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VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

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Skylaroo said:
The main problem with this is that you're ignoring the fact that the game has been in development for close to 5 years and we are not even at halfway point. Wider story, slow burn, or whatever we want to call this pace of progression is fine in theory, but it has to be balanced and well thought. If it takes 10+ years for L&P only to tell a 30-day story, that's either poor management (biting more than they can chew) or milking (if being spread out on purpose). Neither of them is good.

I maintain the idea that L&P could've used an editor in his team to trim the unnecessary bloat in the game. Trimming the bloat doesn't change the game into "a quick fix lame porn game". It simply streamlines the plot progression into something that fits more into L&P's development capacity.

An easy example of what to trim is the amount of branches in the game. L&P needs to have a vision with what story he wants to tell rather than to constantly give options for everything. I'll use Aiden as an example here. Aiden is 100% an optional character. If we take his deal, L&P will need to create multiple tasks from Aiden, multiple ways of what happened during those tasks, and multiple ways to end the Aiden plot. Of course, L&P also needs to create alternate story if we don't take Aiden's deal, in which case all of the work done for Aiden is now 100% meaningless because the players didn't see it.

This very simple branch of Aiden YES/NO suddenly blows up into tons of different things because L&P tried to tell too many different stories.

Having multiple options in the game is doable, but if L&P wants to go with quantity in offering tons of choices for the players, then these options need to be in smaller scale dead end options instead of options that would offer even more choices. Not everything has to offer choices. There is no game where "less is more" is more fitting than AWAM.


I'm actually the opposite. I think L&P could've easily doubled his patrons had he created a better product with more sensible pacing. This game is one of the biggest missed opportunity IMO.
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For your information, I've already criticised the outrageously slow pace of the game (many times), how L&P needs to delegate, cut branching, how he's failed to develop scenarios adequately. Maybe you missed it.
In addition, these have been discussed SO MANY times on this forum it's getting tedious.

Maybe the penny hasn't dropped for you and countless others, so I'll make it clear.

L&P won't change or be persuaded, the success of AWAM is something personal to him. He's got the punters exactly where he wants. He knows they'll be coming back for more, including those bleating they won't.
The promise of erotic sex is very persuasive. And as L&P waves the carrot under their noses they'll dutifully follow.
Just gauge the reactions on this thread already, yours included. Good or bad, they're here falling over each other to get published, people as much enraged as enraptured by this game falling short of what they demand. Exactly the point I was replying to.

You are maybe forgetting L&P holds the reins here. I fully expect to see patron numbers soar after this update, with the same kind of euphoric response after the next one, and the next after that. L&P has turned this game into a cult, made few mistakes, and been handsomely rewarded.
Maybe you don't agree, well we'll see, and if I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up.
 
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ancienregimele said:
Yes, you do, just as I miss a huge chunk by avoiding incest at every possible opportunity. Choices are a feature of this VN but fans still get outraged by the very fact that somewhere, someone can take a route that leads to something they would have found repulsive, had they themselves stumbled upon it.

I've gone over the moral aspects so many times on this thread & may do again but basically we just have to live with the existence of fantasies we don't like & try to miss or ignore what turns us off. Alternatively, as I've done several times elsewhere, stop playing & delete the game.

Right now I'm more interested in trying to find out if there is, or will be, any reaction by the Dev to the mixed reception Part 2 has received. Experience & past evidence would suggest there won't be anything substantial, or beneficial to development. All the advice & feedback that has been posted over the years may have made some small difference, for all I know but what's needed is an obvious step change or three.
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This isn't a fair criticism of the anger over certain content. It's one thing to come into a game and avoid the content you don't like. It's a totally other thing to run into objectionable content that you didn't expect and weren't prepared for. If L&P wants a game that includes rape and Shota content, fine, but he should be upfront about that. The Shota content especially was unfairly thrust upon players who didn't expect it. Personally, I never would have started the game if rape and shota had been included in the tags from the beginning. So it's kinda a slap in the face to throw it into the game after four years of development.

I know that L&P has said before that there won't be any sexual violence towards Sophia, but I think that statement is highly suspect at this point. And that worries me.
 
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Maybe the penny hasn't dropped for you and countless others, so I'll make it clear.

L&P won't change or be persuaded, the success of AWAM is something personal to him. He's got the punters exactly where he wants. He knows they'll be coming back for more, including those bleating they won't.
The promise of erotic sex is very persuasive. And as L&P waves the carrot under their noses they'll dutifully follow.
Just gauge the reactions on this thread already, yours included. Good or bad, they're here falling over each other to get published, people as much enraged as enraptured by this game falling short of what they demand. Exactly the point I was replying to.

You are maybe forgetting L&P holds the reins here. I fully expect to see patron numbers soar after this update, with the same kind of euphoric response after the next one, and the next after that. L&P has turned this game into a cult, made few mistakes, and been handsomely rewarded.
Maybe you don't agree, well we'll see, and if I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up.
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I'm not saying that L&P will change. I personally knew how stubborn he is from the very first version of this game. What I'm disagreeing with you is where you made it sound like AWAM is an amazing thing to showcase L&P's success as if it's this is exactly what he wanted to happen. My point is that AWAM is one of the biggest missed opportunity where this game could've easily had 4000+ patrons had it been managed better. This is definitely a controversial game with 4000+ pages of discussion but only 3.5-star rating. The game has a lot of players, and L&P failed to capitalize the opportunity where all the players are his potential patrons but many chose not to.
 
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Skylaroo said:
I'm not saying that L&P will change. I personally knew how stubborn he is from the very first version of this game. What I'm disagreeing with you is where you made it sound like AWAM is an amazing thing to showcase L&P's success as if it's this is exactly what he wanted to happen. My point is that AWAM is one of the biggest missed opportunity where this game could've easily had 4000+ patrons had it been managed better. This is definitely a controversial game with 4000+ pages of discussion but only 3.5-star rating. The game has a lot of players, and L&P failed to capitalize the opportunity where all the players are his potential patrons but many chose not to.
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Thanks for prompt reply and courtesy, and I'm sympathetic to what you say. As for stats, predictions, what-ifs, we both know this is speculative. Maybe L&P is content with his methods and relative success, who knows? Not everyone measures success by how many, how much in the American way.
I think it's fairly obvious by now he's not a 12hour/7day a-week man for AWAM. Even devs need a life!
It IS good to know he looks from time to time at this forum, so perhaps not entirely irreconcilable or immoveable.
 
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derek1957 said:
Here is my initial review of the new releases. Do not read if you haven’t watched the new events, or if you don’t give a damn about my smug personal opinions. For now I’ll try to refrain here from giving my predictions on how the actions in these events will affect future events.

First off, AWAM has always batted about .500 with me, which in baseball and erotic fiction is an extremely high score and high praise. I’m very hard to please when it comes to erotica.

AIDEN’S FOURTH TASK: In summary, overall I found it quite erotic, somewhat on a par with other Task events. There were quite a few good renders, some good dialog, and it got me horny.

HALLWAY DIALOG – I liked the dialog with Aiden’s follow up explanations on the third task, as well as his cocky comments about seeing and touching Sophia’s body and how she seemed to enjoy it. Someday maybe I’ll post a list of my favorite lines from this event.

BRA REMOVAL – It was sexy to have a humiliated Sophia forced to show her bra and remove it right in front of her two smirking bad boy students, even if they never got to see her bare breasts. Aiden has seen them before, but Andre hasn’t. Unfortunately, Sophia is conveniently wearing a strapless bra which makes it much easier to remove it without her breasts flopping around in their faces. But I can live with that.

BRALESS AND SHOWING PANTIES IN CLASS – This was all hot, but not much advancement from Task 2. I’m okay with some repetition, if it’s slightly different and is sexy, especially since this was just a lead-in for the real task, but it would have been hotter if somehow her breasts were on more display than tasks 1 and 2, like her areolas could be seen through the fabric, or side boob or obvious jiggling or something. And rather than just showing her panties again, although it was sexy, I’d like to have seen a little more escalation; like the panty crotch was tighter or skimpier, or if she turned around and exposed her butt for a moment. It was kind of hoaky the way that Sophia is suddenly, “Oh, my skirt is accidentally pulled all the way up to my hips!” But since Sophia had to quickly create a new method of panty flashing without prior thought, I’ll go with it. So it was sexy, but the fourth-sexiest part of the event for me.

ZAC - I liked the idea of Sophia having to find a way to flash a bare breast to Zac; AND get Zac to feel it. I thought that was an original concept. Given a choice of any student, naturally she would choose the student who she has the most attraction to (not including her tormenters). The images were hot. I liked the way they were looking in each other’s eyes while Zac squeezed Sophia's breast. My favorite line is when Sophia is dangling her exposed titties in Zac’s face and asks, “Is something wrong, Zac?”

ANDRE’S BUTT GRAB – Hot images! I wish Sophia hadn’t slapped him so hard. I’d like to have seen Andre still smugly hold the “upper hand”. I love the renders of Andre smugly leering at her bare butt, while his dark hand squeezes her pale flesh.

In total, all of these degradations are starting to give me the feeling of the classroom becoming more of a free-for-all. More on that another time.


BONUS SCENE JEN – As for the animation; I’ve hardly played any other games, but I’ve seen a number of animations on video sites, and this animation definitely does NOT suck. In fact I thought the animation was very erotic, once the action really got going. The best stuff wasn’t in the teaser. If so many other games have animations, that sort of justifies L&P making the effort to include them here to keep up. The audio was decent, too. I thought it added to the scene.

As for the actual subject matter: I’m a long-time fan of non-consensual FANTASY sex; and love fictional fantasies of mature MILFs getting into it with teen boys and others. When I WAS a teen, a fiction scene like this would have really got me going, but I guess I’ve gotten soft in my old age, and I’m a bit squeamish seeing a teen girl in a non-consensual sex scene.

I still think that the major purpose of this event was to give L&P some practice with animations. When I thought that the teasers suggested that it would be a consensual scene, I was hoping that voyeur Sophia would have really gotten off watching the sex with her naked students, two of which had groped her flesh in the past couple of days. Sophia does think at the end that it was “kind of arousing” to watch. But without Sophia’s thoughts and reactions, and Jen being someone that I hadn’t paid any attention to before this, the event falls flat.

MORELLO – not much to it; except that Morello does suggest that Sophia might have to do a favor for him some day – as I once predicted he might.

DYLAN & ELLIE – Not much to say, it’s mostly setup. I’m glad that Dylan hasn’t really matured and that he tried all the same immature things with his sister as he did with his mom (And why not? he’s been quite successful with his mom!). I like the forced tongue kiss; and grinding his dick against his sister’s butt on the swing. As for Christine, as I’ve said I’m not much into vanilla teen-on-teen romance. Being a dirty minded guy, I didn’t see any clear proof that Christine was the one that put her foot on Dylan’s crotch. I still like to think that it was Ellie. I’m probably wrong.
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Great review, well written, thanks.
 
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Skylaroo said:
I'm not saying that L&P will change. I personally knew how stubborn he is from the very first version of this game. What I'm disagreeing with you is where you made it sound like AWAM is an amazing thing to showcase L&P's success as if it's this is exactly what he wanted to happen. My point is that AWAM is one of the biggest missed opportunity where this game could've easily had 4000+ patrons had it been managed better. This is definitely a controversial game with 4000+ pages of discussion but only 3.5-star rating. The game has a lot of players, and L&P failed to capitalize the opportunity where all the players are his potential patrons but many chose not to.
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Your comments are exactly why I disagree with all those who say L&P is 'milking' this. If a dev is in it for the money, he would shoot for zero delays and even more content, because that would get him more patrons.
 
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So, to summarize (sort of mixing my thoughts and what I find more relevant from yours):
  • Aiden's 4th task is good. As usual, he takes things one step further than expected and we can see how hot the result is but, on the contrary to what you said, Sophia recognized that she had actually enjoyed the task (we can certainly see how corrupted she is at this point). However there are a couple things that make no sense here:
    • Aiden's becoming too important in the story, way more than Patricia, which makes no sense. I understand patrons are probably asking for more tasks but, like it or not, this path is starting to be out of place.
    • It turns out that Sophia doesn't want Dylan to have to deal with Aiden not even with the help of his friends from the soccer team (I think he said that himself) but she allowed him to fight an adult in the previous update like it was nothing..
    • Based on how fast the sex part of the tasks is escalating, within the next few tasks we should end up seeing HJ/fingering/BJ and eventually penetrations. Is L&P going to turn Sophia into a slut/whore? Just having the chance to do that would be really disappointing, that would make AWAM a porn game and it doesn't feel like that.
  • Reducing the amount of renders is good knowing where the main problem of the game is (we all know). In some aspects I've noticed some similarities with the first updates of the game when L&P wasn't so focused on secondary details and there were faster transitions.
  • Animations are good but should be used in the right place. The 3some was only a way to add sex in order to keep people happy but at the cost of quite some effort as many renders were necessary to create these animations.
  • Leaving all the previous stuff away, the size of the updates is going to be reasonable from now on, although this change from part 1 to part 2 is a little confusing at first.
  • For some reason L&P keeps trying to open paths.. Why should we even have the choice to forgive Logan? Either Ellie forgives him or not depending of the story, period.
  • As time passes I feel more and more convinced that at the end of the game (in 20 years time more or less) we'll see a final dual incest 3some where Dylan will take Ellie's virginity.
  • Like it or not, v0.160 isn't far from a normal update in terms of size (maybe a bit smaller than 0.150 IIRC) and has also taken the usual time to be released so.. I guess you know what I mean, more fancy stuff (including the gallery, which is really welcome) but it looks like L&P is still going to take more than 1 year to move the story 1 day ahead :confused:. So welcome to the new AWAM.
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Aiden must become important because when it comes to these tags rape blackmail, he is the most suitable character. And of course in next few tasks, Sophia will have to be giving HJ Bj... After all, this is a adult game. All of that buildups serve this purpose. At this point of the story, i guess the next task is about sophia french kissing with aiden and realizing he is a good kisser.
The purpose of choosing elie forgiving logan is kinda predictable: she will fall in love again then wont involve in the incest relationship with her brother.
 
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kinda weird that none of her naughty actions inside the class room never got video'd and put on the net, guess cellphones in this world are just used for communication only :)
 
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mileyvirus said:
Am I doing something wrong? I imported my part 1 file and started part 2 and it had maybe 4 minutes of game play with a convo between sis and bro on a swing and then it said end of chapter and took me to the title screen.....that can't be it....right?
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mine was even worst, she woke up and tjen meet with the principal ,with Dylan, then it took me to the title screen...sad
 
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Thank you for taking the time to show me this. Sad thing is after all if the trouble of getting it set up , my update only had her waking up and going to the principals office with Dylan, then that was it, hope I didnt do something wrong , as it was quick update. but thanks again ~
 
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