VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Bibifoc]

It just is nonsense. This 'testing' should be a playthrough to see if renders and the handful of decisions a player can make are all in order and working as intended. That's it. L&P never had this progress bar before, and it was never needed. It's just yet another way of delaying updates so he can work less while giving patrons the illusion of 'something is happening'.

Sorry but on this one, you're wrong.
Before this "testing" bar appeared , there were always few time (maybe 1-2 days) between all bars at 100% and the real release. And every time people complained about what happened meanwhile. And it was the testing/finalizing (these 20% are probably L&P testing part and I'll have my part - gallery + testing the update). So L&P added this bar. And now, "no this bar means nothing, it's just to fool patrons...". These endless fucking conspiracy theories "blabla nothing happens, he just want to delay...". How many times I ended my day late night (or early morning ) because as fucking usual something goes wrong while here people were like "Hihi, he does nothing he just want to delay to the 1st". There are a shitload reasons to complain about L&P/AWAM but you, guys, are really annoying kids.

On the paper it seems easy? I totally agree it also always seems easy to me... but I see that it always takes longer than expected. And I can't explain it. That's why I already answered to some guy here that he should try to do things, instead of just guessing. It might be different than what he expected.

This last part also includes my availability. Sorry guys but I can't just jump on the job as soon as L&P snaps his fingers.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

Soo Sunday or Monday ?

 

[sept0342]

It just is nonsense. This 'testing' should be a playthrough to see if renders and the handful of decisions a player can make are all in order and working as intended. That's it. L&P never had this progress bar before, and it was never needed. It's just yet another way of delaying updates so he can work less while giving patrons the illusion of 'something is happening'.

 

[cjcjcc]

Anyone have Version 0.185 complete save?

I played on joiplay and comppressed version, the load page start from 12!
I test it in my pc and its work.

 

[Mailman777]

So if this next update is around 400 renders and it took him a little less than 4 months for the renders (88 workdays because everyone should take the weekend to rest ) it's going to be about 5 renders a day.
I guess we can assume the man is doing only this for work and he works everyday for about 4 hours to get that many renders done?

At the end of the day everyone would surely prefer he worked full days and the pace doubled but I say, we're still living in the patreon world and this world has its own rules. He's an independent artist doing this type of creative work for years now and he's still at it. It's easy for someone in this situation to have had enough of the pressure, and after getting enough money, to just want to enjoy more of life and less of work (milfy city's creator Icstor comes to mind).

It would also be nice, if he does want to enjoy more of life, for him to just pay someone to do the work. It would probably still be quite profitable and he could then just relax or work much less. But this is easier said than done with artistic work. There are plenty of AWAM copycats out there, extra stories etc, none of them approaches the level of quality of the original imo, not in terms of script, much less in terms of renders.

But damn, I really wished he could update the game every 2 months with 400 renders, that would be the sweet spot. But oh well, I'm just glad he is still going

Very balanced point of view. Of course he want to enjoy life. LP is stretching as much as he can the development time in his benefit. If he sees that patreons contributions are stable he has no reason to speed up … or he is speeding the earnings are the same … the only way to improve the delivery time is to hire a team and manage it … but than he can go down with his profit because he has to pay salaries and it is not certain that the turnover will increase if he delivers faster … I think he knows now what he is doing and we can not judge … It is not the end of the world … he is an artist and his art is great … about the character and management skills we can discuss

 

[Jungkook89]

When will there be next update? Thanks

 

[palmtrees89]

Gave you something to jerk off to, and the update isn't even out yet, huh?

Sorry but on this one, you're wrong.
Before this "testing" bar appeared , there were always few time (maybe 1-2 days) between all bars at 100% and the real release. And every time people complained about what happened meanwhile. And it was the testing/finalizing (these 20% are probably L&P testing part and I'll have my part - gallery + testing the update). So L&P added this bar. And now, "no this bar means nothing, it's just to fool patrons...". These endless fucking conspiracy theories "blabla nothing happens, he just want to delay...". How many times I ended my day late night (or early morning ) because as fucking usual something goes wrong while here people were like "Hihi, he does nothing he just want to delay to the 1st". There are a shitload reasons to complain about L&P/AWAM but you, guys, are really annoying kids.

On the paper it seems easy? I totally agree it also always seems easy to me... but I see that it always takes longer than expected. And I can't explain it. That's why I already answered to some guy here that he should try to do things, instead of just guessing. It might be different than what he expected.

This last part also includes my availability. Sorry guys but I can't just jump on the job as soon as L&P snaps his fingers.

That's cool and all, but how come you're not asked to do your thing during "Programming&Translation", you know, since you're doing that kinda stuff. Are you trying to tell me that he couldn't have you work on the gallery then? Why does that require another bar instead of using the existing one to convey the actual progress? How is "final coding" translated to "Bibi updating the Gallery"? And now the bar is progressing without you even doing anything yet? You say that is his part? His part should be 100% done by the time he's reaching this new one, and it should be called "Final playtest" if anything (still think it's entirely pointless). All the programming, coding and whatever should be done when Programming reaches 100%. The workflow for this project is an absolute joke, and Viper had already pointed that out in the offtopic thread a while ago.

He's adding this other bar so he can work at his pisspoor pace and call you in later whenever he is ready. That's why this new bar is useless. That's why this bar is yet another way of giving his supporters something to look at. You can't deny that L&P is getting slower every single year, and there's absolutely zero reason to add another progress bar other than giving L&P more room. You said it yourself, before this bar existed, the updates would have been released 1-2 days after 100% progress was reached.

I stand by my point, and the reason for that is the constant slowdown of this project. The bar is useless, and there is a reason he's adding it. Told you why. Besides, my post had nothing to do with L&P delaying the update to the 1st, but maybe reading and understanding are two different things, huh? So yeah, go call someone else a kid, boyo.

 

[immassman]

we need someone else to make the game faster with the same quality, there is no copyright in porn games right? so someone step it up.

 

[XaGnard]

Sorry but on this one, you're wrong.
Before this "testing" bar appeared , there were always few time (maybe 1-2 days) between all bars at 100% and the real release. And every time people complained about what happened meanwhile. And it was the testing/finalizing (these 20% are probably L&P testing part and I'll have my part - gallery + testing the update). So L&P added this bar. And now, "no this bar means nothing, it's just to fool patrons...". These endless fucking conspiracy theories "blabla nothing happens, he just want to delay...". How many times I ended my day late night (or early morning ) because as fucking usual something goes wrong while here people were like "Hihi, he does nothing he just want to delay to the 1st". There are a shitload reasons to complain about L&P/AWAM but you, guys, are really annoying kids.

On the paper it seems easy? I totally agree it also always seems easy to me... but I see that it always takes longer than expected. And I can't explain it. That's why I already answered to some guy here that he should try to do things, instead of just guessing. It might be different than what he expected.

This last part also includes my availability. Sorry guys but I can't just jump on the job as soon as L&P snaps his fingers.

These percentages are meaningless, as none of them are verifiable. The only thing that should count is the content that is actually published.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

we need someone else to make the game faster with the same quality, there is no copyright in porn games right? so someone step it up.

Are you going to pay him/her do this?

 

[ihl86]

we need someone else to make the game faster with the same quality, there is no copyright in porn games right? so someone step it up.

I think there is intellectual property even in this.
Of course, the model itself is free to buy/use however you want, same with most other assets. I think one could argue that maybe the combination of assets to get this look could enter copyright territory, not sure there.

However, as rAmSiMaL said above me, the whole incentive to create a game with this quality would be the money as it would not be easy work. Without that, who would take on such a project, instead of making their own game?

 

[immassman]

I think there is intellectual property even in this.
Of course, the model itself is free to buy/use however you want, same with most other assets. I think one could argue that maybe the combination of assets to get this look could enter copyright territory, not sure there.

However, as rAmSiMaL said above me, the whole incentive to create a game with this quality would be the money as it would not be easy work. Without that, who would take on such a project, instead of making their own game?

there are lots of other good games out there, same corruption genre. Free pass is even better to me. Sophia is not the prettiest milf. Anyway it won't be so hard, maybe not the same detailed lighting but free pass or Ms.Denvers lighting is good enough. I don't even care about this game anymore right now as other games i like are also on hiatus i just came by to visit. It won't be that hard really.

 

[immassman]

Are you going to pay him/her do this?

no lol, maybe

 

[abram1]

There are a shitload reasons to complain about L&P/AWAM but you, guys, are really annoying kids.
That's why I already answered to some guy here that he should try to do things, instead of just guessing. It might be different than what he expected.

Haters always gonna hate. It's so much easier to shit on someone's work, especially when the final product you get is completely free, as 99% of us pirate it from here anyway.
There's so much stuff online for horny people out there yet folks tend to pour out their frustration on a bunch of devs, who have their personal lives and not obliged to stress their asses off 24/7.

Your advise to some smart ass was on point. If mister/missis X thinks that a certain task could be done within a XYZ time, why won't they show us how it's done, on their own example. Right, just pointless pretentious suggestions from absolute no-names. Again, if a person supports L&P and doesn't like his working attitude, him personally for whatever reason, simply drop the financial aid, it's that easy. Bitching around on a pirate forum has absolutely no affect on any dev, unless they're active here. Channel your energy elsewhere, crybabies.

 

[Bibifoc]

That's cool and all, but how come you're not asked to do your thing during "Programming&Translation", you know, since you're doing that kinda stuff. Are you trying to tell me that he couldn't have you work on the gallery then?

Because the gallery means mostly injecting code in the main script. The one L&P have to finish first. And obviously the same for the last part (testing).

Why does that require another bar instead of using the existing one to convey the actual progress? How is "final coding" translated to "Bibi updating the Gallery"? And now the bar is progressing without you even doing anything yet? You say that is his part? His part should be 100% done by the time he's reaching this new one, and it should be called "Final playtest" if anything (still think it's entirely pointless). All the programming, coding and whatever should be done when Programming reaches 100%. The workflow for this project is an absolute joke, and Viper had already pointed that out in the offtopic thread a while ago.

I can't help finding that part funny. You want to change stuff from a bar to another one. What for? What difference will it make to the work that needs to be done?

He's adding this other bar so he can work at his pisspoor pace and call you in later whenever he is ready. That's why this new bar is useless. That's why this bar is yet another way of giving his supporters something to look at. You can't deny that L&P is getting slower every single year, and there's absolutely zero reason to add another progress bar other than giving L&P more room. You said it yourself, before this bar existed, the updates would have been released 1-2 days after 100% progress was reached.

I surely deny nothing. On the contrary. I just talked about the only dev phase of AWAM I know. Nothing more.

I stand by my point, and the reason for that is the constant slowdown of this project. The bar is useless, and there is a reason he's adding it. Told you why. Besides, my post had nothing to do with L&P delaying the update to the 1st, but maybe reading and understanding are two different things, huh? So yeah, go call someone else a kid, boyo.

Oh boy, of course you didn't mention it or imply it. It was just general ranting of mine about the end phase of AWAM

 

[SexyShelly]

we need someone else to make the game faster with the same quality, there is no copyright in porn games right? so someone step it up.

Yes, there is copyright even in adult content, to do such new game or take over a current game, you would need written permission from the original dev to do so, if you create or use their original work without their consent and you get paid for it, they could take you to court and will win where you would need to pay them everything you earned

 

[Bibifoc]

Haters always gonna hate. It's so much easier to shit on someone's work, especially when the final product you get is completely free, as 99% of us pirate it from here anyway.
There's so much stuff online for horny people out there yet folks tend to pour out their frustration on a bunch of devs, who have their personal lives and not obliged to stress their asses off 24/7.

Your advise to some smart ass was on point. If mister/missis X thinks that a certain task could be done within a XYZ time, why won't they show us how it's done, on their own example. Right, just pointless pretentious suggestions from absolute no-names. Again, if a person supports L&P and doesn't like his working attitude, him personally for whatever reason, simply drop the financial aid, it's that easy. Bitching around on a pirate forum has absolutely no affect on any dev, unless they're active here. Channel your energy elsewhere, crybabies.

You go much further than my point. People tends to think that Renpy is just some Powerpoint. You put 2 images and 3 dialog lines and it's ok. In a way, it's true but when you really do thing everything always takes more time than expected. And it seems difficult to understand it without trying it.

I would be curious to have the point of view of people who make the fan art games here.

 

[jamdan]

If the bars are useless, why does it matter what they are, how many there are, or anything else about them? LP could have a hundred bars or one bar, the end results would be the same.

And I don't get the "he does it to delay" stuff. LP has never had a consistent release date, it could be mid-month, it could be early, it could be late. As a previous post showed.

You can keep track of that at xxxorro's excellent post here.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-185-lust-passion.5944/post-8120982

The last 7 releases have been on:

April 29
February 4
November 21
August 24
July 11
May 23
April 12

No rhyme or reason to the delays. It's fun to rip on L&P, but it doesn't seem like he waits until the first of the month for Patreon money.

This game is on pace for completion in...2040? There is no point in delaying a few days to fill up another bar... which is useless.

 

[immassman]

Yes, there is copyright even in adult content, to do such new game or take over a current game, you would need written permission from the original dev to do so, if you create or use their original work without their consent and you get paid for it, they could take you to court and will win where you would need to pay them everything you earned

it's a porn game wtf lol

 

[SexyShelly]

it's a porn game wtf lol

The only way it would work, is if you had a totally different script / story / plot, I am sure you are able to get all same models from the marketplaces, but also still have similar scenes that you enjoy but but within different plot, that would be your work an not what is being copied, to make it 100% the same, same scenes, same layout, same story, you do need need permission, but, change the plot and make it your own, for example, similar story, same models if they are within the marketplace but within a cyberpunk future style game, that is a new story then, that be yours and you don't need permission as it won't be the same as the original