VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[dubstepmj5]

I don't have Don Morello and Ellie+Dylan events in my game. How can I fix this??

 

[palmtrees89]

Mhmm i don't think so. I mean i know daz very well and there's no way you can do animations like that with daz studio. Its just impossible.

L&P has been learning how to use Blender for several months. He's asked for help on how to import his assets from DAZ to Blender on F95, and he's been taking live lessons on Twitch from an actual professional on how to create animations using Blender. And the few second long loops we've seen in this update are totally achievable for someone with L&P's experience in creating art. That's why the animations do look decent, but from a technical standpoint are really mediocre compared to actual professionals.

Well do you have a game in mind that has better animations? I wanna see them

To be clear i don't defend him. I just wanna see better animations in other games because i tried a lot

Check the AWAM off-topic thread. I did post animations made by actual pros a while ago. Much more fluid, MUCH longer than L&P's so claimed "minute long animations" which take "a professional months to make". Which isn't the case in this update as you probably know. And it also doesn't take a pro several months to create a minute long high quality animation either, but oh well.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Trying to put a positive outlook on things:
I don't think there would be any outrage or disappointment about this update if it had been released in late January/early February (with the Aiden/Jennifer/Andre scene being shown in still shots). It would demonstrate that he could actually churn out a decent amount of content in 10-12 weeks. But that's just not our man, is it...

Task 4: I expected very little and that's exactly what we got.

AJA Bonus scene: That was a rape. And fuck you if you suggest otherwise. That being said, I genuinely appreciated the set up. It makes Aiden an even darker character. He's not just a sleazy entitled teenager, he's genuinely fucked up. That he'd put up his girlfriend as collateral for a bet with a friend and just brush aside her protests and then threatens her younger brother is definitely sociopathic, demonstrating his capacity dehumanize. Jennifer said quite explicitly that she did not want a threesome but Aiden went ahead and disregarded that, too. Andre's narcisism and lack of empathy were on display as well, building nicely on his cheeky antics in the classroom and haughty aggression earlier in the hallway.

I think Sophia is in for a rough ride if she (we) stay with the tasks. No spoiler here: I will be staying with the tasks.

I had to console-cheat to get the Morello scene, regretted doing so: I just hate it on so many levels. I did retain the save cuz a game like this, might as well keep a few paths going. Who knows what that favor might be if it ever does materialize.

Not gonna lie, the Dylan + Ellie scenes were really sweet, a pretty solid slice-of-life vignette. One question though, unless I missed it, shouldn't Christine's sister have been in the car at the very end?

L&P committed to doing animations and while there's no doubt he over-hyped the quality, the animations were definitely high quality as far as these games go and considering it's his first serious attempt. Of course there are better animations, I'm not an L&P fanboy, but I think a lot of the comments about the animations being crappy (and worse) are a reaction to L&P's bragging and the fact that it added two full months (at least) to the development and that it's between third/fourth tier characters, and do not represent an honest appraisal of on what's actually appearing on screen. The dude is so full of himself and so full of shit ( does that make him actual shit? I dunno, debate for another day I guess ) I doubt anyone here really believed his bluster or put much stock in it. 8.5/10 in context. Compared to the wider world of erotic/sex animation, 6.5/10.

The one thing I will say about the animations: the learning curve he's been on is now a sunk cost. It shouldn't be such a massive drag on production time in the future, and I think L&P will recognize he's maybe getting on to thinner and thinner ice with the hardcore, long-term Patreon supporters. The next animations better involve Ellie's pussy getting licked by her mother or Sophia's pussy getting licked by, preferably Ellie or Alyssa but really, I'd take Sam or Zach, even Dylan, at this point, just definitely someone other than Liam.

Overall, and factoring in the "investment" in animations and its potential for future payoff, I'm going to give this update 7.5/10.

Yes, thank you, that was 100% rape. On one hand I like that we really hammered home that Aiden and Andre are pieces of shit and are actually dangerous, but on the other hand why can't we just have something be fun and sexy? Between this and the apostles, I really have to start looking at L&P with a lot of side eye.

Otherwise, I'm surprised about the overall positivity of your review. I agree that the animations were good, not great, but they just didn't justify the long development.

I found the reasoning for Christine's departure to be really weird and poorly conceived. I get it, he wanted Ellie to be left alone, but the whole set up just seemed pretty amateur. Ellie said that she should have known Tyler and the guys would be there since it's their place to hang out. Umm...I knew a lot of college guys and I never knew any that hung out at diners. Like, it just felt like L&P shoehorned two different ideas (Ellie/Christina/Dylan have a nice hang-out & Dylan rescues Ellie from harassment from Logan's friends) into one scene. Sometimes triage is good, and L&P is known for overdoing it and having too many scenes with too many renders, but this scene just kinda went off the rails for a minute.

Wish I had saved all of L&P's statements regarding his animations, but I guess most regulars in this thread know very well what had been said, so if anyone still believes that there's a professional animator creating these animations, I don't even know what to tell you. The animation's trailer we've seen weeks ago was better than these poor couple second loops that ended up in the game. Pretty clear to me that L&P was simply baiting people with the hype and his statements, making everyone think that we'd get to see those "minutes long", "best of the best" animations which "takes professionals several months to make". Animations which where supposed to put other developers out there to shame, but many of us saw it coming, so I'm not all that surprised.

When he released the trailer, people weren't exactly hyped about those animations, but who would have expected for L&P to use most of the animations created, melding them together and then come out with a trailer that's acting as straight up bait to keep the hype up? Anyone remember when L&P said the trailer would only be showing one animation with the lowest quality of them all? Kinda funny as the trailer consists of several animations and the quality didn't get any better, just a couple more few second long loops nobody would lose their shit about.

Remember when L&P came here and started shitting on other developers, saying how much better his animations are going to be? That he's got a professional, highly skilled artist creating animations on a much higher level, better than anything we've seen in other games? How other developers' animations would look amateurish in comparison? That those animations wouldn't just be a couple second long loops, but actual minutes of high quality content? And he didn't stop with these claims here on F95, he's also said the exact same things on his very own Patreon page, misleading everyone, Supporters and Pirates alike. He's literally lied about everything regarding his animations.

So now the results are very visible. We've got a lackluster update that should have been released months ago. L&P said the update wouldn't have worked without the animations, and that we'd see why after just a tiny bit more patience (which turned out to be months). I played through the entire update and I'm still failing to see how this is the case, like, at all. L&P could have literally added 2 or 3 renders as a placeholder for the Aiden/Andre/Jenn scene and release both updates months ago. Even his highest tier patrons asked why he can't release the updates, and he's simply lied to their faces.

Anyway. Besides the animation disaster, the actual update is extremely mediocre to me. I've actually had to force myself to play through it all the way which has never been the case for me before, I guess mostly thanks to the baseless effort from L&P hyping everything up for no reason with all his contradictive, cocky and arrogant statements. I'm personally not a fan of Aiden's character, but the only thing I was looking forward to was the 4th task as I find the naughty situations Sophia finds herself in quite entertaining, thinking that they would become hotter with every following task. But not so here, as the 4th task to me is simply a recycled and fluffed up version of previous ones, exception being the "Zac incident", which still was just slightly more than the infamous fabric touching in the end. The writing, as always, felt very inconsistent and at times even rushed, just like some of the scenes and transitions. I'm not going deeper into it so not to spoil anything for others, so I'll leave the following scenes out of my "review". But just for good measure; Nothing in this update was particularly mindblowing, but not completely terrible either. It's just pure mediocrity, which for a 5 month long wait is really disappointing, but also expected, unfortunately.

Also, the amount of re-used renders with only slightly different camera angles or positioning of hands, legs or whatever really makes me wonder if we can even consider this an update with ~520 renders, as in many conversations between the characters it looked like there was barely any difference at all, making me think that this can't take an experienced creator that long to make once the main scene is set up. Slightly move a body part, change a camera angle here, raise an eyebrow there. That's the impression I got in many renders, and some were actually completely reused with simply dialogue slapped onto them, making it seem like watching two plastic dolls having a conversation, with the camera going back and forth between the participants.

The 5 months were clearly spend on animations rather than the stills, which to me just confirms our theories of L&P not having anyone creating these animations. I've also checked the credits, just incase we would see a "Thank you XXX for creating the animations" or something along those lines, but obviously there's nothing. And after seeing these few second long loops, it's pretty clear why.

I give this update a 5/10 just because L&P's art is never a letdown. Could have been a much higher rating if he didn't waste all that time on animations, putting more work in the dialogue and more renders. But since that's not the case, everything else is just a huge disappointment.

I'm of two minds of Task 4. On one hand I thought it was the high point of the update, on the other hand it brings the game to a jumping the shark moment. I can't say that I thought it was recycled version of earlier tasks because that's kinda the point of progressing the tasks. Each task builds off the previous one so that the corruption feels more organic and believable. The mistake was upping the ante so much with Task 3, because we all should have known that we'd take a step back in Task 4.

But that said, the way Task 4 unfolded was jarring. Ok, so Sophia needs to flash the class her underwear; that's a task. Ok, Sophia needs to get a student to feel her boob; that's a task. But to do both in the same task? That's a lot. And then for Sophia to just stand in front of the class like that? That was something I'd expect from a regular porn game, not AWAM. Was it sexy? Yes. Was it stupid? Yes.

Her process to get Zach to grab her boob was pretty good though, I really don't have any complaints about that. But letting her boobs hang out freely? Like, guys...do you know anything about boobs? You don't just put those massive boobs back into place easily. Again, was it sexy? Yes. Was it stupid? Yes.

I feel like everything in the classroom was handled poorly. Conceptually I didn't hate the ideas, but the execution felt really clumsy.

 

[truerty]

i hope the next update Dylan/Amber don´t take 5 months!!!

He'll up that a notch. It'll be 6 months. You'll be hyped throughout the journey, and will be letdown at the end of it.

 

[truerty]

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I'm imagining a meme where i grab him by the collar and shook him with that question! All while maintaining a grumpy face.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

As I looked at her getting ready, at first glance I thought she'd put on a petticoat or slip, (...it's the lace that does it) & that the actual street garment(s) were to follow. Realism???

It's a very delicate looking outfit. I think it's a halter top with a pair of shorts with lace trim. I mean, it's cute, I like it, but it's a very odd choice for meeting Aiden. It's such an odd choice that I expect(ed) that it will mentioned. Like, you wouldn't wear that while meeting a rapist in his dingy hole in the wall homebase. In fact, you wouldn't be meeting a rapist in person at all.

 

[truerty]

What the hell was this update? Blue balls????? I didn’t even feel my balls this time. It was boring af. Idiotic story. And what a waste of animation. No sam and sophia scenes, dylan scenes were so timid and pathetic too. What a waste of time to download and save all those stupid patches and all. Total waste.

I really expected a huge update after the long development time. This is a disservice to all the fans and patreons. Hope he realises that. If not, this is not going to end well for him, seeing how very few people are impressed with his release on patreon. 16 likes, yikes!

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

yes i find this weird and awkward why do you need to look good to go see someone you hate to the core?

And if there's one thing this update did really well it was show us just how deeply Sophia hates Aiden. Like, there is not an ounce of respect or suppressed attraction, she just fucking hates him.

 

[hello4234]

I can't figure out how to play the Part 2 on Mac . Any help?

 

[truerty]

It's a very delicate looking outfit. I think it's a halter top with a pair of shorts with lace trim. I mean, it's cute, I like it, but it's a very odd choice for meeting Aiden. It's such an odd choice that I expect(ed) that it will mentioned. Like, you wouldn't wear that while meeting a rapist in his dingy hole in the wall homebase. In fact, you wouldn't be meeting a rapist in person at all.

"But she's got no other choice. She's gotta protect the children!"
- L&P

 

[ashitanojoe]

Many people now are mixing L&P's flaws, slow development according to the extension of the story and his rude manners, with his virtues: high quality art and good writing. They are completely bias and now criticize everything that L&P's does, seriously do you think that the animations are bad? He was correct when he said that they are special, you don't see that kind of animations frequently in this kind of games. These animations are clearly made by an specialist, with certain experience, L&P couldn't do that. When you write bad about the animations, you are not only insulting L&P, you are insulting the guy that was hired by him. And now his work, his art, do must be underestimated for the hate that you have against L&P?

 

[truerty]

do you think that the animations are bad?

As for me, I thought the animations were excellent. Especially when Andre released them puppies from its cage. That sound, and the way it bounced, god-fuckin-damn lol. This dude, whoever he is, a master in his art. These porn animations clearly have topped all the other games in the list.

Except Aiden's balls looked a bit weird if you guys noticed.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Many people now are mixing L&P's flaws, slow development according to the extension of the story and his rude manners, with his virtues: high quality art and good writing. They are completely bias and now criticize everything that L&P's does, seriously do you think that the animations are bad? He was correct when he said that they are special, you don't see that kind of animations frequently in this kind of games. These animations are clearly made by an specialist, with certain experience, L&P couldn't do that. When you write bad about the animations, you are not only insulting L&P, you are insulting the guy that was hired by him. And now his work, his art, do must be underestimated for the hate that you have against L&P?

I really don't know what to think. I did consider that, if there is an assistant, I'd hate to criticize their work so harshly just because of their association with L&P. Objectively I think the animations are fine, just simply not worth the delay. But in the context of L&P, there's absolutely no way to avoid the criticism.

But regarding if there is an assistant, I really don't know. I wouldn't put it past L&P to be a crazy person and throw himself into learning a new program and greatly improving his skills in a short amount of time. I mean, he seems like the anal type that will just throw himself into something. If there is an assistant, then why aren't they getting credit? Either they don't exist, or L&P has determined that they don't need to get public credit. If it's the latter I'd really like to hear an explanation.

 

[ashitanojoe]

I really don't know what to think. I did consider that, if there is an assistant, I'd hate to criticize their work so harshly just because of their association with L&P. Objectively I think the animations are fine, just simply not worth the delay. But in the context of L&P, there's absolutely no way to avoid the criticism.

But regarding if there is an assistant, I really don't know. I wouldn't put it past L&P to be a crazy person and throw himself into learning a new program and greatly improving his skills in a short amount of time. I mean, he seems like the anal type that will just throw himself into something. If there is an assistant, then why aren't they getting credit? Either they don't exist, or L&P has determined that they don't need to get public credit. If it's the latter I'd really like to hear an explanation.

There is another game that is making this kind of animations, Freshwomen, and they selected their newest animator out of 40 people, you don't make animations like that overnight. The difference is that Freshwomen is been made by 7 people. That's where we need to criticize L&P, his lack of team.

 

[rafa30]

5 months to render 500 images and 10 animations?
works 1 month and milks 4 months.

 

[palmtrees89]

Many people now are mixing L&P's flaws, slow development according to the extension of the story and his rude manners, with his virtues: high quality art and good writing. They are completely bias and now criticize everything that L&P's does, seriously do you think that the animations are bad? He was correct when he said that they are special, you don't see that kind of animations frequently in this kind of games. These animations are clearly made by an specialist, with certain experience, L&P couldn't do that. When you write bad about the animations, you are not only insulting L&P, you are insulting the guy that was hired by him. And now his work, his art, do must be underestimated for the hate that you have against L&P?

I will gladly apologize for some of my statements if we ever find out that L&P actually has hired someone to create animations for him. But where is this person? Not mentioned in the credits, not mentioned on Patreon, not mentioned on F95 and L&P entirely ignores questions regarding this person on F95 and Patreon. Guess why?

On top of that we get an update with much less renders in the same amount of time as the previous one, and now the so claimed "minutes long animations" turned out to be just a couple second loops each. You've seen the animation trailer, yes? You've seen and read all his statements, yes?

 

[Chucked_Sandwich]

I remember the good old days when a developer could do around 200 to 300 pics a month. I'll give L&P a small discount for quality of pics but still..... absolutely woeful output. if there is a helper doing the animations he could have spent his time better knocking over another scene of fleshing out the existing scenes. either way. excuses excuses.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

There is another game that is making this kind of animations, Freshwomen, and they selected their newest animator out of 40 people, you don't make animations like that overnight. The difference is that Freshwomen is been made by 7 people. That's where we need to criticize L&P, his lack of team.

Sure but that doesn't really address the point we're talking about. I think there's evidence on both sides of the argument, and I don't know where I come down on the issue. It does seem hard to believe that L&P is doing the animations himself because he had no experience a few months ago. But it also seems equally hard to believe that an assistant would come in and NOT be given credit for their work.

 

[ashitanojoe]

Thanks i'll check this out ^^

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[TheOneWithThePorn12]

I really expected a huge update after the long development time. This is a disservice to all the fans and patreons. Hope he realises that. If not, this is not going to end well for him, seeing how very few people are impressed with his release on patreon. 16 likes, yikes!

This has been standard for a while lol. When he changed the updates to be a third of a day to be faster, but then the updates still took the same amount of time i saw the writing on the wall lol.

The animations were unnecessary, the scenes were good, but again it looks like the L&P is striving for perfection, over getting things out on time. Its one thing if this took a month, but how long did we wait again?

I patreoned once, and i wont be doing again until the game is nearing completion. By that time, i might finally be able to buy a house in the GTA lol.