That is why I wrote it remains to be seen if L&P can do the same JUST for AWAM.
L&P and a second game? Heaven help, the heat death of the universe will be sooner.- Thread starter CobraSGT
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L&P and a second game? Heaven help, the heat death of the universe will be sooner.
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Greetings to you! A wonderful post.Hi!
Since a heatedly discussed topic which goes on throughout the development of AWAM is the development times, how fast or slow the progress of AWAM is.
I have some interesting new points. Oceanlab, the dev of "Where it all began" and "Summer´s gone", talked a bit about life as a single person game developer.
The important thing about his speech is this: In the beginning he underestimated how much impact even hobby development had on his life, how close to burnout he was and that he worked 12-14 hours daily on his 2 games but still had far less output to show than today.
He recognised that something had to change and that was a) his mindset and b) to start developing games the smart, efficient way. For one of his early chapters it took him 9 months to produce 1400 renders (of considerable quality, while inferior to his current pics even his old ones outshine many other games on site), the current youngest update released not long ago took 3(!) months for 1520 renders of even higher quality plus several animations! And he works on both games.
An interesting tidbit about that: These two chapters (old and new) were made on the same render PC, his hardware had not changed. But he will upgrade his render machine soon, because becoming efficient and effective lets Ocean create pics faster than his current PC can render! What an upswing from muddying through at first.
For comparison:
Old render (early development chapter)
And a new render (not the same person, just to show the quality jump)
It is obvious Oceanlab learned the right lessons. He got faster, he makes gorgegous renders and works on two games.
It remains to be seen if L&P can do the same just for AWAM. I doubt it, because L&P becomes only slower.
It is quite obvious that L&P faced many problems that he did not even suspect when starting work on the AWAM project, this is a fact.
Personally, I think that despite the fact that 5 years have already passed, he still has time to find solutions and techniques that will allow him to reduce the development time of the game.
The biggest and unsolvable problem, in my opinion, which also increases the development time of the game, is the burnout effect.
Despite the fact that L&P does not complain constantly and does not appeal to the public justifying delays by the burnout effect, I know that it faces this problem.
Of course, this is a very strong factor that affects different creators in completely different ways. But for me personally, this is a big problem.
Sometimes there is a plot in my head and a practically formed plan for writing a story, but once started, it is extremely difficult to finish the job. While writing, from time to time I take breaks in search of inspiration to continue writing.
Thank you!
I agree that after this long development time a burnout effect surely is in the background. And burnout, a not free head or writer´s block is nasty, I know that myself as a hobby writer. There are days where the ideas just flow onto paper, days were it goes ok and days where even the most relaxed feeling does not help at all. You have the ideas, but it does not want to get on paper the way it should, no matter what.
And here I think L&P must change tact if he wants to finish this game at all. He needs to get more effective, because this effectiveness helps fighting burnout, because your mind knows it will go nicely and not being a sluggish mud bath to grind out a render. Ocean was in a similar situation and he turned the momentum in his favour. His example shows that it can be done. We´ll see how L&P goes on.
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I'm talking about burnout precisely as an amateur writer, no more, and you're right, it can be very nasty. Unfortunately, for me personally, sometimes it takes too long to find inspiration to continue.
Yes, for us hobby writers it is ugly, but if the inspiration does not come back, we can shelf the project, for a time or forever. It won´t kill us or so as sad we might be. It is different for those creating for money.
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Also I don’t think it helps him to go back and rerender everything from the beginning of the game
(yes it looks brighter and sharper)
but it’s not needed
and then he’s probly going over and nitpicking some of his texts & changing that as well.
It’s too much, just go forward and not back to the past,
but he’s not alone,
sadly more and more devs are doing this remake or reboot which usually breaks their code and needs a fresh restart
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I absolutely agree.
Today it was comfortable for me to communicate with you, I am grateful for the constructive dialogue.
It's already morning for me, and I haven't gone to bed yet, so I have to say goodbye until the next time.
Have a nice day.
I consider L&P going back and rerender to be one of the biggest mistakes he made. He currently is simply not efficient enough to rerender now, it just stretches development out even more, bringing him closer to final inspiration burnout.
We can see the first rays of this already, because the last few updates are very average outside the renders and leave a cut off, jagged feeling, there is no story flow anymore. He must regain a certain flow and constantness in his storytelling, not only for us, but especially himself.
P.S. Why got my post above got deleted as off topic? It was certainly about AWAM and it´s ultraslow development and what can be done to turn around with the example of Oceanlab. That was certainly not o.t.!
I am grateful for the fruitful discussion as well. Good night!
Is there anything in the code yet that ties the Sam storyline to the proposed partner swapping with the young couple? ie if Sophia agrees to become Sam's Secret Girlfriend, she won't agree to the partner swap? If any two storylines could impact each other, it should be these two.
BTW, when is Liam's next appearance? Their next scene together, or shortly thereafter, should include a discussion about whether or not to swing with the young couple.
BTW, when is Liam's next appearance? Their next scene together, or shortly thereafter, should include a discussion about whether or not to swing with the young couple.
One possibility for a proper appearance of Liam is of course the visit of Sophia's parents.
It is important for Sophia to prove that she is also a good musician/cellist.
It is important for Sam to introduce himself as a future son-in-law.
We may learn something about Sophia's past and Patricia's obsession with her sister.
Maybe Sophia's mother realizes that Sophia and Sam have something more in common than a teacher/student relationship. And she approaches Sophia about it. To which Sophia, out of embarrassment/apology and distraction, tells her that Liam suggested a swinger's night or a more open marriage.
To Sophia's surprise, her mother says that she and Sophia's father have been in this kind of relationship for a long time.
This ultimately triggers her to talk to Liam in bed that night and suggest a second evening with Cathy and Andrew - "Let's see where this goes!
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Let's not forget that after another 5 years a lot of the renders again will look bad.Then what?
He will again remake?
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There could of been more but no thanks to bum ass Leah
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Same thing happened to me. Nothing appears after the kids class. And i chose Sam and hidden him from Liam in the Jacuzzi, also, don´t know if relevant, but i chose Patricia´s and still waiting for the horse riding.
Don´t know what to do to trigger the scene
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As I've mentioned before, if we ever get to the point where Sophia starts having hetero sex in the Filthy route and she ends up pregnant, she sure has some explaining to do if (as it seems is required) she hasn't had sex with Liam.
The partner-swap with Cathy and Andy could actually give Sophia a cover if her infidelity comes to light.
One of the things I'm liking about the lesbian route going forward is precisely that it no longer requires abstinence from Liam. It is and continues to be harmless fun, and different from her commitment to Liam.
We have years of speculation ahead of us.
The not having sex with Liam is important to remember....
I'm new to this game, but so far, I like it. Any idea on when the next update will roll out? Or after how many days was this update rolled out? Waiting eagerly for the Sam path...
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I am a kind of new player too. I played v.0150 and v.0170 in October continuously. In 2~3 weeks later, v.0175 was released. As I read the feeds here I am a lucky as you are. I guess we need to wait 2~3 month for the next update and also may need to wait a couple of year for updating Sam's event.