VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[XaGnard]

This is why people say that reality in games does not mean the real reality that is boring and obvious.
And that's also why I say reality is important for persuasiveness.
Reality starts from the background initially set by the developer.
But now, the developer is breaking the background he initially set up.
That is why it is said that consistency, validity and reality are broken.
As for what is realistic, you may or may not agree with me.
However, reading your post, I felt a little relieved of my cramped feeling with arsenic.
I hope there will be a discussion about what is realistic.
Rather than the ridiculous statement that reality should be ignored.

I just took the trouble to read through the L&P About page for AWAM. Here the word "realistic" is used exactly two times , but each time in a specific context:

"... ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images ... I even pay attention to the right sun position and light, according to the time of day and much more ..."

This is clearly only about the visual quality of the game and not about the story itself.

" ... slowly developing story and gradual character development of the protagonist, to create an arc of suspense (actually all characters have their own personality)! Showing too much skin right at the beginning ruins the suspense. In my game everything is adapted to the story! And there will still be a lot of sizzling scenes! ... And all this is set in a big, realistic world, where the protagonist will eat, sleep, take showers, work etc., all accompanied by a realistic daily rhythm. ..."

This is about explaining the slow burn and then talking about the characters going through actual days in the game. It's basically explaining why L&P is so fixated on packing so many events into each game day. The point here is that the individual characters are more than mere shells, i.e. they eat, practice bodily hygiene, go to work, etc.

Nowhere in this text does it say that the story itself is, or should be, realistic. From my point of view, this makes sense, because you can't write a fun to play incest story in a realistic way.

BTW, I found something else that affects all those who are upset about L&P unexpectedly leaving decisions to Dylan. L&P seems to have planned this as a possible option from the beginning:

" ... Playing as a MILF just brings an approach wind into the adult game world! Furthermore I'm thinking about maybe switching the playable character to a male one a few time later on and letting him make decisions! ... "

It's crazy to think how many people here have been crying about this as a supposed change in the plan. LOL.

It is time to remember that AWAM is only a porn game (L&P calls it a adult game). From the beginning, the story had many events that would never have worked in the real world. I have given a few examples that do not even fully cover all events. Nothing has changed, except that the game is slowly progressing in the slow burn and coming into the mid game. There will be a lot more real world unrealistic events coming up, we can all be sure of that. If you think that's not good, that's your problem, I think everyone who wants to play the story in AWAM to the end at some point should celebrate that something is finally happening. Especially since compared to other games here, AWAM is still a slow burn game.

 

[drax 4998]

Why this small update took to much time???

 

[Talcum Powder]

...
" ... Playing as a MILF just brings an approach wind into the adult game world! Furthermore I'm thinking about maybe switching the playable character to a male one a few time later on and letting him make decisions! ... "

It's crazy to think how many people here have been crying about this as a supposed change in the plan. LOL.

My critique isn't that there was a change in the plan, it's that the idea for the story and main character was always very solid and encouraging but the plan to have a male POV (originally Liam, iirc) was bad from the start and the changes in the plan have made things worse.

While I've ranted and raged a few times over the years I've certainly shed no tears about the plan or changes in the plan. I've long thought that adding a male teenager's POV is dumb, as redundant as Meatballs 4 - as if it was telling a story that hadn't been told a thousand times before. There's no reason we can't get Dylan's thoughts (or anyone else's, for that matter) by conversation with Sophia. And as far as giving Dylan agency (choices), those opportunities could easily be achieved from Sophia's POV by allowing the player to choose Sophia's interpretation of events. For example, the swimming lessons event - instead of a choice of "Dylan gets jealous: Yes/No", it could be Sophia thinking "Sam is getting a bit touchy-feely: Dylan looks jealous/Dylan seems to enjoy watching".

 

[kewlbigdan]

For the love of Pete this forum needs another teaser to distract everyone.

 

[tofhdns]

I just took the trouble to read through the L&P About page for AWAM. Here the word "realistic" is used exactly two times , but each time in a specific context:

"... ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images ... I even pay attention to the right sun position and light, according to the time of day and much more ..."

This is clearly only about the visual quality of the game and not about the story itself.

" ... slowly developing story and gradual character development of the protagonist, to create an arc of suspense (actually all characters have their own personality)! Showing too much skin right at the beginning ruins the suspense. In my game everything is adapted to the story! And there will still be a lot of sizzling scenes! ... And all this is set in a big, realistic world, where the protagonist will eat, sleep, take showers, work etc., all accompanied by a realistic daily rhythm. ..."

This is about explaining the slow burn and then talking about the characters going through actual days in the game. It's basically explaining why L&P is so fixated on packing so many events into each game day. The point here is that the individual characters are more than mere shells, i.e. they eat, practice bodily hygiene, go to work, etc.

Nowhere in this text does it say that the story itself is, or should be, realistic. From my point of view, this makes sense, because you can't write a fun to play incest story in a realistic way.

BTW, I found something else that affects all those who are upset about L&P unexpectedly leaving decisions to Dylan. L&P seems to have planned this as a possible option from the beginning:

" ... Playing as a MILF just brings an approach wind into the adult game world! Furthermore I'm thinking about maybe switching the playable character to a male one a few time later on and letting him make decisions! ... "

It's crazy to think how many people here have been crying about this as a supposed change in the plan. LOL.

It is time to remember that AWAM is only a porn game (L&P calls it a adult game). From the beginning, the story had many events that would never have worked in the real world. I have given a few examples that do not even fully cover all events. Nothing has changed, except that the game is slowly progressing in the slow burn and coming into the mid game. There will be a lot more real world unrealistic events coming up, we can all be sure of that. If you think that's not good, that's your problem, I think everyone who wants to play the story in AWAM to the end at some point should celebrate that something is finally happening. Especially since compared to other games here, AWAM is still a slow burn game.

Do you have bad eyesight or do you have good editing skills?




Hey guys and welcome to my Patreon page!

I've decided to develop my own ambitious, realistic, detail-oriented, quality-focused adult game,

What makes my game special and what is my focus?
1.) Primarily my very ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images, in which I keep a very close eye on even the smallest detail, to make them look as realistic as possible

"Playable" means that sometimes the story will be continued a week later, for example, in order to make it more authentic.

In my opinion the best adult games are the easiest (playable) ones with good stories.

 

[angry_demon_boy]

What will happen in the next shota event?

Best thought out itinerary, looking forward to it.

 

[XaGnard]

Do you have bad eyesight or do you have good editing skills?




Hey guys and welcome to my Patreon page!

I've decided to develop my own ambitious, realistic, detail-oriented, quality-focused adult game,

What makes my game special and what is my focus?
1.) Primarily my very ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images, in which I keep a very close eye on even the smallest detail, to make them look as realistic as possible

"Playable" means that sometimes the story will be continued a week later, for example, in order to make it more authentic.

In my opinion the best adult games are the easiest (playable) ones with good stories.

That is exactly what I said. Nowhere does it say that the story is realistic. Again, this is the text were he write about what is realitic about his game ....

Point 1 is about the images:

"... ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images ... I even pay attention to the right sun position and light, according to the time of day and much more ..."

Point 4 is about a ...

" ... slowly developing story and gradual character development of the protagonist, to create an arc of suspense (actually all characters have their own personality)! Showing too much skin right at the beginning ruins the suspense. In my game everything is adapted to the story! And there will still be a lot of sizzling scenes! ... And all this is set in a big, realistic world, where the protagonist will eat, sleep, take showers, work etc., all accompanied by a realistic daily rhythm. ..."

Where you interpret a realistic story into this is beyond me. If L&P had wanted that, he would have written it, don't you think?

Jeez, I think at some point you have to realise that no one can seriously think that you can put a realistic incest story in a porn game. This is a stupid idea and cannot work.

 

[tofhdns]

That is exactly what I said. Nowhere does it say that the story is realistic. Again, this is the text were he write about what is realitic about his game ....

Point 1 is about the images:

"... ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images ... I even pay attention to the right sun position and light, according to the time of day and much more ..."

Point 4 is about a ...

" ... slowly developing story and gradual character development of the protagonist, to create an arc of suspense (actually all characters have their own personality)! Showing too much skin right at the beginning ruins the suspense. In my game everything is adapted to the story! And there will still be a lot of sizzling scenes! ... And all this is set in a big, realistic world, where the protagonist will eat, sleep, take showers, work etc., all accompanied by a realistic daily rhythm. ..."

Where you interpret a realistic story into this is beyond me. If L&P had wanted that, he would have written it, don't you think?

Jeez, I think at some point you have to realise that no one can seriously think that you can put a realistic incest story in a porn game. This is a stupid idea and cannot work.

Hey guys and welcome to my Patreon page!

I've decided to develop my own ambitious, realistic, detail-oriented, quality-focused adult game,

What makes my game special and what is my focus?
1.) Primarily my very ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images, in which I keep a very close eye on even the smallest detail, to make them look as realistic as possible

"Playable" means that sometimes the story will be continued a week later, for example, in order to make it more authentic.

In my opinion the best adult games are the easiest (playable) ones with good stories.

 

[XaGnard]

Hey guys and welcome to my Patreon page!
I've decided to develop my own ambitious, realistic, detail-oriented, quality-focused adult game,
What makes my game special and what is my focus?
1.) Primarily my very ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images, in which I keep a very close eye on even the smallest detail, to make them look as realistic as possible
"Playable" means that sometimes the story will be continued a week later, for example, in order to make it more authentic.
In my opinion the best adult games are the easiest (playable) ones with good stories.

Do you think that a good story has to be realistic? That may be true for you, but in practice I know many good stories (e.g. from science fiction) that are not realistic.

L&P himself has explained what he means by realism:

Point 1 is about the images:

"... ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images ... I even pay attention to the right sun position and light, according to the time of day and much more ..."

Point 4 is about a ...

" ... slowly developing story and gradual character development of the protagonist, to create an arc of suspense (actually all characters have their own personality)! Showing too much skin right at the beginning ruins the suspense. In my game everything is adapted to the story! And there will still be a lot of sizzling scenes! ... And all this is set in a big, realistic world, where the protagonist will eat, sleep, take showers, work etc., all accompanied by a realistic daily rhythm. ..."

Where you interpret a realistic story into this is beyond me. L&P is clearly writing about realistic renderings and not too thin characters in a slow burn game. There is nothing about realistic stories. Why would it, when this is so clearly pointless for a porn game.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

For the love of Pete this forum needs another teaser to distract everyone.

 

[tofhdns]

Do you think that a good story has to be realistic? That may be true for you, but in practice I know many good stories (e.g. from science fiction) that are not realistic.

L&P himself has explained what he means by realism:

Point 1 is about the images:

"... ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images ... I even pay attention to the right sun position and light, according to the time of day and much more ..."

Point 4 is about a ...

" ... slowly developing story and gradual character development of the protagonist, to create an arc of suspense (actually all characters have their own personality)! Showing too much skin right at the beginning ruins the suspense. In my game everything is adapted to the story! And there will still be a lot of sizzling scenes! ... And all this is set in a big, realistic world, where the protagonist will eat, sleep, take showers, work etc., all accompanied by a realistic daily rhythm. ..."

Where you interpret a realistic story into this is beyond me. L&P is clearly writing about realistic renderings and not too thin characters in a slow burn game. There is nothing about realistic stories. Why would it, when this is so clearly pointless for a porn game.

Hey guys and welcome to my Patreon page!

I've decided to develop my own ambitious, realistic, detail-oriented, quality-focused adult game,

What makes my game special and what is my focus?
1.) Primarily my very ambitiously staged, realistic, high-quality 1080p images, in which I keep a very close eye on even the smallest detail, to make them look as realistic as possible

"Playable" means that sometimes the story will be continued a week later, for example, in order to make it more authentic.

In my opinion the best adult games are the easiest (playable) ones with good stories.

 

[INOM_18]

Can we please stop this realistic, realism shit ,

 

[karleston]

I think it's time to use the ignore button once again

 

[Sagf]

Why this small update took to much time???

Why this small update took to much time???

Yeah, I wonder too, that's a good question

 

[141191]

Can we please stop this realistic, realism shit ,

Amen brother!! But now that I look at the render which beer company doesn't use labels on their bottles. Not to mention how a teenager got into a bar. Can someone elaborate on this? I believe we can reach the 1500 mark of pages until Monday.

 

[Bishop Robert]

Legit the worst teasers I've seen, only one would be worth calling a teaser.

 

[Deniroeste]

I guess he means erotic content in that sense, since for 4 years there was nothing practically going on, it was literally light erotica about mommy
(In the last updates part one alone there were 3 task , 2 good Lebsian events (poolside and massage) , and Sam as a finale, if you think about it, there was hardly anything else going on in the game)

Spoiler: In the first part, scenes like this were only at the end, and for most of it Sophia was dressed up

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Observe clearly that in this selection, very good by the way, of 6 more erotic scenes... 4 of them have nothing to do with Sophia's sexual or erotic ties with her children or young neighbor. And 3 of them are related to the high eroticism that is generated, whether everyone likes it or not, with the morbidity that strangers (in this case, her students with no other link than this) force Sophia to perform intensely erotic actions against her will.

Interesting point of view from a graphic selection of the plot.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Can we please stop this realistic, realism shit ,

As I've said before (in I think it was the off-topic thread), as long as L&P claims realism and class in his description of his game, he can and should be held up to that standard. Those words being in the description are entirely up to him. If he were to drop those terms, add that Dylan is the 2nd MC (I believe he's said it, just not in the main description of the game), then the game would likely reflect actual gameplay more accurately.

Of course there's going to be some degree of artistic license. It exists even in historical fiction. As far as I'm concerned, as long as there's internal consistency, I'm usually pretty happy. As a sci-fi fan, that's usually all I want. I don't believe there's internal consistency in the game either (I've gone into that before), but at least the term is specific enough people shouldn't be arguing about what "realism" even means.

 

[palmtrees89]

Why this small update took to much time???

According to Hlextor, L&P said he's got some private stuff to take care of, which is why the update is delayed. Weather or not we want to believe that, it is what it is I guess. The yearly Festival of Bullshit is so much more fun during midsummer anyway!

Source:
https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-offtopic-discussion.111628/post-11240609

 

[ancienregimele]

So, people have had enough of debates about realism. I can understand that, e.g. I've heard all the speculation about Dylan & how far he'll get after the nightclub that I'll ever need.

Therefore, I am going to give two examples of 'realism' within the context of AWAM, i.e. NOT real-life realism, featuring the lad himself. Then I will leave the topic alone, at least until after the update & probably longer, because it's hard to discuss what doesn't exist.

1) Dylan encounters Amber in the kitchen. One thing leads to another & finishes with mutual masturbation, with a satisfactory outcome. It was a needless scene IMO but if it had gone that way, it would have seemed realistic within the porn context.

2) Dylan encounters Amber in the kitchen. One thing leads to another & mutual masturbation ensues. This continues in plain sight with Amber's husband & son, who happens to be Dylan's best friend, entering & sitting just inches away, at the same table, as the active protagonists silently orgasm. [As in silently FFS]. Clean-up has to wait, i.e. what actually occurred.

Obviously Dylan (& possibly L&P) never encountered the types of fathers & sons/brothers that I met as a teen. I'm thinking about their daughters & sisters, not the mother of the household. Danger would have immediately arisen from the scramble, on first hearing footsteps, to stop & look innocent. It would have to have been convincing & the rest of the time all mental faculties would have been deployed in order to survive the next half hour, or whatever. Any thought of continuing, let alone orgasms would have vanished. That second scenario illustrates nicely what has happened to the veneer of realism AWAM once had & how it has become pure schoolboy wish fulfilment.

Now, it may be that somebody will say that they have done what Dylan & Amber did. Even if I was to believe it, I'd still say that they never encountered the kinds of fathers & brothers I met as a teen.