VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Bill_Buttlicker]

I'm not sure if you know the history of this AV, so I give you some key points.

• AWAM started back in 2017 as an RPGM; then it was converted to Ren'Py in 2018
• AWAM was supposed to have a shelf life of 4 to 5 years when it was converted to Ren'Py.
  • https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-190-lust-passion.5944/post-924649
• His original "already written" plan is now real-time written as he prolonged the AV when he saw it getting popular.
  • Already written comment is more of an outline.
  • He's in uncharted territory now. There is no plan or structure that I know of atm.
• Here is a copy of his last comment about why this is taking so long or update speed matters post from Sept. 24, 2020.
  • He is supposed to have another post to explain more soon, and I'm sure that will be shared at some point.
  • Spoiler: My statement to the update speed matter

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He makes it sound like no one else in the world would be able to understand his great vision and create the scenes he wants. Apparently, every other artist can work with others to get their ideas across in an expedited manner, but not the great tormented genius of L&P. He doesn't seem to understand that having others work with him can give him different viewpoints on how scenes can be implemented that he wouldn't necessarily be able to come up with on his own. He's stuck in his own mindset and can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[palmtrees89]

He makes it sound like no one else in the world would be able to understand his great vision and create the scenes he wants. Apparently, every other artist can work with others to get their ideas across in an expedited manner, but not the great tormented genius of L&P. He doesn't seem to understand that having others work with him can give him different viewpoints on how scenes can be implemented that he wouldn't necessarily be able to come up with on his own. He's stuck in his own mindset and can't see the forest for the trees.

I'd argue that he does understand that very well, but the only 2 reasons he's not doing it are simply his wallet and to hide how he's really working on this project. Or rather how little he is working on it these days. You know, beware if anyone working with him could end up having morals and good work ethic. L&P surely doesn't want anyone to know what's going on behind closed curtains, as what's going on there is likely disgusting... for his patrons anyway. Would be a shame if some of that came to light.

I mean, there's reasons why his yearly excuses on why he can't hire someone are different every time. It never makes sense, but that's L&P's middle name anyway.

Now, I could pull up the numbers again, talk about how it's constantly getting slower, less renders year after year...all that crap. But I'm lazy and I'm guessing you're well aware of that anyway.

 

[Bishop Robert]

v0.195 release date? Best case scenario, last week of January.

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Great picture.

I always knew you were one with the clan Talcum.

 

[Deleted member 3446610]

LP : I will deliver the update by Xmas.

Fans: GET BACK TO WORK.

Ramaraman (big fan) : 100% Trust

 

[palmtrees89]

Ramaraman (big fan) : 100% Trust

You're gonna be disappointed, buddy.



We're already 2 months and 1 week into this cycle, and animations are stuck at 10%. Unless they start making big jumps, well... you do the math. And even without animations, L&P is way off to make it till Xmas. He'd basically have to work twice as fast to make it in time. Or 10x as fast with animations. lol

 

[Talcum Powder]

You're gonna be disappointed, buddy.

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We're already 2 months and 1 week into this cycle, and animations are stuck at 10%. Unless they start making big jumps, well... you do the math. And even without animations, L&P is way off to make it till Xmas. He'd basically have to work twice as fast to make it in time. Or 10x as fast with animations. lol

There is absolutely no way Xmas 2023 is possible unless he's completely bullshitting the %%%, which is, obviously, a distinct (and likely) possibility.

 

[jamdan]

He makes it sound like no one else in the world would be able to understand his great vision and create the scenes he wants. Apparently, every other artist can work with others to get their ideas across in an expedited manner, but not the great tormented genius of L&P. He doesn't seem to understand that having others work with him can give him different viewpoints on how scenes can be implemented that he wouldn't necessarily be able to come up with on his own. He's stuck in his own mindset and can't see the forest for the trees.

LP comes off poorly as always, but there are legitimate reasons for him to not hire anyone for art.

- Obviously artists for hire who make art on LP's level and could emulate his style are not cheap. Most good commission artists charge $50 or more per render. Hiring an artist to create entire scenes or significant numbers of renders will get very expensive very quickly.

- LP is very picky with his scenes and how they are made. Because of this, I doubt another artist would make anything faster. Not to mention being micromanaged would also make them charge more. If anything, it could slow down things more. See the animations.

So yeah, I don't think having an artist would do anything at all. The only potential "art" help that could actually make him faster is someone to set up the environments (since he sometimes kitbashes things together) but how much time that would save is probably insignificant.

The only things, at this point, that could make this game faster are...

1 - An editor/writer helper. It's obvious at this point that LP does in fact not have the story already written, or if he did he didn't stick to it. It's also becoming more obvious that LP knows that the story has issues, such as him saying he may cut the side-jobs to focus on the main stuff. A story helper could make his life a lot easier, assuming he'd actually take them seriously.

2 - I've said this on the OT thread a while ago. Be more efficient. People focus on the raw number of renders or how many renders per day. That isn't as important as how efficiently they're used. Each of these "single event" updates (which aren't actually single events, but several events in a single event "arc") have several hundred renders, some approaching 500. That used to be the total of an entire day.

These two things combined would be a big boost. A writer helper to trim the fat, half of the past two Dylan updates could've been cut and achieved the same results. And because of that, you'd also need fewer renders to make a day's worth of content. And if he is more efficient with that smaller number of renders, that days worth of content would be a lot quicker to make.

 

[lockerxx]

v0.195 release date? Best case scenario, last week of January.

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I need this but the image of sophie full of dylan seed

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[ancienregimele]

LP comes off poorly as always, but there are legitimate reasons for him to not hire anyone for art.

- Obviously artists for hire who make art on LP's level and could emulate his style are not cheap. Most good commission artists charge $50 or more per render. Hiring an artist to create entire scenes or significant numbers of renders will get very expensive very quickly.

- LP is very picky with his scenes and how they are made. Because of this, I doubt another artist would make anything faster. Not to mention being micromanaged would also make them charge more. If anything, it could slow down things more. See the animations.

So yeah, I don't think having an artist would do anything at all. The only potential "art" help that could actually make him faster is someone to set up the environments (since he sometimes kitbashes things together) but how much time that would save is probably insignificant.

The only things, at this point, that could make this game faster are...

1 - An editor/writer helper. It's obvious at this point that LP does in fact not have the story already written, or if he did he didn't stick to it. It's also becoming more obvious that LP knows that the story has issues, such as him saying he may cut the side-jobs to focus on the main stuff. A story helper could make his life a lot easier, assuming he'd actually take them seriously.

2 - I've said this on the OT thread a while ago. Be more efficient. People focus on the raw number of renders or how many renders per day. That isn't as important as how efficiently they're used. Each of these "single event" updates (which aren't actually single events, but several events in a single event "arc") have several hundred renders, some approaching 500. That used to be the total of an entire day.

These two things combined would be a big boost. A writer helper to trim the fat, half of the past two Dylan updates could've been cut and the achieved the same results. And because of that, you'd also need fewer renders to make a day's worth of content. And if he is more efficient with that smaller number of renders, that days worth of content would be a lot quicker to make.

Sound advice but he's been receiving similar, (unrequested) feedback for at least as long as Dylan has been the MC & probably longer. (It's been too long to recall accurately). Oddly, perhaps, I genuinely understand his wish to work alone but at the same time have perceived for years that it's not really working out, as have many others. Maybe that should be that it's not working out for fans. He might have reached a conclusion that things need to change, e.g. the possibility of deleting the side-jobs but everything that's ever been done to speed up has had the opposite effect, sometimes exagerratedly so.

I was so keen for him to have an editor that I volunteered to attempt the role for free. [I did edit a local paper for a time, to a deadline & I've helped to script a well-known porn story but I'm not an editor]. He really needs a professional, who should ideally not be a fan but see things from a neutral perspective.

I don't play the incest routes because they don't interest me but couldn't help but see the last 2 Dylan updates via teasers & comments. There was no need for a visit to a restaurant, or a nightclub, just as there wasn't a need to have 2 mother & son submersions in water. If I can see that, I tend to conclude that the Dev can. I believe he enjoys padding out events, even when they're as ludicrous as the nightclub scenes. Time will tell, whether his side-lining of the original MC will sharpen his focus & increase his efficiency, now that AWAM is about Dylan. I don't care personally but I'm certain that Dylan followers will.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

1 - An editor/writer helper. It's obvious at this point that LP does in fact not have the story already written, or if he did he didn't stick to it. It's also becoming more obvious that LP knows that the story has issues, such as him saying he may cut the side-jobs to focus on the main stuff. A story helper could make his life a lot easier, assuming he'd actually take them seriously.

It would be a challenging issue to find someone to help him with the writing. First, he has trust issues that he doesn't to anyone. There was a person on the board who claimed they worked with him in the past, and L&P would only send a couple of sentences with him at a time to read and edit if needed. Also, I don't know if he is doing this anymore. Still, he would use Discord with his proofreader to translate his text and said he could only translate 2 to 2.5 pages a day, depending on if there were no issues that may lower that down; plus, he loves to micro-manage because of the trusting issue.

2 - I've said this on the OT thread a while ago. Be more efficient. People focus on the raw number of renders or how many renders per day. That isn't as important as how efficiently they're used. Each of these "single event" updates (which aren't actually single events, but several events in a single event "arc") have several hundred renders, some approaching 500. That used to be the total of an entire day.

I don't know how he would control this based on a comment he made in the past, which I would say is still in play today because of the render count for each update.

https://f95zone.to/threads/a-wife-and-mother-v0-190-lust-passion.5944/post-3931853

L&P's Quote:
"That quality goes hand in hand with quantity is what you say. For me quality is the fastidious work on every single render including everything from the lighting over scene subtleties to the smallest pose and expression detail. The quantity is just a byproduct which emerges by the amount of renders I need to tell a scene!"

He says he doesn't know how many renders he will need to make the scene because quality is what he focuses on. So he may need ten renders to tell a scene, and he may need 1000 to tell the scene so the quality doesn't suffer. How do you convince him that he can get by with a quarter or half the amount without the quality suffering? He commented, I believe, on Patreon about the renders. Someone asked him why he couldn't use fewer renders on one of the updates as they could show what renders he could take out, and he responded with, and I'm paraphrasing here, Show me what renders I can do without, and I'll tell you why I need them.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

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A pretty tough first truth question for Dylan straight away. He is literally spoiled for choice. With his decisions, he can influence the further course of the evening.

Here you also have an explanation of why this event, among others, is so elaborate and complex with so many renders. To make it as realistic as possible, I let you as Dylan decide which girl you take when the bottle hits him. So I have to develop one truth and a couple of dares for all the girls or some of them.

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[GingerSweetGirl]

Sound advice but he's been receiving similar, (unrequested) feedback for at least as long as Dylan has been the MC & probably longer. (It's been too long to recall accurately). Oddly, perhaps, I genuinely understand his wish to work alone but at the same time have perceived for years that it's not really working out, as have many others. Maybe that should be that it's not working out for fans. He might have reached a conclusion that things need to change, e.g. the possibility of deleting the side-jobs but everything that's ever been done to speed up has had the opposite effect, sometimes exagerratedly so.

I was so keen for him to have an editor that I volunteered to attempt the role for free. [I did edit a local paper for a time, to a deadline & I've helped to script a well-known porn story but I'm not an editor]. He really needs a professional, who should ideally not be a fan but see things from a neutral perspective.

I don't play the incest routes because they don't interest me but couldn't help but see the last 2 Dylan updates via teasers & comments. There was no need for a visit to a restaurant, or a nightclub, just as there wasn't a need to have 2 mother & son submersions in water. If I can see that, I tend to conclude that the Dev can. I believe he enjoys padding out events, even when they're as ludicrous as the nightclub scenes. Time will tell, whether his side-lining of the original MC will sharpen his focus & increase his efficiency, now that AWAM is about Dylan. I don't care personally but I'm certain that Dylan followers will.

I know you know this already, but until he trusts someone to read the entire script at once, no editor can help him. His system of giving previous editors one or two sentences at a time was madness. LP is just a crazy person who makes good smut.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

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A pretty tough first truth question for Dylan straight away. He is literally spoiled for choice. With his decisions, he can influence the further course of the evening.

Here you also have an explanation of why this event, among others, is so elaborate and complex with so many renders. To make it as realistic as possible, I let you as Dylan decide which girl you take when the bottle hits him. So I have to develop one truth and a couple of dares for all the girls or some of them.

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No no no no no no no no

Omg this is insanity. This isn't something to be proud of. You aren't making the game better, you simply have no sense of project management. You don't need to say "yes" to every ambitious idea that pops in your head.

Also, that isn't how spin the bottle works. It also isn't how Truth or Dare works. It's like LP has never actually played these games.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

No no no no no no no no

Omg this is insanity. This isn't something to be proud of. You aren't making the game better, you simply have no sense of project management. You don't need to say "yes" to every ambitious idea that pops in your head.

You just had to slap me with a facepalm on my post. Also, did you see the deck of cards there too? Strip poker later?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

You just had to slap me with a facepalm on my post.

Sorry but it was the only response that made sense.

 

[Talcum Powder]

This is so dumb and so unoriginal and so banal.

"I let you as Dylan decide which girl you take when the bottle hits him. So I have to develop one truth and a couple of dares for all the girls or some of them."

Why, bro? Two of these girls we know nothing about, one of these girls we only care about because ... wait, why do we care about Christine, exactly?

I'll stop feigning outrage now and accept that this surprises me not one bit. We've been told for years that it absolutely has to be this way. These renders are absolutely neccessary to tell the story. The bonus story, I guess.

 

[palmtrees89]

People focus on the raw number of renders or how many renders per day. That isn't as important as how efficiently they're used.

The raw numbers are becoming more and more important as L&P is producing less renders every single year while on the other hand creating inceasingly large events. So, even if he were to use his renders more efficiently, he'd still make less story progress over time. While I'd agree that he should be more efficient with the renders he produces per year, producing 30% less renders per year isn't helping either.

LP comes off poorly as always, but there are legitimate reasons for him to not hire anyone for art.

No, he doesn't come off poorly. He's straight up lying for years and he's acting like a massive prick. No need to sugarcoat it. How many times did he lie about finding help? Be it writer, artists, whatever you name it. The mysterious "animations helper" who simply doesn't exist, which the current cycle is supporting that theory considering how absolutely nothing is happening on that front.

His latest excuse is the Steam release and how he's gonna "build a team with the profits from Steam". How many more times does he have to tell his supporters about finding help, how many different excuses and lies does it take for people to realize that's just what he is? A liar.

A liar creating top-notch art, but still a liar.

Cheers

 

[@vaultx]

I'm interested in making some renders/pictures like this game. What application should I use? I'm a total beginner and I want to learn. What application does L&P use?

 

[MaliPizdek]

love it

 

[Alley_Cat]

I'm interested in making some renders/pictures like this game. What application should I use? I'm a total beginner and I want to learn. What application does L&P use?

Daz Studio. Any other questions should probably be asked in this thread.