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VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

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jaredhsieh65

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GingerSweetGirl said:
There's an inherent conflict in his storytelling. He wants to tell a believable story of a good, straitlaced, woman's corruption. But it has to happen over (roughly) 30 days. Therein lies the original flaw of the story. How do you tell a believable story of corruption when the woman starts very sexually conservative (not a nun, but definitely conservative) and you only have 30 days to corrupt her? Oh, and you want this to be an incest story?

That kind of story would be hard for even a professional writer, and L&P is definitely an amateur. That isn't a criticism, it's just acknowledging the truth- it doesn't make him a bad guy. Story progression/pacing has been very uneven; when it's good it's really good, but for some characters/storylines there has been very little progression despite years of effort. Since we're now on day 12 (roughly into Act II) I do believe that the story is gaining some momentum, but man...it's taking a long time.

And that leads me to the elephant in the room- the development cycles. L&P is trying to tell a story of believable corruption, from a sexually conservative woman, over 30 days, which will lead to her cheating and/or engaging in incest, while releasing updates two or three times a year. That is a brutal combination. Each update needs to simultaneously move the story quickly to meet the 30 day deadline, while moving it slowly to maintain the image that a woman like Sophia wouldn't cheat overnight, all while releasing a 45 minutes of gameplay update ever 4+ months. The most professional writer in the world, with the best organization, would struggle to make this work.
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Tactically... You are accusing the Dev can't do composition an article about porn story or basic novel....
And... that's so true , most dev spend time on CG and programming , they don't have time to do that.
 
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no way the side quest was the best thing.. the aiden one was kinda mehh
 
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GingerSweetGirl

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There is a little something called suspension of disbelief, not everything in a story needs to be extremely realistic to be believable or enjoyable, but L&P totally breaks that. He wants things to be realistic but goes on to progress the story with things that would be unrealistic first.

Like I mentioned the MC has by far the most content with her daughter, followed by the son, but has a hard time even thinking about doing something with another character who is not related to her.
Now if you want to tell a realistic corruption story of a conservative woman, you don't start first with the thing she would never do and the go on to have her be conflicted about stuff she would "realistically" do first.

That's like having your character kill someone, but then have them be conflicted about hitting an asshole. Essentially giving them the courage to do something really big and the take it away for smaller stuff.

One does not need to be a professional writer to see that, that is terrible story telling.
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You do realize that we mostly agree, right?

I think L&P justifies all of the content with Ellie with Sophia convincing herself that it's all innocent. It of course isn't, I've never showered with other women like she has with her daughter, but that's exactly the suspension of disbelief you're talking about. I think the real crack in Sophia's armor is exploited by Patricia- and that's what makes other things possible with other characters. But I tend to agree that it would have made more sense for someone like Sam to progress more quickly as a way of really expanding Sophia's corruption. While I do believe Dylan will be the last character to have sex with Sophia, how we get to that point seems unclear to me. Sophia will need to sleep with at least one other person (besides Liam) before she will ever consider Dylan. The timeline for that happening, and then getting to a point where fucking Dylan makes sense in her head, seems murky to me. At some point some big jumps are going to be made- whether they make sense or not.

My point about a professional writer is that there are a lot of balls in the air, and a very narrow timeline for catching them all. A writer would need exceptional organizational skills to make all of these storylines work and make the storytelling good. L&P, like 99% of writers here, could use some help in the organizing department because, as you said, the story's progression is really messy.
 
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Voyeur92

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What the heck!!

Just a few scenes.
1. Went to kids to teach and used them as real life models to teach about penises.
2. Selected a bridal dress.
3. Went to pose naked for art exhibition for Aiden.
4. Comes back home and that's all, end of update...

Sophia will go on to jog with Sam only IF Sam has more than 52 points, which as per walkthrough is impossible (Max possible is 47)!!
Seems like there is a cheat code for paid patrons to use and be able to ramp up Dylan's points and play the game, with each patron having their own unique code so that Dev can find and weed out the "rat"!!


Or is it not the complete version??
 
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I am the Rat said:
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I know that many who just signed in, have certain "questions" and don't understand a few things. Why I don't answer you right now is, because some of these "new supporters" have only signed up to share my game on a pirate site! A site where 95% of the "users" sling mud at me and my game!
This is my way to protect my work for at least a little bit and reward those who are supporting me faithfully and not just come by here when a update is out!

I'm sorry for those, who're new and actually don't want to share my game but only wanna play it themselves. But you knew that the game was about to be released and could join in earlier!

And as I can see, my method was a success until now, since it was still not shared!
To protect my "special teasers" in future from pirate sites, I will also create a private circle on my Discord server where I will only invite supporter who I can trust and who're supporting me the longest. Regular teasers will be still shared here on Patreon. I wouldn't have to do this, if special human beings here would have a little bit repsect to accept that if I ask to not share a certain teaser please, they also shouldn't do it!

Future update releases will also come out on this private Discord channel first and only the second day on Patreon.
I'm really sorry for this and sorry for all those who're actually honest persons. But what's happening since a year on pirate sites where people absolute don't understand and only bringing it into derision, how much effort has to be put in in such a project (which you only need to ask those devs who're also doing it professionally) and that since January I hadn't 1 single day free! Plus this game is a matter of the heart for me and the more I'm annoyed by such special human beings who offend me the whole time but then want the new updates immediately and for free, as soon as they're out!

So, I had to show some kind of reaction! I will still start answer on your requests again today. Then this post will also be deleted since it's just a current information.
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WTF? I can understand that it is not cool when someone who don't pays for it gets the update on the same day as an 40$ patreon, but he is handling it very poorly.

Every game, song, movie etc. finds his way to a pirate site, there isn't much you can do about it.
Because there is a high demand for this game,
no matter what you do, it will find it's way to get leaked.

And also it helps for your game to get attention.
Why should an artist post his music on youtube, if everybody can just download it them for free?
Because with youtube you can reach many people. And it is the same with this page.
There is a benefit of it, and L&P should see it this way to reach more people what he couldn't do with other pages.


L&P goes in a dangerous direction. He's brushing aside all negative comments, whether constructive or not, and semms to live in his own bubble, where everybody just blindly support him and praising his game without any complains.
Yes, there are cancer comments, but he should learn to ignore them and not getting furious of every single of them.

And that there are so many comments of this kinds is also partly his fault.
I haven't seen it in this amount than in other popular threads.
They are criticizing the slow update policy and the blue balling, which they are allowed to, but he feels insulted by this. Also he's handling his communication very poorly.

He should take a step back and try to relax a bit.
L&P has a great amount of supporters and shouldn't disrespect them with his impulsive actions.
 
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Voyeur92 said:
What the heck!!

Just a few scenes.
1. Went to kids to teach and used them as real life models to teach about penises.
2. Selected a bridal dress.
3. Went to pose naked for art exhibition for Aiden.
4. Comes back home and that's all, end of update...

Man, those throwing money after this game really need to reconsider.

Or is it not the complete version??
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Pliss you share photo spoiler...
 
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