative sense, how does this help the story move along or serve his or Ellie's character development? They are both competitive, engage in fairly typical brother and sister spats and teasing and (surprisingly, almost unbelievably, for such good looking teenagers) sexually inexperienced, but we already know that.

If Dylan takes a swing at her what are we learning besides that Dylan is a spiteful and/or jealous prick? If that punch lands, what does that do to Ellie? break her? push her further into her mother's comforting embrace? or Julia's arms? or cause her to escalate (revenge)? Seems like the middle two are happening already without agitation from Dylan so while it could add another dimension it doesn't change the fact of the matter. The first and fourth, while fun and possibly interesting, are very big distractions from what we really want to see.

I think the best revenge Dylan could get over Ellie would be to lose his V-card before she does, Seems like the sort of thing that would really piss her off plus it wouldn't be something he's actually doing to her so no chance of being seen as petty. Although i can't see it happening before Logan get's his hooks in or Julia gets her way, It's possible on the bording school route but he wouldn't be able to brag about it without ruining Ambers marriage plus no Ellie/Dylan events on that route.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Well it makes sense that he would slow down. As he moves into the Sam event it's going to require entirely new locations and art. The Natalie event had the advantage of using preexisting locations and art, so it could be done "quickly". Nothing else matters in terms of this update's development speed until we know more about the Sam event. That event absolutely has the potential to drag this update out until 2022.

Yeah, the Sam event does have boondoggle written all over it. We must also consider that my calculator is based on a very crude assumption that the "85% of the update is Scene Creation and Rendering" is accurate - that leaves at most 10 - 11% for P&T. That took about 22 days for v0.150, so at 11% P&T, that's a total of 200 days for development, which didn't happen. So it seems like P&T is pushing more like 15% on its own.

If I had to adjust anything in the calculator I'd push Created Scenes up to 60%, Rendering down to 20%, PS to 5% and P&T to 15%. But I only started paying really close attention with the last update so I don't know if those hold true overall.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

No, I don't think so either , that Dylan will blackmail her in any way. Then Dylan would be also for me unsympathetic!
I think it will now in the coming update or at the latest at the next event recognizable, as the two come closer. Here it must be decided whether Dylan's story continues with Ellie or Sophia. There will not be a harem for Dylan.

With the occasional Threesome and things like "Wife Swaps and Gang Bangs," L&P has said that there will be no Harem in the novel period. It would have been nice to see something like Sophia/Dylan/Ellie and maybe Patricia as a foursome, but that's going to be wishful thinking now.

 

[Talcum Powder]

I think the best revenge Dylan could get over Ellie would be to lose his V-card before she does, Seems like the sort of thing that would really piss her off plus it wouldn't be something he's actually doing to her so no chance of being seen as petty. Although i can't see it happening before Logan get's his hooks in or Julia gets her way, It's possible on the bording school route but he wouldn't be able to brag about it without ruining Ambers marriage plus no Ellie/Dylan events on that route.

Again, this is in the universe of the possible, but does L&P's writing or his characters suggest that Dylan would brag to his sister about losing his virginity before her? I was a teenager who lost his virginity and thought that was pretty awesome, and it made me feel more confident but it didn't lower anyone else in my estimation, so I don't see how that fits (I am not claiming to be a representative sample of anything, btw).

 

[Atton563]

Again, this is in the universe of the possible, but does L&P's writing or his characters suggest that Dylan would brag to his sister about losing his virginity before her? I was a teenager who lost his virginity and thought that was pretty awesome, and it made me feel more confident but it didn't lower anyone else in my estimation, so I don't see how that fits (I am not claiming to be a representative sample of anything, btw).

Brag may have been the wrong word to use, if he has sex with Amber he has to keep that secret from everybody Ambers going to be pretty insistent on that but if he gets together with Marie people would eventually figure it out without him saying anything. Also I wasn't suggeting he was going to go up to Ellie and just say it right to her face plus he doesn't know she's a virgin pretty sure he thinks she's a bit of a slut.

 

[hzjujk]

Brag may have been the wrong word to use, if he has sex with Amber he has to keep that secret from everybody Ambers going to be pretty insistent on that but if he gets together with Marie people would eventually figure it out without him saying anything. Also I wasn't suggeting he was going to go up to Ellie and just say it right to her face plus he doesn't know she's a virgin pretty sure he thinks she's a bit of a slut.

Dylan has taken the wind out of his sister's sails once before. When she asked him if he could fix her laptop. That tactic worked. No matter what the girls hide behind their backs, no matter how arrogant his sister puts him down again, his only chance is to stay cool or amiable and in this case to impress Christine, for example. (And that can't happen if he tries to show off with Amber.) Only when Elli realizes that she has to be ashamed of her brother, for example, can she start to tolerate his looks. And can there be any further progress in the Elli / Dylan relationship (sexual or non-sexual).
I don't see a harem mother / daughter / son either, for Dylan it has always been either - or - decisions.
That means either Elli or Sophia.
There won't be an Elli / Dylan relationship in my game simply because, in my opinion, it doesn't match Elli's personality. Also, if L&P really tells a sexual Dylan / Elli router this is actually added to me afterwards.

 

[Old Dog]

Hmm, maybe it is possible for us to get 2 more updates this year? Or is that a reach?

Dylan has taken the wind out of his sister's sails once before. When she asked him if he could fix her laptop. That tactic worked. No matter what the girls hide behind their backs, no matter how arrogant his sister puts him down again, his only chance is to stay cool or amiable and in this case to impress Christine, for example. (And that can't happen if he tries to show off with Amber.) Only when Elli realizes that she has to be ashamed of her brother, for example, can she start to tolerate his looks. And can there be any further progress in the Elli / Dylan relationship (sexual or non-sexual).
I don't see a harem mother / daughter / son either, for Dylan it has always been either - or - decisions.
That means either Elli or Sophia.
There won't be an Elli / Dylan relationship in my game simply because, in my opinion, it doesn't match Elli's personality. Also, if L&P really tells a sexual Dylan / Elli router this is actually added to me afterwards.

I don't believe that there will be a Dylan/Ellie sexual relationship in the game and it has nothing to do with my opinion of Dylan.

 

[nexer]

I don't think Dylan will seek revenge. He's proven to be a forgiving brother with the ransomeware scene. I'd say he's a perfect gentleman.
But catching Ellie with something compromising would change her behavior.

 

[Old Dog]

Hmm, I'm not seeing that at all. Maybe this is going back several years so forgive me and my fading memory, but does Dylan seem like he thinks his sister needs to be "punched in the mouth", as you say? Pissed about the blue pill prank, yes, maybe jealous of her achievements, annoyed by her teasing, but doing something substantial enough/mean enough to cut her down?

How do you envision Dylan bringing Ellie down to earth? We expect there's no more blackmail being introduced so it's most likely not to do with any sort of threat of exposing her (whether her activities with Julia, Logan or even Sophia). Doing something as outrageous as she did to him with the blue pill prank or somehow sabotaging her school, dance, cheerleading, or her pursuit of either Julia or Logan (or even Sophia)? Any of those would just make Dylan an even less likable character, right?

I envision Dylan changing Ellie's attitude towards him by Dylan taking care of Logan.
This will impress Ellie/Sophia/Christine and many more females.

 

[Neoblack]

Hmmmm waht do you think ? update in Month or next life?

 

[Alley_Cat]

I think the best revenge Dylan could get over Ellie would be to lose his V-card before she does, Seems like the sort of thing that would really piss her off plus it wouldn't be something he's actually doing to her so no chance of being seen as petty. Although i can't see it happening before Logan get's his hooks in or Julia gets her way, It's possible on the bording school route but he wouldn't be able to brag about it without ruining Ambers marriage plus no Ellie/Dylan events on that route.

While it's certainly possible for Dylan to lose his V-card before Ellie, particularly with Marie, why would Ellie care? She can have sex whenever she wants, with whoever she wants, it's just been her choice not to.

 

[xxxorro]

All we know is that Dylan has a thing for Christine (well, actually for anything alive with a pair of legs and boobs, at this point )

dy "Well, your friend Christine always shoots me some special glances, and also teases me on occasion when she's here!"
dy "Maybe I'll show HER my room sometime."
e "*Ha-ha* What are you smoking? Please tell me, so I can get some too!"
e "Christine was probably just staring at that strange thing coming out of your nose!"

And from the end of the previous laptop event, there's a hint for the beginning of a different relationship between the two, at least it is what Dylan sees/hopes

dy "Since I've helped you, couldn't you be a little nicer to me?"
e "I could, but where's the fun in that *grin*?"
e "What else is a little brother for *wink*?"
"{color=#ffffff}And with that, Ellie turned around and walked toward her room, while Dylan stared at her backside."
"{color=#ffffff}His eyes followed his sister's curvy, well-toned bottom, which was tightly packed into her hot pants, and her sexy butt cheeks, which shook briefly with every step."
"{color=#ffffff}Dylan loved that his sister liked to show a lot of skin, and that he could admire her beautiful, well-toned legs in all their glory."
"{color=#ffffff}Ellie entered her room..."
"{color=#ffffff}...and slammed the door with her foot."
"{color=#ffffff}Dylan stood there a little while longer. He didn't even notice the bulge in his pants, caused by that indescribable feeling of his sister's soft breasts pressing against his chest."
"{color=#ffffff}Her last words to him were still echoing through his head. They weren't really new, but somehow they sounded different than usual. In some way, there was no feeling of hate in them."

If we assume that their relationship is going to improve, I'd expect still some teasing from Ellie, especially in front of Christine, and then, once again, something that Dylan does to help them will help to change Ellie's feeling about him. As it has been said, probably not in a sexual way but they can become "partners in crime" or allies for future events. And I know it is so vague that it doesn't add much to the discussion, but that's a possible direction.

The only thing I really **wish** that **doesn't** happen is Dylan at some point of the event spying on them while Christina is helping Ellie to shave. He cannot ruin that, that must be part of the morning showers routines with Sophia!!

 

[hzjujk]

I envision Dylan changing Ellie's attitude towards him by Dylan taking care of Logan.
This will impress Ellie/Sophia/Christine and many more females.

Then Loagn would have to turn out to be a total ass. At the moment Elli would scratch out her brother's eyes if he would "take care" of Logan. But if the situation changes regarding the relationship between Logan and Elli and Dylan has the chance to prove himself, that happens much later in the game. Too late in my opinion to be able to impress the women effectively.

 

[Atton563]

While it's certainly possible for Dylan to lose his V-card before Ellie, particularly with Marie, why would Ellie care? She can have sex whenever she wants, with whoever she wants, it's just been her choice not to.

I'm not saying she can't lose it whenever she wants just that she's kinda insecure about still being a virgin she doesn't want her friends to know because it's a status thing for her and she worries Logan will tell people he took her virginity.

Then Loagn would have to turn out to be a total ass. At the moment Elli would scratch out her brother's eyes if he would "take care" of Logan. But if the situation changes regarding the relationship between Logan and Elli and Dylan has the chance to prove himself, that happens much later in the game. Too late in my opinion to be able to impress the women effectively.

Logan taking her virginity then bragging about it to his friends and hers could be what causes Dylan to "take care" of him, I wouldn't want her lose her V-card to him if thats going to happen though she doesn't deserve to have that even if it would make Logan a good antagonist for her stories.