- Thread starter CobraSGT
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- Dec 16, 2018
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Yes, but I meant between Sophia and Dylan.
He basically admitted he lied about having an animator when he called him a helper. Think of all the "helpers" he has. It's just people he requests a few things from time to time.obviously while the animator is working, L&P can't start the translation right?
If that. I'm still fairly certain that he doesn't have any consistent help because he doesn't want it. IIRC, he outright said he won't pay people a few years back. I wouldn't believe anything he said wrt development. He gives no reason to.
I think people meme and joke about it without ever really letting it set-in that his development timeframe for this VN is 20 years - at least. Basically, the time from the September 11th attacks to Covid is what he is insisting he needs to properly tell a story about a woman becoming a slut, lol.
It's such an ego and sense of self-importance to even think you need or deserve that much time to tell any story, let alone a porn story.
20 years, more like 25-30 total. Everyone reading this please add 25 years to your age right now and realize, sincerely, that this VN will finish around that point if it ever finishes at all.
So he NEEDS to hire people because it's just not viable or realistic.
If he maintains his current pace, or slows down, (bearing in mind he's talked about speeding up in 1-2 years time, which if it works like all the other times he's 'speeded up,' means another slow down), the forecast of 20 years should at least be doubled. He's under no obligation, or pressure to do anything other than carry on in the same style, for as long as he chooses.
Certainly, it would be unrealistic for fans of any game/VN to expect totally consistent quality & infallible timely delivery. We're all human & life happens. AWAM, however, represents a decline seen for only a handful of games, some of which did not survive. L&P can continue to please himself, secure in the knowledge that his creation has not only survived but continues to raise a good income, whilst being one of the most talked about & popular 3D games in the entire genre.
He may try to push the boundaries further, e.g. event-based updates were intended to deliver 1 per month, 12 per annum but instead are set to deliver 4 or 5 per annum, or 6 at best. Patreon numbers show no great decline in reaction to this, so why not produce even less to test the limits of what's viable? Continuation appears to be the main aim at present, along with the customary quality renders. Storytelling as an art, consistency, logic, coherence, a veneer of realism, immersion, class, originality & the unique approach that AWAM once had have disappeared, which indicates that they are not necessary.
Sometimes I wonder how many Patrons there are with so much cash to spare that they've forgotten they're still subscribed.
- Nov 22, 2021
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that few % of animation can take months to finish... never underestimate it...
I'm 35 years old, so, if this game finishes in 25 years I'd be 60, I doubt it because that's a long time, many people don't want to wait that long, that's like crazy
I've been his game from the start. I really like his graphics but especially that he develops his story so slowly that it handles a huge loss for him. In my opinion, he inspires a lot of developers with the various possible orientations of his game. At the same time, he assumes significant losses of income by stimulating us to look for similar to his game. Long live his creator and thank you for your speed of creativity you allow me to find fantastic new creators.
- Aug 23, 2020
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Oh, this is my favorite topic. I sincerely think that Patreon is a way for people to move/hide money as needed. I'm not necessarily suggesting that L&P is in on it, there's just sooooooooo much money being funneled into Patreon that it raises eyebrows. I don't know about AWAM, but from other creators I've spoken to (those that have what I consider large followings) the general consensus is that a huge minority or even slight majority of patrons never interact with what they're paying for. It's as if they're just giving money away. Speaking specifically about AWAM, at the start of every month there's the usual drop in patrons as people end their support; but I find it suspicious that by the end of the month the support has almost been perfectly replaced. Month after month this occurs.
The table below really makes me scratch my head. I'm not sure if it means anything, but what are the chances that in four out of the six months, the number of Patrons at the start of the month would drop to between 1637 and 1639 (with 1639 appearing twice)? Could be a total coincidence, but it's a heck of a coincidence. Every month he loses rough 20% of his patrons (between 18% and 23%) and yet almost always perfectly replaces them. In the five months from Oct to March, L&P "lost" 2,212 patrons and "gained" 2,225, a net gain of 13 patrons. That's remarkably steady. That means more than 4,400 patrons came and went in that time, for an account that only has ~2,100 patrons at its height every month. Does that strike anyone else as abnormal? I'd really need to compare it to other devs, but more or less L&P has seen 100% turnover in five months. Obviously he didn't, but it all seems like a lot of movement that always ends up being conveniently steady in the end.
Again, I'm not actually trying to accuse L&P of any conspiracy. I'm just pointing out that I think there's a lot to be suspicious about in terms of Patreon and its model. There's a lot of money being funneled through the website, and a very high rate of turnover.
| End of Month Peak (# Patrons) | Start of Month Trough (# Patrons) | Net Change |
| Oct 31st - 2016 Patrons | Nov 1st- 1639 Patrons | -377 |
| Nov 30th- 2148 Patrons | Dec 1st- 1637 Patrons | -511 |
| Dec 31st- 2083 | Jan 1- 1665 | -418 |
| Jan 30th- 2063 | Feb 1- 1639 | -424 |
| Feb 28th- 2120 | Mar 1- 1638 | -482 |
| March 30th- 2029 | Apr 1- 1622 | -407 |
A topic I also am interested in and a rabbit hole I went down was in the podcast/media Patreon world where word is that governments fund a lot of them and personalities that they feel help their interests.
Do you have a podcast that talks shit about your government or promotes ideals that are generally seen as outrageous? Governments will fund it under the guise of users. As you said, no interaction just money. If they stop making it the money flows because these Governments aren't paying attention to their thousands of $5 Patreon accounts. It's a front account that has a set account amount and each month it drops the money to the Patreons they added.
The proofs were everything from timing of subscriber spikes and the spikes in Patreons for people with similar creations.
Then some leaks came out of the Panama BS and some Wiki-lite shit that it's a form of black money ops/psych ops done by intelligence services and militaries around the world.
Wild stuff.
- Sep 23, 2020
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I haven't been following any games anymore except for two. Awam and Fashion Business and from what i have seen Fashion Business also loses subscribers in the same manner. the fall is more or less the same every month for them too and by the end of the month they get to where they were.
- Apr 7, 2018
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You seem to think that "new" patrons are different from "lost" patrons. At least a part of them are people who re-subscribe every month.
But if you take ICSTOR for example, I also find that really weird. Why people keep their susbscription or re-subscribe when nothing has happened for a long time? And how could you "forget" your subscription? They never check their mails or accounts
- Jan 25, 2021
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The benefit of subscription services for businesses is that people who pay a monthly subscription forget about it.You seem to think that "new" patrons are different from "lost" patrons. At least a part of them are people who re-subscribe every month.
But if you take ICSTOR for example, I also find that really weird. Why people keep their susbscription or re-subscribe when nothing has happened for a long time? And how could you "forget" your subscription? They never check their mails or accounts
There is a reason why operators allow you to play all movies and all games if you pay a subscription fee for the price of one movie ticket or the purchase price of one game.
they forget.
Like a communication fees and gym usage fees.
- Jul 17, 2019
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- Feb 25, 2022
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the wait is so high that when the update is released this thread will explode and crash the forum
- Nov 25, 2019
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We expect the most frequent excuse - my animator is ill, so the deadlines are delayed.
4 months for 1/10 of a day. Of course I understand everything, but interest in the game has already begun to disappear