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ancienregimele

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Why do people care so much for realism in an adult game?
Because it's rarely to be found. AWAM set out to be "realistic" in a way that many other games were not. Such games are OK & can be enjoyable but AWAM, at the start, was more of a Visual Novel than a game & this, plus the render quality, helped to differentiate it from the usual stuff around at the time. Part of this has been lost IMO, for various reasons. If it ever disappears altogether it would be a shame.

We often hear the cry, or rather the insistent shout, that 'it's just a porn game' but this is not strictly true. It's more like an erotic tale, told through the medium of 3D renders & this requires a higher level of realism.
 

Lukereds

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Because it's what's written on the box, at least from my point of view. If L&P didn't claim realism (and class) in AWAM I don't think people would care as much
realism is dead with last updates. I woman in prison who speaks with son's boss and show tits without anybody see her....it's quite unrealistic; a cleaning lady who plays 50 shades of grey with a woman; a wife who plays on the pool with daughter friend and touch the nipples....please...is it realistic? no!
 
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GingerSweetGirl

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Why do people care so much for realism in an adult game?
I can only speak for myself, but I think it's kinky to play a game with the right balance of realism and erotica. A game with just the right balance of sex and story does it for me. Like, I'm probably never going to have every guy I meet lusting after me and have opportunities to engage in all sorts of crazy fetishes. So a game that can do that without going over the line and turning into a simple sexcapade is right up my alley.
 

palmtrees89

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Yes but this means another thing: there's tons of bullshits too! too much before! so on next avarage graph he'll we be measuring with this one!
What's that even supposed to mean? How do you measure bullshit (whatever bullshit you're talking about) in time? Please enlighten us. I'd be really interested to see the math behind that.

The graph you're looking at is quite simple. It's giving you the estimated release date based on progress made since the start of development. That also includes days without any progress (regular days off), and it also includes the so called "festival of bullshit" days, which basically means days without progress resulting from a weird excuse on L&P's side, such as "the dog ate my harddrives" and the likes. If that's what you mean, it's already included in Talcum Powder's graphs.

realism is dead with last updates. I woman in prison who speaks with son's boss and show tits without anybody see her....it's quite unrealistic; a cleaning lady who plays 50 shades of grey with a woman; a wife who plays on the pool with daughter friend and touch the nipples....please...is it realistic? no!
What game are you even playing dude? Who is this "son's boss" in the prison you're referring to? Morello is the boss, Larry his brother. Larry is the one in prison. There is no boss in prison, and no son either.

Sam is not Ellie's friend, he is Dylan's friend. That's not the daughter, that's the son.

I get that there's a language barrier with your posts, but you are talking so much weird stuff that I have to ask you; What the hell are you smoking?
 

CSK92

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Well people have been nagging him about getting help. He did that. There is even the remote possibility that he might help with scene creation. Whatever he did, whether he did it now or after 3 months, additional work, contacting additional people will always take additional time.

People are unhappy about it now, they will be unhappy about it then. That is not going to change.
Not understanding this statement. Are you saying he is as bad as managing people as he is with his development. You believe the development is slower now due to others helping him. In which I'm not certain this happened on this update. It does take time to build chemistry with others to form a team, but it shouldn't be an issue if he has and gives clear direction. This is assuming he is working with someone who knows what they are doing or why he would hire this person at all.
 

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But the problem here is that he said he went to the event (1/4 day) base release to speed up the releases before he mentioned getting professionals to help, which now increases the release duration. This hasn't changed. Every time he said he is doing something to increase speed by changing the format, the release duration takes longer.

It all boils down to a lack of Project Management, Organization, and Communication Skills. If he wants to find ways to enhance his work, I don't have an issue with that, but he should learn first, then add it, and not try to add it in as he's learning it. This is the reason why he has the problems he has now. After four years, you think he would have known this concept.
Stubbornness! In my few conversations with him that was clearly evident. He is a talented artist. His attitude is his undoing! Not created here is his internal theme. If he does not come up with the idea it is unacceptable. Why he is currently interested in getting assistance is a curious question. I believe it is that he is recognizing his own burnout and that the story is getting too complex to keep track of himself. I am currently getting pessimistic and suspect this PD may not be finished at the current rate. 1 PD and a rate that is looking at up to 30 months. Yeah, not good!
 

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If it weren't for the "looming" reference that gives a "darker" feeling to the description (native speakers correct me if I'm wrong), my speculation would be Sophia eavesdropping or "spying" on Dylan and Emma (if you are in that path) who could be alone in the corridor setting up a possible date in the evening and maybe kissing again.

More generally, considering that the corridor seems to be empty, it could be placed during classes while Sophia has ended hers and she is walking around. And she found something happening in the corridor. Whether they are students or someone else it depends on the "looming": what could be possibly threatening Sophia? The facial expression is hard to decode.. :unsure:
She could have done something for the task in the corridor and now she is secretly observing the results while e.g. the students or someone find it out... :unsure:
She may be looking at students observing an Art Exhibit. Hmmmm!
 

GingerSweetGirl

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Stubbornness! In my few conversations with him that was clearly evident. He is a talented artist. His attitude is his undoing! Not created here is his internal theme. If he does not come up with the idea it is unacceptable. Why he is currently interested in getting assistance is a curious question. I believe it is that he is recognizing his own burnout and that the story is getting too complex to keep track of himself. I am currently getting pessimistic and suspect this PD may not be finished at the current rate. 1 PD and a rate that is looking at up to 30 months. Yeah, not good!
The hope is that he brought in the help before it's too late. Only time will tell if that's the case. But I think it's absolutely fair to imagine that he finally couldn't deny any longer that the scope of the project was beyond what he could accomplish alone. Bringing in other people was the right move, even if it causes delays in the short term. The question is; is he still committed to the game enough to do whatever it takes to make it work using a team-approach? When burnout sets it, it can sabotage even the most committed person, so hopefully L&P hasn't reached that point.
 

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Did I miss something?
Where did he mention that he got more help than just the Blender person?
And from the sounds of it the Blender person makes something extra for the game and won't help with the development speed.
 
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hzjujk

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I think the bonus scene might be Bennett having sex with a student.
That Sophia has observed or heard something here seems to me also. In my earlier post I wrote that it was nothing sexual, but it could just as well be that Sophia observed someone sexually harassing a student. Or, for example, overhearing a conversation between the principal and Aiden. I just don't believe in Bennett.
 

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Well, the teaser was intriguing but I won't speculate about it. There are so many possibilities, several of which have already been referred to. We're used to seeing Sophia's nipples looking like "chapel hat pegs" & through a blouse with no bra it's possible, even probable but there's no way they'd be visible through that kind of jacket, which also has the "boob pocket" thing going on. Are the renders becoming less realistic & the quality lower to tie in with the increase in time between updates? That's a real question.

Just thought I'd try a post to see what happens after a week of not commenting. As you can see, whether you like the content or not, it's definitely on topic. Now I wait to see if it gets deleted & what the reason might be this time, when & if it happens, 1,2,3....
The discussion here about the visibility of nipples under several layers of fabric serves in my opinion anyway only as a pretext. Some members only use it as a pretext to point out the mistakes and lies of L&P again and again. They find as much pleasure in this as they do in playing the game.
I, on the other hand, don't really care about such trifles, the story is important for me and the representation of the face in the respective situations, because the most realistic expression of a face for me transport the emotions that the character should feel. But, I find that, as so often in such games, a woman is over-sexualized by the visibility of the nipples. And that with a protagonist where this is not necessary at all, but rather looks ugly. It's like their criticism of Sophia's too big breasts.
 

ancienregimele

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But, I find that, as so often in such games, a woman is over-sexualized by the visibility of the nipples. And that with a protagonist where this is not necessary at all, but rather looks ugly. It's like their criticism of Sophia's too big breasts.
This is true. All I'm going to say is that I criticise (& in the past at some length), because of concern for the integrity of the game but also for aesthetic reasons.
 
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Stubbornness! In my few conversations with him that was clearly evident. He is a talented artist. His attitude is his undoing! Not created here is his internal theme. If he does not come up with the idea it is unacceptable. Why he is currently interested in getting assistance is a curious question. I believe it is that he is recognizing his own burnout and that the story is getting too complex to keep track of himself. I am currently getting pessimistic and suspect this PD may not be finished at the current rate. 1 PD and a rate that is looking at up to 30 months. Yeah, not good!
Much of what you say is true. I pulled away from AWAM some time ago, having been an existing patron, because of L&P's arrogant and uncompromising attitude toward a number of patrons. These were fee paying patrons who had been loyal, engaging and had offered articulate and intelligent contributions. It showed a level of contempt I found unacceptable. This I believe has changed to an extent for the better.
To balance this out I also believe one has to make certain allowances for artists who immerse themselves in creative processes. We don't like it, worse still do not understand it, but artists and writers can and do commonly behave like this. Sometimes it is beyond their free will, particularly if pressure is put on them to create and force deadlines to please others. Whether we like or appreciate this or not, an "artistic temperament" is not unusual and well documented. Unfortunately it's rarely understood or accepted by those outside this process.
I'm not making excuses for L&P. Indeed I voted out myself, but recognising L&P's undeniable talent I also knew I'd return to the fold, so here I am. And so, presumably is everyone who contributes to this forum.
In short, L&P is making a product that people want, and even with the frustration of unreliable deadlines people keep coming back. My instinctive feeling tells me L&P is trying to address these issues and more, but is continually thwarted by distractions of expanding story lines of his own doing, while trying to appease his patrons. In other words, during the increasing success of this game he's lost a sense of control. This could easily be resolved if he,
a) delegated out more, b) listened more to the concerns of his patrons, c) focussed AWAM more to its original script.
To understand an artist isn't easy and requires an enormous degree of patience. Try to change L&P's strive for perfection would be fruitless and counter-productive. None of us want to lose this great game, but to keep talking and sharing opinions, maintaining a level of understanding and hoping L&P will listen and respond is something we all can do.
 
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