VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.211] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Always!

It's not in your sig, that's all, so I didn't know. Whereas it's been in mine for a number of years. Or like those such as farrah who have Sophia and Ellie in their profile pic.

But then I'm hoping many of her fans will return after this update, since Dylan day will be over and the next update will be an Ellie route event.

 

[Savilesavile]

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Omg my 1year and a half son will go to school before Sofia will have a 3some

 

[tofhdns]

karleston, This guy is such a weird guy.

This guy said he would leave the forum and then left but continued to wander around.
And even if I say something insensitive about developers, this guy shake facepalm.
As if he was telling me to look at him.

“It’s funny, but I don’t like guys. So go hang out with someone else!”

You can't write, you can't leave, all you can do is facepalm... What's wrong?
You look pitiful now.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

karleston, This guy is such a weird guy.

You can't write, you can't leave, all you can do is facepalm... What's wrong?

 

[McZoy]

Omg my 1year and a half son will go to school before Sofia will have a 3some

Probably to a business school

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Probably to a business school

San Alejo University

 

[HanSolofan]

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If you blow the image up and look at her right ankle, when did her tattoos move from her hand to her ankle or has it been so long since I’ve seen a picture of Ellie that I forgot where her tattoos are?

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

 

[DarthSpitz717]

He always tries to have plausible deniability (wrt Patreon's rules) when it comes to character's ages as he said here (2017)

What we know from the story as it has been told so far (in the future we can expect adjustments) is that Dylan is one year younger than Ellie and that she is going to high school

"This is Elizabeth (everybody simply calls her Ellie), Sophia's and Liam's gorgeous, sweet daughter. She's slightly more than a year older than her brother and..."
...
"She's going to be going to a high school at the other end of the city, which has one of the best football teams in the state, as well as a great cheerleader team!"

and she is going to college next year

s "So, this is my daughter, Ellie! She'll finish the high school in a few months and will be going to college! She's already got a bunch of acceptances!"

So while we have the relative age difference clearly stated there is never a clear reference to the real age in the text. Educated guesses set Ellie as a 18yo because of the reasons mentioned by Alley_Cat and other reasonable estimations that factor in Sophia's age and marriage date.

Last but not least, from v0.185 we know that Dylan is soon turning... 1X

s "By the way, your birthday's coming up soon."
...
dy "Mom, I'll turn 1X, not 7!"

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Plausibility of Ellie and Dylan's age

It easy to assume Ellie is a senior in High School... and her parents have given her a lot of freedom to make life choices. So how old is she? I'd have to say 18 and most likely she turned 18 in July or August just before the start of school. The only surprising fact not reveled is if either Dylan or Ellie have a driver's license.

Now it's possible Dylan is not a full year behind Ellie. Assume Ellie was born in August and Sophia got pregnant again December. That would still match up with him being a junior or one grade behind Ellie. Regardless Sophia could have been very busy early on in her marriage. However, the flow of the game might have all these activities occurring in September through January. Certainly, we have really no idea in what country this is all taking place in.

The drinking age says it's the US but where in the US during winter is it warm enough to sun bath or hang out at the beach? Hawaii comes to mind, but the local city has the feel of being a Chicago. I can't recall if Dylan plays football or Soccer...another give away as to location. Still fictional characters in a fictional country are just what it is.

 

[Alley_Cat]

If you blow the image up and look at her right ankle, when did her tattoos move from her hand to her ankle or has it been so long since I’ve seen a picture of Ellie that I forgot where her tattoos are?

Ellie has four tattoos. The stars on her hand, the stars on her right ankle, "★ Walk by faith ... one step at a time ★" on her left ankle and "She flies with her own wings" on her left shoulder.

Which have been there since the Ellie/Julia event.

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Plausibility of Ellie and Dylan's age

It easy to assume Ellie is a senior in High School... and her parents have given her a lot of freedom to make life choices. So how old is she? I'd have to say 18 and most likely she turned 18 in July or August just before the start of school. The only surprising fact not reveled is if either Dylan or Ellie have a driver's license.

Now it's possible Dylan is not a full year behind Ellie. Assume Ellie was born in August and Sophia got pregnant again December. That would still match up with him being a junior or one grade behind Ellie. Regardless Sophia could have been very busy early on in her marriage. However, the flow of the game might have all these activities occurring in September through January. Certainly, we have really no idea in what country this is all taking place in.

The drinking age says it's the US but where in the US during winter is it warm enough to sun bath or hang out at the beach? Hawaii comes to mind, but the local city has the feel of being a Chicago. I can't recall if Dylan plays football or Soccer...another give away as to location. Still fictional characters in a fictional country are just what it is.

Dylan isn't a full year behind Ellie. He's two years behind. One for being younger, and another for having bad grades. It's the bad grades and it risking Dylan's chances of getting into college that is meant to give weight to Sophia accepting Bennett's ultimatum.

And also why he's not in Sophia's class with Emma and Zac, even though they're the same age.

 

[DylansMoM_001]

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Huuuuuuuhhhhhhhh

 

[DylansMoM_001]

Well Ellie and Aimee are the most beautiful girls in that room so it's was nesseciry for L&P to make something out of it. I think dylan will have to kiss the winner of this Duel.
I'd love to see Ellie burning with jealousy

 

[DylansMoM_001]

Noticed how Ellie looks more like Patricia than sophia ?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Noticed how Ellie looks more like Patricia than sophia ?

Sophia even comments in the Ellie/Julia event how much Ellie reminds her of her sister.

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Ellie has four tattoos. The stars on her hand, the stars on her right ankle, "★ Walk by faith ... one step at a time ★" on her left ankle and "She flies with her own wings" on her left shoulder.

Which have been there since the Ellie/Julia event.

Dylan isn't a full year behind Ellie. He's two years behind. One for being younger, and another for having bad grades. It's the bad grades and it risking Dylan's chances of getting into college that is meant to give weight to Sophia accepting Bennett's ultimatum.

And also why he's not in Sophia's class with Emma and Zac, even though they're the same age.

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I completely forgot about that.... The problem with so lengthy updates is you forget about the really small details. So how does the boarding school route resolve Dylan's college future?

I suppose I need to start from scratch playing from the beginning and taking different choices. Because in theory Dylan should be in the boarding school and this slumber party event that is coming up wouldn't happen

 

[DarthSpitz717]

Well Ellie and Aimee are the most beautiful girls in that room so it's was nesseciry for L&P to make something out of it. I think dylan will have to kiss the winner of this Duel.
I'd love to see Ellie burning with jealousy

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Well I am not taking too seriously that this is the "conflict" that may shake up the plot lines between Ellie and Dylan, but it's possible...

Assume whatever battle occurs and Dylan is involved, it could have consequences. Personally from other spoilers I was thinking that a game of spin-the-bottle (lame as it is) is the trigger for something else

 

[Alley_Cat]

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I completely forgot about that.... The problem with so lengthy updates is you forget about the really small details. So how does the boarding school route resolve Dylan's college future?

I suppose I need to start from scratch playing from the beginning and taking different choices. Because in theory Dylan should be in the boarding school and this slumber party event that is coming up wouldn't happen

The boarding school path has nothing to do with Bennett's ultimatum. The boarding school is just on the outskirts of the city, so presumably outside Aiden's influence, but close enough that Dylan can come home during the weekends.

The resolution of Bennett's ultimatum is Sophia taking Dylan's test to the school board and complaining. She's already spoken to Mrs Torres and has a second opinion that Dylan should have at least got a passing grade.

The Bennett and Aiden blackmails are largely independent. You can send Dylan to boarding school, but still go on the "dates" with Bennett. Or tell him to shove it, but keep on the Dylan route and do Aiden's tasks.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

How so? It is easily argued that Ellie is at least 18, as I have done for years. Her tattoos are the simplest proof. The only people that argue that she is younger do so without any evidence from any reliable and confirmable source.

The only reason I see not to directly state Ellie's age is that since Dylan is about a year younger, if Ellie is 18, then Dylan is 17, so a minor. Above the age of consent in many places, but a minor nonetheless.

And the only reason to argue Ellie is underage being to undermine those like me that enjoy her route and adult LIs.

I hear talk of Dylan having a birthday party at some point during the game. I can only assume that's so he can have an 18th birthday by the time he gets his chance with Sophia. And since Ellie is older, she's also at least 18. 18 and 10 months if memory serves as to the minimum recommended time between kids.

He always tries to have plausible deniability (wrt Patreon's rules) when it comes to character's ages as he said here (2017)

What we know from the story as it has been told so far (in the future we can expect adjustments) is that Dylan is one year younger than Ellie and that she is going to high school

"This is Elizabeth (everybody simply calls her Ellie), Sophia's and Liam's gorgeous, sweet daughter. She's slightly more than a year older than her brother and..."
...
"She's going to be going to a high school at the other end of the city, which has one of the best football teams in the state, as well as a great cheerleader team!"

and she is going to college next year

s "So, this is my daughter, Ellie! She'll finish the high school in a few months and will be going to college! She's already got a bunch of acceptances!"

So while we have the relative age difference clearly stated there is never a clear reference to the real age in the text. Educated guesses set Ellie as a 18yo because of the reasons mentioned by Alley_Cat and other reasonable estimations that factor in Sophia's age and marriage date.

Last but not least, from v0.185 we know that Dylan is soon turning... 1X

s "By the way, your birthday's coming up soon."
...
dy "Mom, I'll turn 1X, not 7!"

Ok so I went back and looked.



So, based on how this works in America; if he should be in 11th grade, typically you'd be 16 turning 17. So yeah, like I said, he's 16 with a birthday coming up. So that means that Ellie is atleast 17, if not already 18. Yeah, she has tattoos, but frankly I think that's just dumb luck on L&P's part, I can't imagine he had any knowledge of American laws on the topic. But I think my point still stands: if L&P wants to get this game onto Steam then he needs to make sure everyone is of-age. He already has a ton of work to do to to bring the game into compliance, so introducing new friends, who are established as "in college", simplifies everything because they're definitely 18+. So it's just a little detail that will help him later on.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Ok so I went back and looked.

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So, based on how this works in America; if he should be in 11th grade, typically you'd be 16 turning 17. So yeah, like I said, he's 16 with a birthday coming up. So that means that Ellie is atleast 17, if not already 18. Yeah, she has tattoos, but frankly I think that's just dumb luck on L&P's part, I can't imagine he had any knowledge of American laws on the topic. But I think my point still stands: if L&P wants to get this game onto Steam then he needs to make sure everyone is of-age. He already has a ton of work to do to to bring the game into compliance, so introducing new friends, who are established as "in college", simplifies everything because they're definitely 18+. So it's just a little detail that will help him later on.

Except that this party is meant to be all cheerleaders in Ellie's team. So they all go to the same school. It's only Nat and Vicki that are "in college".

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Except that this party is meant to be all cheerleaders in Ellie's team. So they all go to the same school. It's only Nat and Vicki that are "in college".

They are? Oh I thought they were all peers with Christine who's in college.