n0b0dy

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Yeah I mean...it is great to go in depth and all, but you can't realistically expect people to keep pledging monthly to you if you are releasing something every 2-3 months and have 150 images for conversation type scenes that can be done in 10-20.

(unless of course you're making a yiff game)
I do not believe he decided to change the game because he thinks that is what his patrons wanted. The amount of money pledged to him was still growing steadily and most of his patrons seem actually content with the slower pace based on the comments on patreon. If he wanted to change it for the patrons he could at least have made a poll where they could let their wishes be known.

It seems more logical the developer is not content with the amount of money he makes (which I can understand looking at the quality of the game and the time the dev must be spending making it) and he hopes that by speeding up the game and focusing more on the explicit sexual content he will appeal to a broader audience and make more money. No doubt many of the comments on this page about the lack of sexual content played a part in that also.

The sad thing is of course (for those who enjoy some 'quieter human moments' in porn) he probably right and by skipping that kind of content he will appeal to more people who just care about fappin' and not what they are fappin' to like the majority of people on this website seem to be so you can hardly blame him for wanting to dumb the game down. Still a shame though :(
 

stoper

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@n0b0dy , most likely he himself understands that some of the renders and the fluff were a little stretched. He never said he's going to speed up the character relationships and the events.
Do you really think that guitar lesson and the gym scene were the right length?
Half of the former was literally a guitar lesson and half of the later was more of the same conversation between the prude and the open-minded sister that we've seen a couple of times already. There was no character development whatsoever. The pool scene was also very stretched, but at least there we got to learn more of the daughter's background and some world building.
 
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HaDenG

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100 pictures for the music lesson is not normal. this is a porn game. not life simulator.
btw i hope he knows that patreon doesn't like incest and underage stuff so he should change their names or something and post restoration patch here. if not his page can be suspended.
 
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stoper

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@HaDenG , he knows, I think he's hoping that he could fly under the radar. Time will tell. Besides the way his game is set up, a name change would hardly help.
 

HaDenG

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@HaDenG , he knows, I think he's hoping that he could fly under the radar. Time will tell. Besides the way his game is set up, a name change would hardly help.
probably not a good idea. a couple of reports from angry players or toxic creators and its all gone.
 

n0b0dy

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@n0b0dy , most likely he himself understands that some of the renders and the fluff were a little stretched. He never said he's going to speed up the character relationships and the events.
Do you really think that guitar lesson and the gym scene were the right length?
Half of the former was literally a guitar lesson and half of the later was more of the same conversation between the prude and the open-minded sister that we've seen a couple of times already. There was no character development whatsoever. The pool scene was also very stretched, but at least there we got to learn more of the daughter's background and some world building.
I did like the length of the guitar lesson and the gym scene very much. I think it is very important if you want to make a really good adult game to make it not just about sex but about people above all. And although sexuality plays a big part in who people are, it is not everything and a good adult game should pay attention to that. An adult game needs moments that are not just about sex but also show the other sides of the characters or they will become stereotypes that can not be perceived as real people as is the case in many adult games.

A scene like the guitar lesson is necessary to let the story breathe. It is a nice moment that really portraits Sams and Sophia's passion about music and a kind of chemistry between them that is not just based on their bodies, sexual attraction rarely is just that but that is forgotten is most adult games.
Without that guitar-playing scene you would see Sophia freaking out about the mother finding out her son saw her half-naked, Sophia's breasts being in the way of the guitar, and Sophia's but grinding against Sam's penis during the cello scene. Everything would be just sex sex sex. To much of a good thing is a bad thing, even in porn. The same goes for the other scenes as well, they need the characters being more than just sex-objects to keep them sexy and elevate the actual sexual content.
 

stoper

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@n0b0dy , no one's saying to remove the scene, the length is in discussion. And it's not about being a porn game, this applies to any type of story-telling. The guitar scene could be told with half the text and renders, without losing any of its meaning. Same with the gym scene.

And speaking of the gym scene, for all the talk of the developer and people here about realism and slow buildup, that scene was nothing of the sort. The instructor touching a woman's abdomen without asking, a woman he just met and who's visiting for the fist time? I don't know what kind of fitness centers you're visiting, but where I live this is the surest way to get yourself fired. And then a unisex shower? Really? And the most prude woman in the western world will visit such place? Yeah, right.
 

titokm10

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Ever thought about there is people that pay for the very same reason he likes the game? The "if no more boobs and pussy people will stop pledge" is kinda silly, because people are pledging at great length of what they seen so far. And tbh "the action" as you put it, have started, its just not delivered in the state of full frontal and up the shit shute...
Ok so maybe i didn't express myself properly im not asking for a gangbang in the next update im saying that there could be some groping and a full nude wouldn't be bad just to raise the level of sexual tension a bit, like her son spying on her in the toilet while she showers, the movers coming back to continue the conversation they were having about her sexy clothes and eventualy touch or rub one or more of them little stuff like that because waiting 3 months to see a womens butt its harsh and it makes it a bit boring i respect everyone elses opinion but i also believe in money for value for the patreons. Also quantity doesn't mean quality(music lesson renders) . The shit shute comment was a cracker though .
 

n0b0dy

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@n0b0dy , no one's saying to remove the scene, the length is in discussion. And it's not about being a porn game, this applies to any type of story-telling. The guitar scene could be told with half the text and renders, without losing any of its meaning. Same with the gym scene.

And speaking of the gym scene, for all the talk of the developer and people here about realism and slow buildup, that scene was nothing of the sort. The instructor touching a woman's abdomen without asking, a woman he just met and who's visiting for the fist time? I don't know what kind of fitness centers you're visiting, but where I live this is the surest way to get yourself fired. And then a unisex shower? Really? And the most prude woman in the western world will visit such place? Yeah, right.
Well I don't think the guitar scene is too lengthy, you need to give a scene like that a certain amount of time or else it is going to feel rushed. Now it felt at least somewhat like a guitar lesson and not just a plot device to get the characters to bone. I agree it is important for a story-teller to reflect if a certain part "adds" anything but I do as I believe I stated before I do think that guitar lesson has meaning because it let's the story breathe a bit while also showing Sam's genuine passion for music. I also did not find any part of the gym scene redundant, I really enjoy the interactions between Sophia and her sister and the yoga poses for example.

I do agree that the scene with instructor touching her like that or the unisex shower were not that realistic but they still feel a lot better than the average scene in the average adult game. I think when people praise the game for realism they praise it for realism in a relative sense compared to other adult games and not in a absolute sense.

Just my thought of course.
 
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stoper

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@n0b0dy , on par with the usual waitress being groped by a customer, or the boss asking for a document from the top shelf, I'd say.

Well, it was the sister who brought her there. I think in regard of the real world, unisex showers at a gym a bit suspect.
I'm referring to the fact that she will continue visiting the place.
 

Lust&Passion

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@HaDenG , he knows, I think he's hoping that he could fly under the radar. Time will tell. Besides the way his game is set up, a name change would hardly help.
Actually, I'm not hoping "to fly under the radar" cause I know that after some big games were banned from Patreon, my game could also become victim of that ridiculous new policy someday. But till it comes to the real "Patreon-not-compatible-scenes" it will take a while anyway! This is also a huge problem what's bothering me. I thought about it a lot. Actually, my Patreon site is absolutely G-rated and as less suspicious as possible. And it's also noted as an adult content site. My game has also nothing to worry about at this moment and in comparison to the banned games, my game is not exclusively about incest! For example "Summertime Saga" has also incest content (and a MC teen who's not much older than Dylan or Sam in my game) but not exclusively, and it seems not to have any problems with Patreon. The only way I can think of to play it safe, is to release two versions. One censored for Patreon, where all the "Patreon-not-compatible scenes" are pixelated. And release an uncensored version on my little website. The only problem is how to inform all my patrons where to get the uncensored version behind Patreon's back? And also the pledge rewards are a problem because currently for the highest pledge you will get the newest version 8 days earlier. But if it's on my site for free, people got a great reason more not to pay that much. And without the sufficient support this game can't survive very long anyway.
On the other hand is the big question: what is incest in Patreon's eyes? Incest is defined as the "sexual activity between family members or close relatives". But where does it start? Is seeing each others naked already incest? Or does it start from touching each others at the intimate zones (breasts, (butt???) vagina/penis)? So, which scenes should I pixelated later?
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What concerns the realism of this game. 100% realism would be very boring cause that would mean sexual activity only between wife and husband and nothing else around it would happen! Maybe one cheating scene and divorce as an answer as a bad ending. And I don't think that anyone is really interested in that!
1) That an instructor touches someone's legs or belly during an exercise is absolutely nothing really unrealistic! I'm studying sports among other things and there are some courses where we also have to help girls in partner work by holding their legs or touching their waist. Yeah, in the gym scene it's maybe not common that an instructor would touch a new customer's belly but it's also nothing completely unrealistic. After all Sophia could tell him immediately to take his hands off. Really unrealistic in this scene would be if the instructor would hold her breasts so that they don't move that much while practicing.
2) And the "unisex shower scene" wasn't planned like that. Cause many complained about too less nudity, and the shower scene was the last logical possibility in this update, I had to think about a scene how Sophia could see her sister naked the very first time as an adult. And after all there are unisex restrooms in the US, so why not an unisex shower room WITH SHOWER CABINETS with a curtain, in an adult game???
I think there are much more unrealistic scenes in games out there!
 

Ignazzio

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About Patreon issue with incest the case is it doesn't matter what's our opinion on it. They can ban you at any point without a reason. SS might still be there while other games with less incest content will be removed. They're not objective and they don't have to. I doubt it's the case right now but it might surely be a problem at some point. Maybe title change would be sufficient but I doubt content has to change at this point
 

stoper

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@Lust&Passion , I doubt they'll bother you for anything less than a serious sexual activity - handjob, blowjob, sex. Putting lotion on your daughter's ass is not incest by any stretch of the imagination. Then again, if all the light prelude is obviously pointing to something more, they may get an issue with that.
Letting people know about an eventual patch or an incest version is easy, you'll just make another account or ask people to post the link for you. Unless Patreon starts bothering people who link to such content (which is rather logical step for them, but I haven't heard of such cases).
If it was me, I would've removed the incest content entirely. Your game is good enough to attract supporters even without that stuff. But it's obvious that incest means easy money, so I understand why you would want to keep it...

The instructor could've been more subtle, it felt like a straight groping out of nowhere. Not a deal breaker in any case, I just expected a more clever approach to these situation, seeing that you pay much attention to character development and relationships.

A restroom is a different thing, you don't walk half naked in those. Why did you need the guys anyway, she could've reacted the same way to women, considering how prude she was in front of her own sister? Unless you have plans for future events there. But even in that case there are much better ways to tackle it, imho.
 

Joi_fan

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@Lust&Passion Keep an eye out on Mr Dots, he had to remove Dating My Daughter from Patreon, but he's in talk for a replacement and eventually will continue the game. I hope you guys (devs) find an alternative to patreon and all leave them.

@stoper I really hope @Lust&Passion doesn't remove incest, I want Dylan to have fun with mom, sister and aunt.
 
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@n0b0dy Truth is the guitar scene could've done with half the renders and half the explanations and it would not have taken away from the scene. This is not a triple A game for the developer to go out of his way and put an insane amount of renders in scenes. People are giving money for the game and the developer should give them a bit of what they want. If he treats them like shit like you suggest then he'd lose patrons and the project will be abandoned. There is a balance that needs to be met and people like you are not equipped to understand it.
 

Lust&Passion

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@Lust&Passion Keep an eye out on Mr Dots, he had to remove Dating My Daughter from Patreon, but he's in talk for a replacement and eventually will continue the game. I hope you guys (devs) find an alternative to patreon and all leave them.

@stoper I really hope @Lust&Passion doesn't remove incest, I want Dylan to have fun with mom, sister and aunt.
I also don't want to remove it cause I got some really nice story lines with Ellie and Dylan. The point is to find a way to do it behind Patreon's back. I will definitely have to remove the scenes from the game versions which I will upload on Patreon and upload the uncut versions on a little website for example. I think paypal is the problem why Patreon suddenly acts that annoying. They're forcing Patreon to remove sites with that content. And an own crowdfunding site for adult games would be nice of course!
 

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A gym with unisex showers?! Someone give me an address. I suddenly have the urge to work out. XD
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