ancienregimele

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Release date aside, the thing I am concerned about is how the new artist (I don't like the term "helper") is being projected here and in the previous communications. It seems to me the that the entire blame of late delivery is being put on the new teammate. It is not motivating for a person to get pinned even during closed discussions, let alone being implicated in the public.
I hope he/she is being well paid.
 

poseid0n

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I gotta question if the graphics and rendering take 85% of the time and they have been sitting at 85 to 90% for the last month how is the update not done yet
 

bayrischman

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:WaitWhat::WaitWhat::WaitWhat::WaitWhat: end of f'in' february, so he still needs 28 days to release this goddam update:FacePalm:, at least february has only 28 days this year haha i guess jokes on him:ROFLMAO:
whatmade sabertooth put me down as a troll because i said update the third week of februar now the developer will put it out at the end of february so probably not before mid- march
 

hzjujk

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Unfortunately only his supporters can put a pressure on him... honestly I don't know what is wrong with them to put up with this for years, and every time he promises improvement it gets worse...
I think the verbal pressure exerted by his supporters is already very great. And not only his supporters, but also here in the forum he constantly gets to hear criticism about his work speed and work organization. That he feels this pressure can be seen from some of his angry and inappropriate reactions here in this forum. I don't believe that his supporters could force him to work faster by not giving L&P money anymore. Let's assume I'm a lazy developer, or I've run out of ideas. But I have gotten used to the money. But now more and more supporters are leaving, the flow of money is decreasing. This will not change the attitude of the developer to his work. What will happen is that the developer tries with minimal effort to milk his FREE supporters with, for example, monthly teasers. In no case he will work faster again. Real power would get the supporters only if the contract terms would be changed. For example, that a backer could reclaim his money or a part of it if the developer does not deliver. But that would contradict the basic idea of this platform, which is to promote ideas that no one would support in the first place. On if it has now only degenerated into a business model.
 

darji

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hey man, if you're a 38.5 supporter of his, could you ask L&P why he puts the blame for the delay on his assistant?
assistant who has sought, chosen and hired for changes decided by him?
thank you
where does he this? Honestly some people.

He said it is not just because of me can mean a ton of stuff. Especially if you dont ignore the fact that he is swichting Render methods or Applications and had troouble with that. He never said it is because of a Person.
 
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PietruccioTheHilander

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where does he this? Honestly some people.

He said it is not just because of me can mean a ton of stuff. Especially if you dont ignore the fact that he is swichting Render methods or Applications and had troouble with that. He never said it is because of a Person.
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/page-4261#post-7432956
if I misunderstood, explain to me.
but other users have the same feeling as me.
I will try to ask L&P directly by mail
 

darji

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https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-150-lust-passion.5944/page-4261#post-7432956
if I misunderstood, explain to me.
but other users have the same feeling as me.
I will try to ask L&P directly by mail
AGain it can be trouble with tools and applications he is using now who knows. I also seen post where he said he found someone who helped him a lot also explaining and teaching stuff.

Also note that many people are only here to complain how long it takes. When an update is released they say 5 minutes of content and complain again until the next update.
 

ancienregimele

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I think the verbal pressure exerted by his supporters is already very great. And not only his supporters, but also here in the forum he constantly gets to hear criticism about his work speed and work organization. That he feels this pressure can be seen from some of his angry and inappropriate reactions here in this forum. I don't believe that his supporters could force him to work faster by not giving L&P money anymore. Let's assume I'm a lazy developer, or I've run out of ideas. But I have gotten used to the money. But now more and more supporters are leaving, the flow of money is decreasing. This will not change the attitude of the developer to his work. What will happen is that the developer tries with minimal effort to milk his FREE supporters with, for example, monthly teasers. In no case he will work faster again. Real power would get the supporters only if the contract terms would be changed. For example, that a backer could reclaim his money or a part of it if the developer does not deliver. But that would contradict the basic idea of this platform, which is to promote ideas that no one would support in the first place. On if it has now only degenerated into a business model.
It's maybe a couple of years since I discussed this with any seriousness on this thread & of course it was in relation to AWAM's production rate. I had a strange "snakes & ladders" working life but I did spend 15 years of it as a HR practitioner & should, in theory, be able to come up with ideas on how to replace a problematic model of working which is clearly no longer fit for purpose.

I keep coming back to the issues of patronage & creativity. IMO there needs to be a form of Payment By Results (PBR) but this should recognise that creativity is not the same as working on an assembly line, (which I've also done), so flexibility on all sides would be essential. This might encompass a movable deadline but ultimately there would have to be a cut-off point where either payment would cease, or refunds became due. There would also have to be a "no fault" clause to cover unforseen issues. Patrons as 'Commissioners of Creativity' would become straightforward customers. Flexibility issues would need to be covered in the contractual agreement. It's not simple & when I was working I mistrusted PBR, which like all systems, is open to abuse. There is nothing which cannot be solved, however, so that a mutually beneficial business model could result.

I've no doubt that the Dev is well aware of the pressure surrounding the pace of production but currently this is pressure without consequence & can safely be ignored, tolerated, or answered with a rant. There is only the prospect of patrons voting with their wallets to provide some type of (negatively oriented) incentive to deliver & there are various reasons why this does not happen to the extent that might be expected in the case of the "big games", like AWAM.

I doubt that there is a genuine prospect for change at the present time. What IS changing regularly is the production rate, which is beginning to grind to a halt. Project management skills are not that easy to find but sometimes I think L&P could have done with a manager....like a rock band!
 

AchedCroissant

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I have always seen that L&P and his best friend DPC release the chapters in the same month so if the short episode of the DPC game comes out in February as you can speculate after reading his last update on Patreon this game could also have the update in February
 
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