VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

Something that I think many here don't realize is that not every game can be for everyone. At the latest when you see a title like "A Wife and Mother" in a porn game you should, if you don't like incest, think about whether this game is really right for you. This idea alone, to switch off the children and only play the side stories, I think is silly. It's only right that Dylan and Ellie are important characters in this game. That do not mean that everything is about them, but it make sense that even side stories are there to support their plots as childern of Sophia. For this, You don't need a reboot, and you don't need a new title, because that is and was the main story in this game from the beginning. Also that some of the content is toid from Dylan's perspective , fits perfectly, because otherwise especially story elements that are unknown to Sophia at the moment (e.g. the voyeur elements in Dylan Cockold path) could be told only inadequately. I don't know why some people here think Dylan can just be left out. This game is about Sophia in her role as wife and mother. Dylan and Ellie are just like Sophia part of the main story.

I would have no issue with some elements of the tale being told from different POVs, including Dylan's, (if AWAM moved along at a rate commensurate with its popularity). If this game moved at a different pace, this could even have been welcomed. If I had to nominate a scene with Dylan that I actually enjoyed it would be when he demonstrated basketball shooting technique to Christine, which was wholly independent of Sophia. It even evoked memories of fancying my sister's friends when I was a teenager. [Yes, I used to be one along time ago]. Covering for Ellie's smoking wasn't bad either.

My problem with Dylan is that he's almost omni-present. Again with better pacing this wouldn't be such an issue but as things stand there's no doubt that the Dev is giving Dylan the full MC treatment, which I find, I'll politely say, 'excessive.' This has caused other elements to effectively be dropped, or at least put on ill-defined hold, because L&P seems not to appreciate the opportunity cost concerning time.

L&P never officially states that characters are being written out, only that they're unlikely to appear again, e.g. Jason & Haru, who SHOULD be written out this minute IMO. What he won't ever do is to tell fans that some characters are in limbo & that they'll disappear for years, e.g. Nathalie is not due back until 2035. Even just typing that out highlights, for me, the ludicrousness of what AWAM has become. L&P is a marvellous renderer of characters & scenes but currently his story-telling capability is running on empty. He has chosen to parsimonously ration out episodic AWAM events which means that whenever a particular character receives extra attention every other plot-line suffers. I believe fans only opted for event-based updates because of the promise that they would appear on a monthly basis. That has turned out to be another example of the Dev's economy with the truth.

If AWAM is not to be abandoned or gradually drift towards 1 event per annum, to be phoned in by the Dev, something needs to change. There needs to be a pruning of plots. That would be a start. As Dylan is involved in several, he could stand to have them reduced. Both side jobs need to be given the tried & tested DLC treatment, which means they need to disappear.

 

[armion82]

If the game only had, for example, Dylan, Ellie and Sam routes I would probably stop playing it. And I think there are a few patrons that would stop supporting as well. It would hit too few kinks. For me the incest route is not something I am very into. I was at first with the Ellie part, but got over it fast. The Dylan route is fun/funny for me but only because of Sofia's reluctance (normal). Same with Sam. If she was 100% into those relationships, I would not be into it at all. That's why I like the Aiden route the most. I also like the teaching path for the kids although I would have hoped they would be a little older, this way it's a little creepy.

So you probably are not playing and won't be playing the game for a very long time.
Because it's been a while since we got an update not involving someone of the 3 you mention.
And will be much more time until you get another update without them.

 

[tofhdns]

Something that I think many here don't realize is that not every game can be for everyone. At the latest when you see a title like "A Wife and Mother" in a porn game you should, if you don't like incest, think about whether this game is really right for you. This idea alone, to switch off the children and only play the side stories, I think is silly. It's only right that Dylan and Ellie are important characters in this game. That do not mean that everything is about them, but it make sense that even side stories are there to support their plots as childern of Sophia. For this, You don't need a reboot, and you don't need a new title, because that is and was the main story in this game from the beginning. Also that some of the content is toid from Dylan's perspective , fits perfectly, because otherwise especially story elements that are unknown to Sophia at the moment (e.g. the voyeur elements in Dylan Cockold path) could be told only inadequately. I don't know why some people here think Dylan can just be left out. This game is about Sophia in her role as wife and mother. Dylan and Ellie are just like Sophia part of the main story.

AWAM is just a game title.

Suppose there's a game named "The Tanning salon Owner Jack".

Jack doesn't necessarily have to have sex only at tanning salon, nor does he have to have sex only with tanning salon customers.

AWAM is just a word to describe Sophia.

 

[Deleted member 2422104]

Well I know that dev don' want Sophia to have sex now but there should be some dick actions like a Blowjob or a freaking Handjob atleast which will show her corruption besides her thoughts.

 

[XaGnard]

AWAM is just a game title.

Suppose there's a game named "The Tanning salon Owner Jack".

Jack doesn't necessarily have to have sex only at tanning salon, nor does he have to have sex only with tanning salon customers.

AWAM is just a word to describe Sophia.

After all, it's not only the title that's about Sophia as "A wife and mother," but also the content of this game. That's why I say it's a little silly to gripe here about AWAM also being about Dylan. Transferred to your analogy this means more that some people complain that "Jack has to much sex in his tanning salon" and me saying that it is fine for Jack to have sex in his Tannig salon because this is what this game is meant to be about.

Angain, No matter how you look at it, this game is not just about Sophia, but about Sophia in her role as wife and mother. There is not a too much of the events with Dylan and Ellie, because they are part of the main story. It is also absurd to complain about too much incest content, as this was clearly planned from the beginning and is now only being implemented. If someone wants a game without incest, they should really think about whether this game is really the right one for them. Not every game has to be right for every taste. But it is important that a game has a chance to be finished, otherwise it will be no good for anyone. That's why I say that in a game like AWAM one should cut on the side stories and not on the main story, when time is short.

 

[tofhdns]

me saying that it is fine for Jack to have sex in his Tannig salon

I think the level you're saying about is appropriate.

 

[ihl86]

So you probably are not playing and won't be playing the game for a very long time.
Because it's been a while since we got an update not involving someone of the 3 you mention.
And will be much more time until you get another update without them.

I only sometimes visit this forum so I don't know what the events of the update will be so I paly all of them. However I am skipping through most of the dialogue if I don't find a scene interesting. I also just check out some events from the gallery directly if they are not included in my gameplay. From the last update, I kind of liked the part with Sofia at the salon, flashing the dude and that's about it. I mean, the part with Dylan was interesting, and I might have enjoyed in another game but it's not why I play AWAM for.
From the little I read lately I expect to be disappointed about the next few updates which might indeed mean closer to a year, on the track L&P is.

After all, it's not only the title that's about Sophia as "A wife and mother," but also the content of this game. That's why I say it's a little silly to gripe here about AWAM also being about Dylan. Transferred to your analogy this means more that some people complain that "Jack has to much sex in his tanning salon" and me saying that it is fine for Jack to have sex in his Tannig salon because this is what this game is meant to be about.

Angain, No matter how you look at it, this game is not just about Sophia, but about Sophia in her role as wife and mother. There is not a too much of the events with Dylan and Ellie, because they are part of the main story. It is also absurd to complain about too much incest content, as this was clearly planned from the beginning and is now only being implemented. If someone wants a game without incest, they should really think about whether this game is really the right one for them. Not every game has to be right for every taste. But it is important that a game has a chance to be finished, otherwise it will be no good for anyone. That's why I say that in a game like AWAM one should cut on the side stories and not on the main story, when time is short.

I think different people have different expectations from the game. And the game is now evolving into an incest game more than anything else, because that's what most of the supporters of the game like. In my mind this game is about one thing and that is the corruption of Sofia. The fact that she is a wife and a mother is, for me interesting as it would be different than the corruption of someone else, like most other corruption games have. Everything happening in the game is a tool to develop the one plot I care about, her corruption. That can be through incest at some point, of course, and it kind of was used like that at the start, that's why there were so many subplots. Unfortunately for me, fortunately for others, a lot of the people supporting the game on Patreon or Subscribestar like the incest parts the most and so the game focus has shifted more and more towards that,

 

[palmtrees89]

After all, it's not only the title that's about Sophia as "A wife and mother," but also the content of this game. That's why I say it's a little silly to gripe here about AWAM also being about Dylan.

Angain, No matter how you look at it, this game is not just about Sophia, but about Sophia in her role as wife and mother. There is not a too much of the events with Dylan and Ellie, because they are part of the main story.

What exactly is the main story though? I've said it before, but to me the main story is what the players make of it. You can cut out most Dylan/Ellie content at will, be a good wife, go for mostly the adult lesbian or hetero routes...and so on. There's a reason we get choices resulting in different outcomes. Some of which result in zero incest, others in more or less hetero/lesbian content...and so on. If you don't want to see any sexual content with particular characters in your game, you don't have to.

And I've also said this before, but that's pretty much the point of a choice based visual novel. You get to make your own story. Problem here is that most routes will only see content worth playing in 30-40 years from now, which might make certain other routes seem to be the so called "main story" as there's simply more content, which is caused by the game's development moving in slow-motion.

I personally don't give a flying fuck about the incest content in this game. I also don't care about children and teenagers. I'm in it for content involving adult characters (mostly hetero oriented). Thing is, I'm shit out of luck to get any of that within the next 20+ years probably. lol

 

[JorellMartis]

i would love 2 see this, anyone else with me?

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[hzjujk]

i would love 2 see this, anyone else with me?

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As one scenario and routes of many - yes.

 

[XaGnard]

I think different people have different expectations from the game. And the game is now evolving into an incest game more than anything else, because that's what most of the supporters of the game like. In my mind this game is about one thing and that is the corruption of Sofia. The fact that she is a wife and a mother is, for me interesting as it would be different than the corruption of someone else, like most other corruption games have. Everything happening in the game is a tool to develop the one plot I care about, her corruption. That can be through incest at some point, of course, and it kind of was used like that at the start, that's why there were so many subplots. Unfortunately for me, fortunately for others, a lot of the people supporting the game on Patreon or Subscribestar like the incest parts the most and so the game focus has shifted more and more towards that,

Yes, it's pretty clear that there are quite different expectations for this game. I would even go a bit further and say that L&P has deliberately stirred them up.

However, what I would not say is that the incest part was reinforced afterwards. This orientation has been the core of this game from the very beginning. It starts with the scene in the car shortly after they get off the plane, where Ellie catches Dylan looking a little too closely, and continues through most of the events (with Dylan, Ellie, or Patricia). The point is that, in the best case, also characters beside the main charcters will ultimately also support this plot. Sam is a good example here because he should not be seen as an alternative to incest, but as a competitor to Dylan.

Also, The fact that a game about incest is ultimately also a game about corruption seems to be somehow lost here. I at least don't know a good plot of an incest game where you don't have to overcome the hurdles that stand in the way. In the end, the incest is just an amplified form of other coruption plots, because the relationship between the participants involved is subject to stronger social restrictions than, for example, in the case of "just" cheating. For me, at least, only this part of the incest is interesting.

 

[Whitekink]

What exactly is the main story though? I've said it before, but to me the main story is what the players make of it. You can cut out most Dylan/Ellie content at will, be a good wife, go for mostly the adult lesbian or hetero routes...and so on. There's a reason we get choices resulting in different outcomes. Some of which result in zero incest, others in more or less hetero/lesbian content...and so on. If you don't want to see any sexual content with particular characters in your game, you don't have to.

And I've also said this before, but that's pretty much the point of a choice based visual novel. You get to make your own story. Problem here is that most routes will only see content worth playing in 30-40 years from now, which might make certain other routes seem to be the so called "main story" as there's simply more content, which is caused by the game's development moving in slow-motion.

I personally don't give a flying fuck about the incest content in this game. I also don't care about children and teenagers. I'm in it for content involving adult characters (mostly hetero oriented). Thing is, I'm shit out of luck to get any of that within the next 20+ years probably. lol

Totally agree with the basis of what you said.

If you don't want to see a particular fetish/route, don't play it.

This forum gets boring reading repetitive posts about people hating this or that fetish, when they have an opportunity to not see it!
If they don't like it and are watching it, why?!...or if not, why complain about something you're not going to see?!

I used to read every post on this forum, but I'm here now, mainly for the art.

 

[Alley_Cat]

If the game only had, for example, Dylan, Ellie and Sam routes I would probably stop playing it. And I think there are a few patrons that would stop supporting as well. It would hit too few kinks. For me the incest route is not something I am very into. I was at first with the Ellie part, but got over it fast. The Dylan route is fun/funny for me but only because of Sofia's reluctance (normal). Same with Sam. If she was 100% into those relationships, I would not be into it at all. That's why I like the Aiden route the most. I also like the teaching path for the kids although I would have hoped they would be a little older, this way it's a little creepy.

Since the game only has Dylan, Sam, Ellie and Patricia routes (ie Incest) why are you playing otherwise?

i would love 2 see this, anyone else with me?

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This isn't a thing. Likely never will be.

 

[farisau]

a version for mac 0.180???

 

[JorellMartis]

Since the game only has Dylan, Sam, Ellie and Patricia routes (ie Incest) why are you playing otherwise?

This isn't a thing. Likely never will be.

why you being so negative man

 

[Bibifoc]

a version for mac 0.180???

It always seems strange to me. People leaks the Windows version but rarely other ones

 

[ihl86]

Totally agree with the basis of what you said.

If you don't want to see a particular fetish/route, don't play it.

This forum gets boring reading repetitive posts about people hating this or that fetish, when they have an opportunity to not see it!
If they don't like it and are watching it, why?!...or if not, why complain about something you're not going to see?!

I used to read every post on this forum, but I'm here now, mainly for the art.

I imagine people are complaining because of the slow development. If a fetish they don't like has high priority, if they don't watch that, they can not play the game for a year or more.

Since the game only has Dylan, Sam, Ellie and Patricia routes (ie Incest) why are you playing otherwise?

This isn't a thing. Likely never will be.

For the corruption aspect of the game. I mainly like the Aiden story.
Especially if I play a female MC I don't care about LI's as I don't identify with her. I just her to get as corrupted as possible.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

In a paralel universe AWAM's progress is very fast and by the end of 2023 all 30 PDs are available to play. There are many different routes and everyone plays those they like.
- Dylan
- Ellie
- Sam
- Patricia
- Aiden
- Benett
- Morello
- Nathalie
- Amber
- Vicky
- Gandbang
- Interracial
- Good wife (yes there are some who like this path too)
Within a month or 2 everyone would lose their interest and no one would talk about it anymore... while now there is a forum with more than 100,000 comments and the game is not even half way there... It brings to the creator a steady income between 4.5k to 6k monthly and this is his/her part time job... what do you think...? Is he/she going to be faster?

 

[Spassky3]

What events will happen in the next updates. I'm asking every time, sorry

 

[ihl86]

In a paralel universe AWAM's progress is very fast and by the end of 2023 all 30 PDs are available to play. There are many different routes and everyone plays those they like.
- Dylan
- Ellie
- Sam
- Patricia
- Aiden
- Benett
- Morello
- Nathalie
- Amber
- Vicky
- Gandbang
- Interracial
- Good wife (yes there are some who like this path too)
Within a month or 2 everyone would lose their interest and no one would talk about it anymore... while now there is a forum with more than 100,000 comments and the game is not even half way there... It brings to the creator a steady income between 4.5k to 6k monthly and this is his/her part time job... what do you think...? Is he/she going to be faster?

Of course there needs to be a balance but still. If I was supporting AWAM at some time, the long release times would have made me stop supporting it. I was supporting Fashions Business when I found out about AWAM (FB is how I found this forum actually) so I thought after some time I will switch from one to another. In the meantime, the release dates grew so far apart that I decided against supporting AWAM.
But there are plenty who will still support it. I think a proof of this kind of concept working is also Amouranth, the streamer with OF who teases, lies to supporters and releases same crap for a long time now but people still pay her 1 million dollars per month for that. I can't understand it, but it is what it is. Only money can dictate what content creators of all types do. Wheter it is, include certain storylines more, or release faster, or get naked more or whatever.
Just like it was with Milfy City, the dev got so much money even when he was doing nothing and lying to the people about what he was doing that he kind of got used to that and stopped working on the game altogether.