Dr.SigmundFap

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Ok, agreed.
Whatever was to follow will now not happen, but there must be/is (?) an alternative to loop the story back to the same end point.

Was the twist removed because of too many paths or that people/Patrons didn't like the route?
Dylan fans reacted to it in a negative way because it made Dylan look like the mastermind of evil for what he did.
 

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(Not regarding whether or not the story making sense)

I don’t mind the removal of the twist considering I find the “atmosphere” we have now more enjoyable than what would be there if The Twist was a thing.
 

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Ok, agreed.
Whatever was to follow will now not happen, but there must be/is (?) an alternative to loop the story back to the same end point.

Was the twist removed because of too many paths or that people/Patrons didn't like the route?
No, I don't think that's quite right. At least as far as I remember. Dylan's fans have wondered how this beginning could have developed into any relationship between Sophia and Dylan that was built on anything more than a jerk betraying his own mother and then actually profiting from it. By benefit, I mean more than the cuckold route. Because that would have been the only route Dylan deserved and the only one that could have worked.
Here again L&P stumbled over its claim to write a "realistic" story. Whether you're a fan of Dylan or not, no one could have imagined that at the end of the blackmail route Sophia would feel more for her son than contempt or that there would be a broken Sophia who doesn't care who fucks her. Even the son who had betrayed her and sold her out for his idea of a sexy mother.
That he preferred the publication of this betrayal shows that he was aware of the consequences but had no solution for it. And from L&P helpless post "That all this would not matter in the end" it was obvious that he had no solution for this contradiction.
And that Sophia would go the way with Aiden alone was quickly made clear by L&P. That means the betrayal of Dylan was simply a dramaturgical tool to move the story forward, to give it a new route. A resolution was never, I think, planned.
Dylan was not the mastermind of evil, L&P was, he gave the story a twist whose resolution no one could have imagined. And L&P was and is not willing to talk about it, so we can only speculate.
 

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The twist was to use the foundation for Dylan to end up with Sophia eventually. He was the mastermind of the plan. If you read the twist, Dylan was the one that started the chain reaction with the twist before its removal. The remainder of the story doesn't make sense if you play all the paths associated with it.

So the removal does change the format of the story. I would advise you to read some of the comments from the Sophia/Alyssa story in the coffee shop. Also, Look how Dylan went from a horny teenager to starting to act mature during the jogging scene in a flip of the switch.
What doesn't make sense? If you accept Aiden's tasks, he's the instigator of the tasks. It's a separate storyline - different things will happen.

Like how the dishwasher isn't broken if you send Dylan to boarding school. We don't have scenes with Sophia or Ellie having to wash things by hand.
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Here again L&P stumbled over its claim to write a "realistic" story. Whether you're a fan of Dylan or not, no one could have imagined that at the end of the blackmail route Sophia would feel more for her son than contempt or that there would be a broken Sophia who doesn't care who fucks her. Even the son who had betrayed her and sold her out for his idea of a sexy mother.
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Really? Because I've been saying similar since around Task #2 - that the entire point of Aiden's tasks being a requirement for the Dylan route is that the only way Dylan has a chance is to be so broken that Sophia doesn't care anymore.
 

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What doesn't make sense? If you accept Aiden's tasks, he's the instigator of the tasks. It's a separate storyline - different things will happen.

Like how the dishwasher isn't broken if you send Dylan to boarding school. We don't have scenes with Sophia or Ellie having to wash things by hand.

Really? Because I've been saying similar since around Task #2 - that the entire point of Aiden's tasks being a requirement for the Dylan route is that the only way Dylan has a chance is to be so broken that Sophia doesn't care anymore.
Yes, others can also think. No one has a monopoly on a brain. I do not understand why they react pissed off because I write that of which I already knew that you share this opinion.
This has been my opinion since I learned about this turn of events. Even if you have not read my posts about it or can not remember it.
 
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Dr.SigmundFap

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What doesn't make sense? If you accept Aiden's tasks, he's the instigator of the tasks. It's a separate storyline - different things will happen.

Like how the dishwasher isn't broken if you send Dylan to boarding school. We don't have scenes with Sophia or Ellie having to wash things by hand.
Read the scene between Sophia and Alyssa in the coffee shop about being bullied. But you must play the scene between Sophia/Alyssa in the coffee shop. Also, read the Sophia/Dylan scene in the bedroom change scene. Another hint applied to the twist that doesn't make sense with its removal.

Also, keep in mind he puts hints in the story in other paths that gives some background details. For example, The reader may not know that Sophia is sexually frustrated unless you play the club scene and read the text between Sophia and Patricia when Ellie leaves. Or before its removal, The twist played out in the background unless you sent Dylan to boarding school. It's not about different things happening; it's how the story comes together by selecting another path. That is why L&P wanted you to choose other paths to see how the story comes together.

Really? Because I've been saying similar since around Task #2 - that the entire point of Aiden's tasks being a requirement for the Dylan route is that the only way Dylan has a chance is to be so broken that Sophia doesn't care anymore.
This is my point about playing the novel unchained for her to be corrupted because all the scenes would depend on each other to advance her corruption. Suppose you were to play Sophia/Dylan's route only. In that case, there is no way, after three tasks, she would even be remotely corrupted to advance her scenes with Dylan, considering the levels of those tasks, as Aiden would be the primary source of her corruption. So I believe all the scenes are dependent on each other. For example, regarding the museum guys in the next PD, how far do you think she will go with them since they only met with their scene two PDs weeks ago?

If Sophia and Patricia give the museum guys an HJ, BJ, or something else, Sophia would have to depend on other scenes to prove that corruption makes her go that far. Limiting that corruption to one path makes it hard to see how that scene would play out without a flip of the switch if you consider that she was a devoted housewife.
 
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so essentially it's a short resolution of the previous event, then off to the hairdressers for an event if you selected Dylan's POV?

Figure the resolution is Julia prob just leaving without saying anything, and then it comes up at a later day.
 

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Read the scene between Sophia and Alyssa in the coffee shop about being bullied. But you must play the scene between Sophia/Alyssa in the coffee shop. Also, read the Sophia/Dylan scene in the bedroom change scene. Another hint applied to the twist that doesn't make sense with its removal.

Also, keep in mind he puts hints in the story in other paths that gives some background details. For example, The reader may not know that Sophia is sexually frustrated unless you play the club scene and read the text between Sophia and Patricia when Ellie leaves. Or before its removal, The twist played out in the background unless you sent Dylan to boarding school. It's not about different things happening; it's how the story comes together by selecting another path. That is why L&P wanted you to choose other paths to see how the story comes together.



This is my point about playing the novel unchained for her to be corrupted because all the scenes would depend on each other to advance her corruption. Suppose you were to play Sophia/Dylan's route only. In that case, there is no way, after three tasks, she would even be remotely corrupted to advance her scenes with Dylan, considering the levels of those tasks, as Aiden would be the primary source of her corruption. So I believe all the scenes are dependent on each other. For example, regarding the museum guys in the next PD, how far do you think she will go with them since they only met with their scene two PDs weeks ago?

If Sophia and Patricia give the museum guys an HJ, BJ, or something else, Sophia would have to depend on other scenes to prove that corruption makes her go that far. Limiting that corruption to one path makes it hard to see how that scene would play out without a flip of the switch if you consider that she was a devoted housewife.
Can you be specific as to what hints you're referring to? Spoiler it if necessary, but I'm pretty sure I'm missing whatever it is you're objecting to.

As to the museum event, I don't believe we've heard anything to suggest anything sexual will happen with Jason or Haru and Sophia. One, it's before PD15 when those are meant to start. Two, Jason and Haru aren't in the poll. IIRC L&P forgot to put them in because they weren't going to have any significant scenes. So no flipping of switches necessary because the event is probably going to be boring. L&P seems to be putting far more effort into the Dylan route.

But then the whole point of the Ellie and Patricia routes at the moment is that "it's just us girls", so is harmless fun. If Liam were to find out he might be confused and upset, but could get over it. You don't need anywhere near the Filthy points required for the Ellie or Patricia routes as you do to complete Aiden's tasks. I get away with about 20 (I think). All that I suspect might happen is Liam being more assertive in going for the swinging event with Cathy and Andy, or a possible threesome with Nat.
 

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I updated my corruption tracker

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Is it even worth tracking Tyler, Bennett, Neil and Jason & Haru? While they may have had some progress to date, their chances of making any progress any time soon are slim-to-none. Same can be said of the Subway thugs and the movers, who I believe aren't due to reappear until the endgame (so around PD29-30) which may be 30 years or so away.

Perhaps grey them out until we hear something otherwise.
 

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It only feels like that because it's taking so long between events. Dylan has too many branches, and the events in these branches are getting bigger and bigger. We're not even up to the first Sophia/Dylan event of the day.
agree. Dylan should just focus on his mom and leave room for lesbian route
 

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agree. Dylan should just focus on his mom and leave room for lesbian route
It's going to get worse when the Ellie route branches into three on PD16, and there are days where she only gets two events in a day. PD18 she doesn't even get any.

As yet haven't heard any interest in the Ellie/Sam storyline, so that could probably be removed. Just keep the slut branch and the Jules branch.

But then with your logic, Jules being used as the gateway, the slut branch could also be dispensed with, since Jules is the one Ellie is using to get what she wants.

Does anyone know if there are any branches planned for the Sam route?
 

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Read the scene between Sophia and Alyssa in the coffee shop about being bullied. But you must play the scene between Sophia/Alyssa in the coffee shop. Also, read the Sophia/Dylan scene in the bedroom change scene. Another hint applied to the twist that doesn't make sense with its removal.

Also, keep in mind he puts hints in the story in other paths that gives some background details. For example, The reader may not know that Sophia is sexually frustrated unless you play the club scene and read the text between Sophia and Patricia when Ellie leaves. Or before its removal, The twist played out in the background unless you sent Dylan to boarding school. It's not about different things happening; it's how the story comes together by selecting another path. That is why L&P wanted you to choose other paths to see how the story comes together.



This is my point about playing the novel unchained for her to be corrupted because all the scenes would depend on each other to advance her corruption. Suppose you were to play Sophia/Dylan's route only. In that case, there is no way, after three tasks, she would even be remotely corrupted to advance her scenes with Dylan, considering the levels of those tasks, as Aiden would be the primary source of her corruption. So I believe all the scenes are dependent on each other. For example, regarding the museum guys in the next PD, how far do you think she will go with them since they only met with their scene two PDs weeks ago?

If Sophia and Patricia give the museum guys an HJ, BJ, or something else, Sophia would have to depend on other scenes to prove that corruption makes her go that far. Limiting that corruption to one path makes it hard to see how that scene would play out without a flip of the switch if you consider that she was a devoted housewife.
Can you be specific as to what hints you're referring to? Spoiler it if necessary, but I'm pretty sure I'm missing whatever it is you're objecting to.

As to the museum event, I don't believe we've heard anything to suggest anything sexual will happen with Jason or Haru and Sophia. One, it's before PD15 when those are meant to start. Two, Jason and Haru aren't in the poll. IIRC L&P forgot to put them in because they weren't going to have any significant scenes. So no flipping of switches necessary because the event is probably going to be boring. L&P seems to be putting far more effort into the Dylan route.

But then the whole point of the Ellie and Patricia routes at the moment is that "it's just us girls", so is harmless fun. If Liam were to find out he might be confused and upset, but could get over it. You don't need anywhere near the Filthy points required for the Ellie or Patricia routes as you do to complete Aiden's tasks. I get away with about 20 (I think). All that I suspect might happen is Liam being more assertive in going for the swinging event with Cathy and Andy, or a possible threesome with Nat.
So a request for clarification on your point has resulted in ... crickets?
 

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Why Ellie sucks as a character?

This is a genuine question. Please answer this in reply and I will club all the points in a single post. I would also give out my arguments in the case.
She is popular character so obviously she is seen differently by some others, but to me she is a stupid bitch. Whoever wants to argue against it is also welcome.
 
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