This would have been a very appropriate one if he wanted to give the impression of a wealthy family.
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The problem with this is that you don't know what his CS/Render count and Story Outline will be like in the future. If you're guesstimating the percentage based on what you have seen so far, I would say we are a lot further along than 30-35%. He's trying to tell a story in 30 P.D. that will take much longer to tell a true story like what he is trying to write realistically. Since his story is supposed to be "Realistic," and since we won't have Time-lapses, per the L&P statement, He's going to have significant plotholes forming; there is no doubt in my mind about this to advance the story to keep it in 30 P.D. Say what you will about Sophia/Dylan's story, but that was a major jump going from a perverted teen for 12 P.D. to defending Sophia, and his attitude and demeanor matured in this last P.D. IMO, this was a gap that formed and other gaps will soon follow.Such basic math is my forteI purposely said what I did. I mean see for yourself. The last 3 days have been far far longer than the initial days. Just using day 19, it has 2300+ renders for sure which is 20% of the entire game till now. Has like 13-14 events I believe. Compare it to initial days. It can easily cover the 4-5 days at the start.
So that is why I gave a lesser weightage to the initial days and said the overall story told is not even 30-35%
Another thing is unless you know the outline or story for the following 18 P.D. remaining, Playable Day 13 C.S./Renders could be lower than the current P.D. By looking at the outline for P.D. 13, it seems like he only has one major event planned, and that's the evening. In contrast, this current P.D. ended up with two significant events, in which Sophia/Aiden's story was converted to a major event.
Morning will most likey be short. I haven't seen him do 2 major events back to back with the same set of characters. Coach Sophia is DLC now. Afternoon, maybe short because of the same reasons I gave about back to back major events. I see one major event here and it takes place in the evening. This upcoming P.D. could be shorter than the current P.D. as far as CS/Render count could go.
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It is a rented apartment so maybe that's why they didn't go for something too big unnecessarily. They are just two people. This appartment alone is big for two, why rent an even bigger one. Ofcourse if they buy a new apartment that would be a different scenario.
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Morning bonus scene is interesting because it is supposed to open up options for later on in the game.
Don Morello will probably be a meeting since Sophia is supposed to get a phone call off Morello the night before.
2nd side job not interested
Come home from boarding school is one event that I have been waiting for, could be interesting.
Coach Sophia now a DLC
Sophia/Sam no idea
Sophia/Claire/Maria/Dylan salon I guess.
Sophia/Dylan is supposed to be another big step
Sophia/Dylan-Dylan/Ellie-Dylan/Emma not too sure on this one
I don't think it was a major jump at all, The Aiden story starts because Dylan stands up to him to protect a kid he doesn't know that's getting bullied, so of course he would stand up for his own mother even if he is a perv but you can be a perv and a nice guy at the same time. So I don't see that as a plot hole it's just building on a personality trait that was already there.
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That was a one-time incident in the story. Everything else that follows before and after deals with the perversion side of the story with Dylan; there wasn't another incident to build off from that before the Sophia park incident with the hobos. Plus, we, as readers, didn't witness the fight. That was the excuse used to explain what happened between Aiden and Dylan. That fight scene was designed for "The Twist," which was a ruse. So when he removed The Twist, he would need to follow up with something else to explain it. There is a pothole right there.
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Doesn't he have the option to tell Sam to get of Sophia on the trampoline and to tell his teammates to stop talking about her the way they do about Alyssa? Isn't that considered defending or being protective of her? Sure it's not a huge gesture but it shows he cares, so the idea of him standing up to the hobos does not come from out of the blue.
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Ya I am all open to the possibility of the next few days being far smaller than the current day. Day 13 and Day 14 I estimate at 1500 renders and Day 15 at around 1000. But day 16 having the wild event could once again be 2000+ renders. The initial days are around 200-500 renders easily, now there is hardly going to be a day less than 1500. In terms of the buildup and story being told now is far more in each day than at the beginning days. I might not know the story structure but keeping in mind the trend and how events are getting bolder, the most likely outcome is big days nothing like at the beginning.
Indeed telling a realistic story in 30 days will require him to do alot more writing and explanation. To make this believable he will need to be an exceptional writer which I don't think he will be able to pull off. Even pro writers will have trouble writing a realistic story with sex and erotic scenes coming one after another. Since sex and erotic acts are actually a very small part of an normal individuals daily life. So towards end it will be difficult, I just want him to give this story a respectable end and not a typical porn game like. About Dylan, I see no issues, but we have talked about this too, so no point in arguing over it. Some things are just differently viewed by different people, there is no right no wrong.
Man that's not a plothole. Just because the story says it happened off screen doesn't mean it is not true. Like the girl's night at Christine's happened off screen but we do all believe it did happen. That is not a plothole. He has given the explanation in text as to what happened between Dylan and Aiden. Plothole will be a contradiction of an earlier established fact.
Again for Dylan I did see a mature side even in the last bikini event. Then he brought her breakfast too next day, day 18 and then day 19 he did that. There was a nice pace showing that there is more to Dylan's than just a pervert. And we haven't seen how the story follows from the last event at the park. So can't say that the future events won't manage this growth. Also the fight with the hobos is an act of impulse not sensibility, can't really say that such an impulse changes ones character entirely.
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You do have that option, if you're following that path, but did he go and beat them up when he said get off her or shut up to his teammates... No... And although I had this discussion before several postbacks, the difference between those incidents and that incident was the alcohol factor. Anyone who knows you typically leaves drunk people alone because they are impaired from the start and normally say stupid things. So you usually leave drunk people alone unless they start invading your personal space or are violent drunks; then it could escalate.
Or maybe he didn't out right attack his friends because they are his friends and just wants them to stop disrespecting his mom. It would also have made him into a bully if he started kicking the shit out of Sam because he fell over can't see Sophia taking that very well. Also the martial arts training could have given him a confidance boost. I don't want to beat a dead horse but were the hobos actually drunk? yes they had been drinking but when I played that scene they didn't come of as being drunk just assholes.
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I too am really excited to see what this morning bonus will entail.
The meeting with morello is stated as optional, that really dulls the expectations from this storyline.
Now unlike you I am interested in the 2nd job, not for what he is going to do in the scene but what direction will this route go. This is a very bold storyline in comparison to the others and if he included it I want to see what he will do with it.
I really wished he did like the 1st day or two or the Coach Sophia event to give a taste of what this story will be like. And then if production schedule gets hectic, move it to DLC. With his new schedule it shouldn't create a lot of pressure for him.
Sophia Sam I only see that this event will he more of a follow up on the events of this night. It can't be a big event since he just got one.
Sophia Dylan Marie Claire could be more about Marie Dylan.
Sophia Dylan I see as a small event.
The events with Ellie and Emma could be very small and the one with Sophia could actually be the grand event of the day. I think that's the best way to close off. Like having the big step event before and then another event with Dylan after that could actually be difficult for Sophia, since it is a big step it would make Sophia feel guilty too. So another event after the big step seems unlikely. The last event with Dylan I see as the big event
Edit :- Killjoys you forgot to mention the Aiden event and then so did I
. More than the task I am interested in knowing the solution this time
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Yeah i totally agree at least with this one event per release it shows that he's working on something if its monthly updates, i have nothing but respect for those devs who are releasing monthly updates i don't care that are 100, 200 or 300 renders at least give us something don't make us wait 6 months or more for an update that i play in a few hrs so hopefully he'll try monthly... at least that's how i see things.
That's Liam's bag they finally getting a divorce and Liam is moving out, let the debauchery of Sophia begin...
Dude no joke i think of that sometimes, what if all this game will be only erotic with no hard core porn, imagine lp beeing the biggest troll ending this game whitout seeing Sophia's coochie...
Maybe Andy has to travel and Liam (and Sophia) have to take care of Cathy. That camel toe can't be alone
I asked this question a while ago, not sure either whether it is a good strategy or not (production-wise). For sure, it's a well-known cognitive effect that breaking a big job like an entire update into smaller tasks often gives you a more sense of accomplishment because the "reward", even if smaller, comes earlier. And I'm not talking about us the readers/players, but for the developer: it could be a more satisfying and less boring and wearing way to work if you see the result of your work coming live quicker. It's a very general concept and it also depends on the person, some like this way better than the other. I don't think it's the (main) reason for this change but it's probably a factor to take into account as well.
Concerning the connectivity between events, yes you are right and it is a risk. On the other hand, I find kind of difficult to find past events that were somehow linked together, other than some few lines in the dialogue, often optional based on the choices of the previous event (e.g. in the last update Sophia thinking that it was the x-th time that somebody saw her breasts that day, with x different according previous choices).
We often said in the forum that, on the contrary, Sophia seems to "reset" after each event, which from a development point of view it's easier because you don't have to branch too much the dialogues and stories. But I see your point that this update strategy can exacerbate this particular feeling story-wise and in the development of the character.
My other concern, since I always keep an eye to the renpy script, is that this strategy could be difficult to manage when you have multiple events in parallel or optional. In the last update, Emma's event, the dressing and the task were kind of intertwined, some being mutually exclusive, some sharing some common script/renders etc. What I'm saying is that it could be more difficult to check for bugs and plothole if each event is treated separately but they are somehow related. I mean it's not a big big issue, but for sure it could be one of the drawbacks of switching to this strategy.
And of course I agree that it does not solve the original problem about the development cycle. It could have an impact for what I said above in that he could be more "engaged" with the production but it won't solve the whole problem.
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sure, those who follow a certain path may not see any new content even if they download the update; simply because the passed variables are not active
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Once again, that scene was designed for "The Twist" as we knew it to be a ruse. Because "The Twist" was the setup for the fake fight which was the cover story for the plan. If you were telling this story from a realistic point of view, as L&P based his novel to be "Realistic." just using the fight scene with No Twist, We would have known who that other student was and find out if he or she was being picked on or from the principal office scene as that would have been a question for Dylan and Zac. Also, She went to the police to report this incident. The police would have asked her who has involved and list all victims... Come on... Really???? These are all realistic steps. So yes, plotholes have been formed because of no background for the scene. Now, if "The Twist" remained intact, your argument could hold weight.
Again, What mature side of Dylan did you see there from the Bikini Event? You know he planned that when he said in the story, "I can't believe it really worked."
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Which was suppose to be a hint from... take a second and guess... "The Twist and the deal inside it which is part of the corruption scheme." If we went on the premise that that phrase now means something else after removing "The Twist," One would think he planned it? Because of what Sophia told him in the changing room at the mall. It would only be a one-time deal, and he would forfeit his alliance and maintain chores around the house.
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And at that point in the story, with all the perversion going on with Dylan, he wanted to see her naked again or close to it. So he came up with the Bikini Ideal and played along with it. So how in the hell did you see that as a mature side? He said many mature things during that scene, but that wasn't his end game for that scene. IMO, the maturity didn't start until this P.D. 12.
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I think that Aiden's 4 task is tied in with the bonus content and since the 4th task happens in the classroom so Zac could be also involved(indirectly).I too am really excited to see what this morning bonus will entail.
The meeting with morello is stated as optional, that really dulls the expectations from this storyline.
Now unlike you I am interested in the 2nd job, not for what he is going to do in the scene but what direction will this route go. This is a very bold storyline in comparison to the others and if he included it I want to see what he will do with it.
I really wished he did like the 1st day or two or the Coach Sophia event to give a taste of what this story will be like. And then if production schedule gets hectic, move it to DLC. With his new schedule it shouldn't create a lot of pressure for him.
Sophia Sam I only see that this event will he more of a follow up on the events of this night. It can't be a big event since he just got one.
Sophia Dylan Marie Claire could be more about Marie Dylan.
Sophia Dylan I see as a small event.
The events with Ellie and Emma could be very small and the one with Sophia could actually be the grand event of the day. I think that's the best way to close off. Like having the big step event before and then another event with Dylan after that could actually be difficult for Sophia, since it is a big step it would make Sophia feel guilty too. So another event after the big step seems unlikely. The last event with Dylan I see as the big event
Edit :- Killjoys you forgot to mention the Aiden event and then so did I
Since Aiden has given Sophia no instructions on what to wear besides the dress and no bra(so far) this task could be limited in scope.
Also about the 2nd side job. I don't really know what to think of it and cannot help think that L&P is having a laugh at us for the way that we look at it as it may not turn out as people expect.
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