CSK92

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Thanks! I thank you for treating me respectfully in this post.
In my firm conviction, no matter how deep and polar, there would be no disagreements among people, the most important thing is not to lose respect for each other.
Now to the essence of your question.
Of course, I, like any of the participants of this forum, also dislike a lot about the work of L&P. I have complaints about the quality of his writing and plot, I am not happy with his organization of work, the lack of a team, the fact that all this eventually leads to such a slow creation of AWAM.
Separately, I will note his other problem, his inability to communicate with fans on the forum and even with patrons on Patreon and SS.
But, first of all, I don't see any practical sense in merging into a general chorus of indignation against L&P, here on the forum. Since my indignation will not change the situation in any way.
Trying to influence the situation, I wrote personal messages to L&P.
His answers did not always suit me, but here I turn to the second part of the answer to you, I began to understand him better.
Because I have managed a number of projects myself, although in a slightly different field, but it is very easy to draw an analogy. Since I also tried to write, long before I got acquainted with AWAM, I understand the problems of a creative nature that L&P has to face.
All these factors together allow me to understand that L&P is not a liar and a scammer. At the initial stage of work on the creation of AWAM, he openly shared his plans with the public. But having no experience of such work, AWAM is his first project, failing to cope with the plans set before him, he received a wave of insults and accusations.
I understand that it seems to any of the critics of L&P that if L&P follows his advice and does as the critic advises him, then everything will immediately change for the better.
But I also understand that it's not easy and I see how L&P is taking some steps to improve its labor organization.

Honestly, let's impartially try to consider with you only one example from the last.
You probably remember how much outrage and insults were directed at L&P when earlier all four counters were at 100%, but the update did not come out. L&P said that it still needed to run tests and check that everything worked correctly. But who paid attention to his words? Everyone just insulted him.
Now, when he added a verification and testing counter, as well as an animation creation counter, he was attacked and insulted again. It's a fact!

It turns out that we now have such a situation that L&P does not do, it will always be subjected to harassment. Therefore, he went into a deaf defense and tries to make as few promises as possible and not talk about plans for the future.

But I am sure that if L&P can avoid a creative crisis, can cope with the burnout effect that he is not used to, then his experience of more than five years of work on the creation of AWAM will help him organize and improve his work. According to my estimates, he has 2-3 years left for this. If he fails during this time, probably this project will simply close unfinished.

I'm sorry, I tried to be brief and didn't say much, but it turned out to be cumbersome.
Agree on some of your posts, disagree on most others. The biggest one is agreed that there is not much life left in this game. I give it less than two years, but most likely it will go the way of Gumdrop or ISATOR. I defended him myself up to 2020 that he wasn't a milker and at that time I don't believe he was. Now, I totally think he is. The BS about his update board. Well pretty much no one trusts him. That's on him. This should be my last post on this game for awhile. It was once the best game comment board on this site, but as most of his loyal followers have turned on him and left. This thread has gone pretty much the way of the game. To bad for such waste of great vn.

Peace Out
 

Bane71

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Apr 21, 2020
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Agree on some of your posts, disagree on most others. The biggest one is agreed that there is not much life left in this game. I give it less than two years, but most likely it will go the way of Gumdrop or ISATOR. I defended him myself up to 2020 that he wasn't a milker and at that time I don't believe he was. Now, I totally think he is. The BS about his update board. Well pretty much no one trusts him. That's on him. This should be my last post on this game for awhile. It was once the best game comment board on this site, but as most of his loyal followers have turned on him and left. This thread has gone pretty much the way of the game. To bad for such waste of great vn.

Peace Out
I hear you, CSK92.
 

ancienregimele

Well-Known Member
Sep 27, 2017
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Thanks! I thank you for treating me respectfully in this post.
In my firm conviction, no matter how deep and polar, there would be no disagreements among people, the most important thing is not to lose respect for each other.
Now to the essence of your question.
Of course, I, like any of the participants of this forum, also dislike a lot about the work of L&P. I have complaints about the quality of his writing and plot, I am not happy with his organization of work, the lack of a team, the fact that all this eventually leads to such a slow creation of AWAM.
Separately, I will note his other problem, his inability to communicate with fans on the forum and even with patrons on Patreon and SS.
But, first of all, I don't see any practical sense in merging into a general chorus of indignation against L&P, here on the forum. Since my indignation will not change the situation in any way.
Trying to influence the situation, I wrote personal messages to L&P.
His answers did not always suit me, but here I turn to the second part of the answer to you, I began to understand him better.
Because I have managed a number of projects myself, although in a slightly different field, but it is very easy to draw an analogy. Since I also tried to write, long before I got acquainted with AWAM, I understand the problems of a creative nature that L&P has to face.
All these factors together allow me to understand that L&P is not a liar and a scammer. At the initial stage of work on the creation of AWAM, he openly shared his plans with the public. But having no experience of such work, AWAM is his first project, failing to cope with the plans set before him, he received a wave of insults and accusations.
I understand that it seems to any of the critics of L&P that if L&P follows his advice and does as the critic advises him, then everything will immediately change for the better.
But I also understand that it's not easy and I see how L&P is taking some steps to improve its labor organization.

Honestly, let's impartially try to consider with you only one example from the last.
You probably remember how much outrage and insults were directed at L&P when earlier all four counters were at 100%, but the update did not come out. L&P said that it still needed to run tests and check that everything worked correctly. But who paid attention to his words? Everyone just insulted him.
Now, when he added a verification and testing counter, as well as an animation creation counter, he was attacked and insulted again. It's a fact!

It turns out that we now have such a situation that L&P does not do, it will always be subjected to harassment. Therefore, he went into a deaf defense and tries to make as few promises as possible and not talk about plans for the future.

But I am sure that if L&P can avoid a creative crisis, can cope with the burnout effect that he is not used to, then his experience of more than five years of work on the creation of AWAM will help him organize and improve his work. According to my estimates, he has 2-3 years left for this. If he fails during this time, probably this project will simply close unfinished.

I'm sorry, I tried to be brief and didn't say much, but it turned out to be cumbersome.
I agree with much of what you say but the fact remains that it's the Dev's decisions & no-one else's that have led to the situations described. I take no pleasure in finding it ironic that the most hysterical criticism & rampant abuse seems to come from the very audience that he has chosen to primarily cater for. I wanted AWAM to succeed, it was my favourite VN but a majority of fans now surely see that without radical change this is highly unlikely.

No-one in their right minds can expect to get exactly the game that they want & most people with even a basic experience of life accept that there will be problems at times but continuously slowing down, while promising to speed up & doing this several times, has led to cynicism amongst those who've followed this for a while, not to forget the introduction of some highly dubious story telling.

If AWAM were to disappear, it would undoubtedly be missed but the false claims, slow development, (& in my case, the shota), certainly wouldn't.
 

Bane71

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Apr 21, 2020
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I agree with much of what you say but the fact remains that it's the Dev's decisions & no-one else's that have led to the situations described. I take no pleasure in finding it ironic that the most hysterical criticism & rampant abuse seems to come from the very audience that he has chosen to primarily cater for. I wanted AWAM to succeed, it was my favourite VN but a majority of fans now surely see that without radical change this is highly unlikely.

No-one in their right minds can expect to get exactly the game that they want & most people with even a basic experience of life accept that there will be problems at times but continuously slowing down, while promising to speed up & doing this several times, has led to cynicism amongst those who've followed this for a while, not to forget the introduction of some highly dubious story telling.

If AWAM were to disappear, it would undoubtedly be missed but the false claims, slow development, (& in my case, the shota), certainly wouldn't.
I understand you. But agree, if there were less anger, accusations and insults on the forum here, it would be much better and more interesting. Sometimes it is very interesting to read comments, someone's statements or jokes.
In fact, a lot depends on us, we all together create the climate that is present here, and not just L&P.
It seems to me that despite the fact that we do not directly influence the creation of AWAM, we are able to have some positive effect. To do this, it is necessary to reduce the degree of negativity here and it is likely that we will see a pleasant response from L&P.
 

rAmSiMaL

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Sep 1, 2022
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For those not on the Dylan route, will it be possibly for Liam not to cancel?
I can confirm that if you follow the GW route then Liam & Sophia will have a romantic dinner together followed by sex at home. I don't know if it will be plain vanilla or there will be some good hot scene though...
 
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Alley_Cat

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Jul 20, 2019
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I can confirm that if you follow the GW route then Liam & Sophia will have a romantic dinner together followed by sex at home. I don't know if it will be plain vanilla or there will be some good hot scene though...
What if you don't follow the GW route? I play the Ellie and Patricia routes, so still Filthy. Not particularly interested in the sex scene after, but mildly curious if it will still fit in with the Filthy routes, since the Ellie route seems to no longer require Sophia and Liam to not be having sex.
 
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rAmSiMaL

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Sep 1, 2022
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What if you don't follow the GW route? I play the Ellie and Patricia routes, so still Filthy. Not particularly interested in the sex scene after, but mildly curious if it will still fit in with the Filthy routes, since the Ellie route seems to no longer require Sophia and Liam to not be having sex.
In the filthy route the next two releases are exclusively focused on Dylan's progression. There is Dylan/Ellie/Christine afterwards where the Parker siblings go to Christine's party but this is not expected to be released before mid November...
 

Alley_Cat

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Jul 20, 2019
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In the filthy route the next two releases are exclusively focused on Dylan's progression. There is Dylan/Ellie/Christine afterwards where the Parker siblings go to Christine's party but this is not expected to be released before mid November...
Christine's party is also focused on Dylan's progression. The bonus storyline itself is - you don't need to be playing the Ellie route at all. Considering that everything we learn during the route about Ellie's dating and sexual preferences, coupled with her having an event first thing the next morning (isn't Christine's party a sleepover?), makes me think that the bonus storyline will be mutually exclusive to the Ellie route.
 
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Hello. In the game, a black screen occurs periodically when changing pictures. Very annoying while SKIPing. In others games, this is not, or rather, most normal ones are not. Thank you
 

abram1

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May 24, 2020
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Agree on some of your posts, disagree on most others. The biggest one is agreed that there is not much life left in this game. I give it less than two years, but most likely it will go the way of Gumdrop or ISATOR. I defended him myself up to 2020 that he wasn't a milker and at that time I don't believe he was. Now, I totally think he is. The BS about his update board. Well pretty much no one trusts him. That's on him. This should be my last post on this game for awhile. It was once the best game comment board on this site, but as most of his loyal followers have turned on him and left. This thread has gone pretty much the way of the game. To bad for such waste of great vn.

Peace Out
Sorry to intrude into you lovely chit-chat with Bane71, as your personal attitude towards L&P and juxtaposition with those 2 gentlemen is quite amusing. I vividly remember folks from here, predicting two years ago that 2022 gonna be a "make or break" year for AWAM. We're in 2023. What happened to them, where are they? Still lurking here time to time as this VN keeps on going. It's not about your or mine desires, but about willingness of others to provide L&P with their financial support. And that number only became bigger in the past 2 years.

When you say "pretty much no one trusts him" and "most of his loyal followers have turned on him and left", dude, I hope you're not serious. Taking into account 20-30, tops, most vociferous people on a pirate forum, is a mere statistical error compared to the overall number of subscribers. We're in a bubble of a sort in here. Let's assume 100 dudes on a more or less frequent basis participate in this thread. Some of them are patrons, happy or not with all that surrounds AWAM. The cumulative impact of this thread on L&P is close to none. We may whine, beg, have mental breakdowns over this VN here - it doesn't matter. He barely listens to his donors, why would he listen to CSK92's opinion, for him you don't exist, as do I. Time to take off pink glasses.

L&P only changes his attitude, if the number of subscribers drops below some critical level for him. Then he either starts taking measures to save ship by reducing the amount of images/lowering quality/chopping off some storylines or abandoning AWAM. Otherwise it all goes as it is. Maybe he'll manage to speed it up a bit with simultaneous rendering/working on animations, in general it won't make a huge difference. With 400+ renders it's impossible to stick to a 1.5 month update rate. It's a lifetime project, hopefully his patrons have deep pockets to support him in the span of the next 20+ years.
 

Bibifoc

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Apr 7, 2018
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Hello. In the game, a black screen occurs periodically when changing pictures. Very annoying while SKIPing. In others games, this is not, or rather, most normal ones are not. Thank you
What do you talk about? Can you give a precise example? I guess you talk about Part 1?
 

rAmSiMaL

Active Member
Sep 1, 2022
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Christine's party is also focused on Dylan's progression. The bonus storyline itself is - you don't need to be playing the Ellie route at all. Considering that everything we learn during the route about Ellie's dating and sexual preferences, coupled with her having an event first thing the next morning (isn't Christine's party a sleepover?), makes me think that the bonus storyline will be mutually exclusive to the Ellie route.
If you are following Ellie route and excluding Dylan come here in a year from now…
 
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