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Sabertooth__

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Sep 23, 2020
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My graphs are not bullshit at all, they are simply projecting the date he will comlpete 4x100% based on L&P's self-reported progress. They are not prejudicial one way or the other.

I don't track other games' progress or do render counts for any of them, but I'm fairly confident that 5.5 renders per day is piss-poor for a full-time dev.

The stuff happening behind the scenes would be worth considering if this was a one-off. Problem is, the last two updates were very straight forward in terms of production needs and his pace wasn't much better. The last update had about 800 renders if I recall, and he reported 2x100% after 130 days. That's averaging 6.1 renders per day. That is not exactly the mark of a pro.

Edit/Update: According to Sabertooth__ it was 873 renders in total, and he reached 2x100% after 106 days, so the overall average was 8.2 renders per day for creation and rendering.
Wait wait, how did you make it 106, firstly we included those 2 weeks in calculating the development time, that wasn't exempt. So please don't reduce the days just because I say it in this case. Also even if you are considering to reduce those 14 days, then 130 - 14 will be 116 not 106.

Just this much.
 
Jul 28, 2017
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Wow stock walking and talking animations must be hard. I Mean no one has managed to acheive that in any other game.

I can see why there would be a delay, I mean since January when this awesome thing was happening he's acheived 1 of 10 animations.........

What an utter joke.
 

GingerSweetGirl

Engaged Member
Aug 23, 2020
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Good lord, it's falling apart before our eyes.

Not only did he decide to add animations without doing any prep work before this update, but he decided to include not one, not two, not three, but ten animations. And now the animations are taking so long that he's thinking about releasing one as a teaser.

I'm sorry, but these are not the actions of person with any intention of finishing this game. I'm having a real hard time seeing this as anything other than a disingenuous attempt to advance the game. This isn't even a situation of diminishing returns anymore, this is outright negative returns. "Sabotage" may not be the correct word, but I don't think it's too far off. It's no longer an issue of him being disorganized, he's actively preventing the release of timely updates.

Where there's smoke there's fire, and right now there is smoke billowing from this game.
 

paula789

Member
May 2, 2017
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Good lord, it's falling apart before our eyes.

Not only did he decide to add animations without doing any prep work before this update, but he decided to include not one, not two, not three, but ten animations. And now the animations are taking so long that he's thinking about releasing one as a teaser.

I'm sorry, but these are not the actions of person with any intention of finishing this game. I'm having a real hard time seeing this as anything other than a disingenuous attempt to advance the game. This isn't even a situation of diminishing returns anymore, this is outright negative returns. "Sabotage" may not be the correct word, but I don't think it's too far off. It's no longer an issue of him being disorganized, he's actively preventing the release of timely updates.

Where there's smoke there's fire, and right now there is smoke billowing from this game.
Has the Dev thought about those animations just before the expected release date of the update? The progress bar was showing 100% completion in each segment?
 

Ivrol

Member
Sep 26, 2018
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When L&P said: The animation is done, I think he is referring to the motions of the animation is done, he has to re-render some pre- and post-animation images to match, this could take some time with how perfectionist he is L&P, and animation rendering could take 2-3 days + test.


Can someone confirm my interpretation of the L&P message? --> Will he only release the first animation without the game, and release the game when all 10 animations are complete?

If so, from March 1 the game will be released. March 1st is the date that Patreon charges.
 
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bluehound36

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Apr 27, 2017
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The way he speaks about his "helpers" makes me think that he isn't paying them anything for their contributions. I mean when he says that the first helper just left halfway through the first animation because another project was more "interesting". That just doesn't sit well with me. You don't just leave a project if you are getting paid for it. Yes you can quit it but everybody would then know you're a quitter. To me this all sounds like he got them, perhaps even from this very forum for free, and not from online listings where you can see their work and even reviews of their work. It sounds like he wanted to keep all the money for himself.
Maybe, maybe not. I just don't see why anyone would perform animation work without being paid for it though considering the time it generally takes to complete. Maybe he's not paying them all that much and they find someone else that's willing to pay them more. Could be any reason really. He definitely shouldn't be mentioning it on his patreon though, not to that degree anyway. At the most he should have just said he'd gone through several different people that didn't work out and left it at that. Would have been far more professional. I suppose we do have to remember that L&P is more than likely rather young if he was or still is in college when first starting this game. Youth rarely possesses the wisdom or experience of the old. He'll learn these things just like we all do eventually.

It's still the same blouse Sophia is wearing all the time. Sophia only enhances the breasts more.
So, you're telling me she can self inflate her air bags? Plastic Surgeons of the world are about to lose some customers if this secret gets out.

He always has been. There is nothing "badass" to resort to blackmail to get favor from a woman. Even worse not being able to do anything alone, without his uncle or gang friends help.
Bingo. You nailed it with this about his character. Guys like him in real life aren't badass, they're just faking it with false bravado, intimidation, and the illusion of power that comes from having a gang of friends and uncle that holds real power in regards to the law. (some of which looked more badass than he does).

Valid argument, but at the same time he does own a motorcycle and beat people up. I took his blackmail as him being "Ruthless / Cunning / Villainous" not so much being a little slime ball, but I can see how you take it that way.
Aiden is more of a manipulator so the cunning part definitely fits him. Ruthless? No, but he's definitely petulant if he doesn't get his way which is why he resorts to saying he'd go right back to beating up Dylan if Sophia doesn't agree to his "offer". That's intimidation he's using in the hopes she'll fall for it. Being smarter and just letting Dylan learn how to fight would be far better. Dylan beating the crap out of Aiden at some point in the story would humiliate him in front of his own gang and he'd ultimately lose their respect and their support because of something like that.

Someone like Don Morello could be referred to as ruthless considering he operates his own casino and quite likely other businesses in the city. It takes a certain degree of experience in that regard to achieve such success. If he really is a mafia Don (Boss), that'd make him even more ruthless considering what he likely did to get there. That is not someone you want to cross not even to a minor degree. Aiden is a pussycat in comparison to that.

Villainous? No. Aiden isn't anything remotely close to it. I'd say at the most he's arrogant and mainly because of who his uncle is and how easy it is for him to get out of trouble so long as it's nothing overly serious. Schoolyard fights might land him in detention or possibly expelled if he beat someone up too bad but isn't going to land him in jail. Manipulating a teacher into taking her clothes off or eventually having sex with him won't either cause he could just say she was the one that started everything and have his gang back him up. Students in the classroom would also corroborate that by saying how she wasn't wearing her underwear during class and giving them all a peep show. That'd land Sophia in trouble rather than Aiden. So, yeah, he's more of an arrogant manipulator than anything else. Obviously that's worked for him so far but with the options in game, if people make the right ones, he'll likely wind up with his ass getting beaten down by Dylan once he learns martial arts. His gang will lose respect for him over something like that and walk away from him as i already stated earlier in the post. I doubt most people give a shit about that though if they're playing on the filthy route. They want to see Aiden take advantage of Sophia in the end.
 

Gandhifire

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Jun 7, 2019
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I personally think this was unnecessary and quite likely a means to extend the development time longer. Maybe he wants to make his game more unique but now he has to waste time on getting a voice actress recorded and then adding those sounds into the game itself. I'm starting to get the impression he doesn't actually want to finish this game. Just stretch it out as long as possible to make as much money as possible before he ultimately decides to quit. I hope i'm wrong on that however and that development time speeds up before the end of this year.
For me, animations don't matter much. But it would be wrong to say that they don't give an impact.

But the voice makes a difference, atleast for me. It pleases to hear a chick enjoying her time.
 

kevin19997

Member
Aug 9, 2017
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its just a fkn joke at this point xD



being a dik is getting released at 4 march and this one does not even has a date yet. how can someone still defend this insane lack of information and communication? first we talked about releasing mid feb, then he brings up exuses and tells us the finished game (4/4 on 100%) gets delayed because of add ones. basically no one knows for sure what add ons he means and how long it really coud take, but the most people were thinking about a release around end of feb/beginn of march.

another week whent past of no informations about the game and now we get this update were he tells us that the "add on" will be animations and he did not even start the first one. so we can think of what? release end of march beginn of april? what is this bullshit.
 

wowaser

New Member
Jun 11, 2017
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Just release this Game with first animation. And add other 9 as extra part later.
This animations need sooo much time to develop and end of the day they are not that special.
Let teasing scenes be without animation. And animate Just sex scenes.

Boucing tits were nice, but waiting another month to see that kind of animation is not worth it.
 

wowaser

New Member
Jun 11, 2017
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its just a fkn joke at this point xD



being a dik is getting released at 4 march and this one does not even has a date yet. how can someone still defend this insane lack of information and communication? first we talked about releasing mid feb, then he brings up exuses and tells us the finished game (4/4 on 100%) gets delayed because of add ones. basically no one knows for sure what add ons he means and how long it really coud take, but the most people were thinking about a release around end of feb/beginn of march.

another week whent past of no informations about the game and now we get this update were he tells us that the "add on" will be animations and he did not even start the first one. so we can think of what? release end of march beginn of april? what is this bullshit.
The question is why anybody had to wait for 100% to get this kind of bad news.... 100% is 100% No metter what.
Nobody end a project by 100% and tell his boss its kind of 60% in real
 

naughtynafz

Creating "Aiden's Revenge"
Game Developer
Dec 2, 2019
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Ok the add-on is animations, but it doesn't make sense... as he said after the add-on implemented, the upcoming updates will be faster. But with the animations the upcoming updates will surely be slower no matter what. So ultimately his update cycle remains the same, no matter how little each update has contents.

May be in future he will say I will release one-tenth of a day in update, it will be faster, but then he will implement a new add-on by making videos with real porn stars. its a never ending cycle.
 

meduusa

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Nov 4, 2017
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It's never smart to postpone the update because of the animations quality. If they are ok enough but not perfect, just rework them later, now people are expecting a huge deal out of them cause L&P oversold them. Deliver more, gather more support, this is business 101.... omg this is frustrating.
 

kevin19997

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Aug 9, 2017
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Ok the add-on is animations, but it doesn't make sense... as he said after the add-on implemented, the upcoming updates will be faster. But with the animations the upcoming updates will surely be slower no matter what. So ultimately his update cycle remains the same, no matter how little each update has contents.

May be in future he will say I will release one-tenth of a day in update, it will be faster, but then he will implement a new add-on by making videos with real porn stars. its a never ending cycle.
he probably got a helper aswell
 

RUSSIAN MAFIA

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Feb 26, 2019
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Noooo, noooo.... You have to do all the animations! Not an option without them! And the voiceover Top! Sophia's moans! what could be better! Peace and goodness to all! :coffee::giggle:
 
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