VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[TronDeath1977]

One of the best games i played!!! Storyline - Excelent / Characters - amazing.
Looking foward for the next release and the one after that.

 

[Ignazzio]

Chillax man. No point in arguing with players. Different people have different expectations so you can't please them all. Especially here. Sometimes it's better to let them mumble. Game is doing spectaculary great at this point. 14 pages after a couple of days of 0.0.1 is a good indicator of popularity. Especially since many people wait for further versions before playing a game to see if creator is consistent. English is more than ok for a non-native. Many games here have it much worse so it's not a strong argument tho it's a proof that it's already considered potentially high-tier VN. Keep it up

 

[Darkarhon]

mother of all gods.

I love this game.

 

[omf1]

Any other games that reminds of this? Great game btw!

 

[srdjashin]

Ok this is my review of this game, sorry for not so great English language.
First i must say that i am amazed and impressed with this game. Quality of renders, models, details... all are over the top.
On down side i playing on old PC, so i must put down my screen resolution to be able to play without screen freezings, but that is my problem, so i can't complain.
Much more then anything i liked so far is pro writing, this game is story heavy. It is one of the rare games where i read whole story without constant skip. Scenes and dialogues are very mature and realistic. I was not forced to do anything against my will. All was my choices. I was able to play in honest way or to go to slutty path. But what impressed me much more is that characters have strong will. MC doesn't go down easy, she has strong will and sense about her family, duties as married woman and mother of two kids. Those first corruption/filth points you will got from her misunderstanding of situation, as example does guy trying to be nice with her or he tries to flirt. When she is clear that he is trying to flirt, she will act strong and remind him that she is married and not interested in more conversation with him.
Another important thing is that there is no always black and white answer, "yes" or "no". Example-when sister ask her would she have sex with those two guys that asked them for phone numbers, she say clear "no", but sister then ask her "imagine that you are back in college without husband and kids would you be than have sex with them?" she got two more options "no" and "maybe", and that "maybe" says a lot about her. It's not clear "yes" but she has some fantasy side of her persona.
Let's say a thing or two about many promising options, as example that downtown area populated with nasty gangs, or possibility about weird jobs, maybe modeling, porn actress, escort girl, prostitute and so on...also there is that weird scene in kitchen if correct options are chosen with that creepy guy Ivan and his friends that show he is interested in both mother and daughter. For me that was one of the most erotic scenes where she act a bit more slutty then anywhere in game, because she is a bit slow with scolding Ivan when he comment her daughter or her. In that part she is always two sentences slow to react on Ivan advances. I can only hope that later can lead to much more nastier dialogues and options with her and her daughter.
For a demo, there is a lot of content around 3-3.5 hours of playing if you read story. There is no raw porn content so far, just many erotic situations written and presented at high level. There is a hints about many promising outcomes in future updates if correct patches are chosen.
Great game, for me one of the best. I hope we can get another update before New Year.

 

[wewlad]

1) First of all, I will still mention that in my game too, you can skip every event by pressing and holding the "picture-down-key"! In this manner you could run through the game in under 8 minutes!
2) I respect you opinion but I have still to clarify some things - and please excuse my further rather aggressive tone:
but name me one game of this genre, which was made by an English non native speaker, that has a "Shakespeare-perfect" language and grammar? My dialogues are grammatically not perfect but they are entertaining and much better than in any game I've ever seen of this genre! And this was JUST A DEMO!!! And for me the language was never the most important thing in such a genre! And in all modesty, the English in my game is much, much better than 99% of those games! Cause I also studying this language by the way, but I'm currently only in the second semester! That's why I don't think that many of the non-native speaking devs, most of them Russians, got that language experience I do! My native language is German! And it's more than perfect! Furthermore I speak not bad french and good russian! How many languages do you speak?
And the intro was really the only part in the game I payed the slightest attention cause it's also the most unimportant part! And like I said: if I get enough support I will hire someone who will correct my dialogues and make them almost perfect!
3) And your opinion about the characters is your own opinion but it's just ridiculous, sorry. With such an attitude you can humiliate every character in every movie, game and song! I mean it's obvious that the characters had a life before the game starts, you realize that don't you? So, if the sister calls her brother a perv, maybe there were some situations in there earlier life which making her think so? Is that possible?
And that teens are not so reasonable like adults, especially between each other, especially between siblings, should also be rather familiar for you! Before the son called his sister a slut, she teased him the umpteenth time! And this situation was from real life, so don't act as if you are the prof of human emotions and behaviors and know how everything's going on on this planet!
And it would be not annoying, if the husband (Liam) would like the husband of his wife's sister? A guy who owes his enormous wealthy the heritage of his father, but boasting with it where he can, while Liam set up everything by himself!
And what concerns the mother and the very typical fight between siblings: couldn't she probably also being accustomed to it? Cause it is very obvious that sister and brother doesn't like each other not just since the flight! Remember, the characters had a life before the game starts! And, yeah I could do the game even more realistic and reasonable, but then it would have almost not a single erotically scene! And is this what you want from a game of this genre? Furthermore it IS even possible cause after all you decide what the MC will do. Theoretically you also could play the game reasonable without one single erotically scene! Have fun!
4) Furthermore I don't even get it what you are doing here in this forum with such an high expectations! Opinions have to be respected BUT after all this is a f***ing (choosable) sex game and not a Charles Dickens novel! And I've put an unbelievable huge effort in this project to finally create a more qualitative adult game with a good, slowly developing story! But what comes into your mind at first is putting me and my game down. But whatever! I hope there will be enough people who appreciate my effort and endeavor! Many of them here gave me a great feedback, and that's very pleasant to hear. I guess there are always people who have to nag about the smallest things! And here we are talking just about a demo version of the game... by the way!

Just ignore them dude. As a developer you'll need to spend your energy better and know what critiques are worth listening to and what aren't. A simple way is this:

1. Is it an objective critique (i.e Spelling)? You should take that onboard
2. Is it a purely subjective critique (i.e "I don't like the characters or MC")? You should still take it on board if a lot of people share the same opinion in that regard, but you should also take it with a grain of salt.

No need posting a huge paragraph defending your game against a guy who frankly, I don't think the game is intended for anyway.

 

[Lord Chickenwing]

After the first impression of the reviews, which were very positive for the most part, I have still some serious doubts about continue developing the game further on RPG Maker mv! Many just don't want to play it and support me cause it is developed on that engine what is really pity and disappointing after all the effort I've already put in! And it makes not much sense to put more effort in a game than any other developer but get almost nothing in return! Whereas developers with less effort, quality and story get huge support, only cause their game is not a RPG made one! For example "Big Brother" and "Dating my Daughter" are definitely the best games of that genre out there! But it's very obvious that they are extremely over-hyped and overrated (especially BB!) and get their high pledges only cause they are not developed on RPG (and probably got an male MC)! My goal was never to compete with their pledges. I just wanted to create my own, ambitious, qualitative game. But to continue working on such a high level is just impossible with only a 1/100 of their support what is not only totally unfair but absolutely disproportional! I need the money primarily for the hardware and equipment! Also to hire people to help me with the translation for example! For that I need at least to reach 10k-12k/month! That's absolutely enough for me and my project (while BB and DMD get easily 40k/months what is just ridiculous!)
So, I'd like to know your opinion: should I overwrite the whole demo on an other engine similar to DMD? What surely would take 2 months time cause first of all I'd need to learn it!

I really like the game how it is now and i dont have a problem with RPG Maker, and with a female protagonist, so i think you should continue making it. And i think yor patreon will catch up as well with time.(I will pledge). Sorry for bad English.

 

[Eye-switcher]

I dont know why alot of people came out to shit on this game, its no doubt that the developer is is very, very skilled and with a Little bit of Learning he will be even better. This easily better than the majority of the games on this site.
My advise to the developer would be not to argue with people who already had decided that they dont like the game and instead continue working on the game to make it how he wants it to be. You cant please everyone and you will only make youself a disservice if you try.

 

[Ignazzio]

As much as I love the premises of your game in RPGM and I would prefer to see it continued in that way, if your aim is pledge level above 3k$ RPGM won't make it in my opinion. Game is so heavy in storyline and renders it runs slow in comparison to typical VNs. And it's just 0.0.1 so further versions would be much less stable. Regardless of that there are other aspects that make it much easier to develop VN than RPGM such as save options. I would still pref RPGM as it has its merits and I like it but for a wider audience VNs are just smoother. Regardless of your aims it's basically sure that you will reach higher payouts in a couple of updates. Every player with enough experience here will tell you that. But 10K per month is a massive goal and in my opinion really hard to achieve. That's a pledge level of top devs on patreon - yeah, DoD, BB, DMD and SS have much more but there aren't many over 10k. To reach such a level you would need:
- way above average CGs - you're pretty good right now so in time you might do it easily
- gameplay or storyline unique to a whole market - that's something hard. All these games are so popular as they were first HQ games in a given playstyle or like DoD, DMD picked attention of growing incest genre. That's problematic as original, addicting gameplay is something extremally hard to get and whole incest theme is so overused it doesn't attract such an attention to gather over 10k$. That's just my opinion but with your current setting it's something like 8-9k$ for me. Still I find it possible that I might be wrong and you will reach it.
I wish you best and I hope you will develop it the way you find the most sensible.

 

[srdjashin]

They started from null, you are new, your game is new, i think be a bit more patient, advertise your game as much as possible, don't think too much about piracy - it's a way of free advertising. Who has the money he will pay, who don't have...well...someone earning 10000 per month, someone 200 per month. Beauty about piracy is that people will talk a lot about your game and the more they talk, better for you. Personally i'm going to recommend your game to everyone i know. Sorry i personaly can't suport you in monetary way, playing on crap pc, can't support myself...but will try to help on other ways. And if someone deserve support its you, and your game is even above DMD or BB, because of those realistic mature dialogs.
About engine hmmm it's not easy to know what is the best, look at the hummble expirience, elena's story or roundscape adorevia? They getting a lot, and all of them started from null, and all of them are done in rpg maker. My guess is that on renpy your game would be more fluid, but is it better to change engine...who knows?
If you keep the quality of game at this high level, ofc you will get much more at the time, also there is a one problem about your game, start is slow, what is great in my opinion, many just skip story to go to the porn pictures, maybe if you do some of them, as example, MC have at least one sex encounter with her husband or she spy on her sister or someone having sex, or scene with masturbation, BJ i think you will bring more people to your game. This - just to please those raw porn lovers.

 

[sharpys]

The long linearity and lack of freeform gameplay makes this title more suited to Ren'Py. Not sure why you're rendering this stuff on RPGmaker since this reads more like a visual novel with limited choices. If it was a true rpgmaker type game, I would be able to explore the city freely with time-gated events happening on certain days and certain hours of the week rather than jumping from scene to scene.

That doesn't necessarily mean you should quit dev'ing the game, I just feel you're exploring system concepts in this phase and I'm noticing the forced scene to scene transitions makes RPGmaker pointless.

Edit:
LoL at the NTR freakouts

 

[Nick Nosferatu]

After the first impression of the reviews, which were very positive for the most part, I have still some serious doubts about continue developing the game further on RPG Maker mv! Many just don't want to play it and support me cause it is developed on that engine what is really pity and disappointing after all the effort I've already put in! And it makes not much sense to put more effort in a game than any other developer but get almost nothing in return! Whereas developers with less effort, quality and story get huge support, only cause their game is not a RPG made one! For example "Big Brother" and "Dating my Daughter" are definitely the best games of that genre out there! But it's very obvious that they are extremely over-hyped and overrated (especially BB!) and get their high pledges only cause they are not developed on RPG (and probably got an male MC)! My goal was never to compete with their pledges. I just wanted to create my own, ambitious, qualitative game. But to continue working on such a high level is just impossible with only a 1/100 of their support what is not only totally unfair but absolutely disproportional! I need the money primarily for the hardware and equipment! Also to hire people to help me with the translation for example! For that I need at least to reach 10k-12k/month! That's absolutely enough for me and my project (while BB and DMD get easily 40k/months what is just ridiculous!)
So, I'd like to know your opinion: should I overwrite the whole demo on an other engine similar to DMD? What surely would take 2 months time cause first of all I'd need to learn it!

I'm personnaly fine with the game in its current state. I don't mind Rpgmaker as long as you don't have to walk for 10 minutes between each scene or do shitty sidequests (which isn't the case with your game). Also, I have the feeling that changing the engine when the game is already released could have a negative impact. Some people might think you are trying to "milk" them. But sure, the change could be good on the long term. Just do what seems to be better for you (also, yeah, I too think DMD and BB are overhyped), as long as you keep the same level of quality than in the demo, i'm fine with both Renpy, Unity or RPGMaker.

As for the female character, to be honest, I don't really care. IMO, it's good to see something else than a piece of shit goblin son with an arm as a dick, who wants and will manage to fuck every woman living, even if he has to drug or blackmail the girls (I don't mind it, it's just boring to see a lot of games like that). Sophia is a fine main character for what I saw.
And I'm pretty sure you already know that but it's your game and what you think is the most important thing. Listening to your patreons' critics is great but it's your game and I think you shouldn't change everything just because a few guys complained. It's the same thing with kickstarter, you give money to the developper because you trust him with his project, not because you want to change everything that you don't like.

They don't like RPGMaker ? There are a ton of renpy games out there, they should follow them. They don't like a female MC ? They should play and support games with a male character instead of trying to make a developper change his way of thinking.

Keep up the good work dude, you are off a great start and your patreon account seems to confirm that, you already have a lot of support (I will most likely join the backers next month) which means you made good decisions with your game.

 

[Bambino]

Well, I think is a very interesting project and I can see the hard work in it. The art is really good, even I would prefer that the bodies of the women were more diverse because most of them look like 100-60-100 or so, but it happens with 90% of this kind of games, so not a big problem. I like the M.C. a lot because I´m tired of playing with a man chasing young girls or a boy chasing MILFS as most of the games. RPGmaker or not? Well, maybe I would prefer Ren´Py or Unity, but if you don´t have to do long and boring walks with the character across the sceneries looking for the place you have to go for continuing playing (as most of RPGs), I´m OK with RPGmaker.

My main complaint is this: while playing the game, several times I have thought for myself "come on, go to the point at once". Some dialogues seem to me too long, and some scenes, unnecesaries for the story and therefore, a waste of working time.

 

[sfc]

After the first impression of the reviews, which were very positive for the most part, I have still some serious doubts about continue developing the game further on RPG Maker mv! Many just don't want to play it and support me cause it is developed on that engine what is really pity and disappointing after all the effort I've already put in! And it makes not much sense to put more effort in a game than any other developer but get almost nothing in return! Whereas developers with less effort, quality and story get huge support, only cause their game is not a RPG made one! For example "Big Brother" and "Dating my Daughter" are definitely the best games of that genre out there! But it's very obvious that they are extremely over-hyped and overrated (especially BB!) and get their high pledges only cause they are not developed on RPG (and probably got an male MC)! My goal was never to compete with their pledges. I just wanted to create my own, ambitious, qualitative game. But to continue working on such a high level is just impossible with only a 1/100 of their support what is not only totally unfair but absolutely disproportional! I need the money primarily for the hardware and equipment! Also to hire people to help me with the translation for example! For that I need at least to reach 10k-12k/month! That's absolutely enough for me and my project (while BB and DMD get easily 40k/months what is just ridiculous!)
So, I'd like to know your opinion: should I overwrite the whole demo on an other engine similar to DMD? What surely would take 2 months time cause first of all I'd need to learn it!

Well you ask for an opinion. So I will give it.

First off, as a creator never bitch about the attention others get. It just makes you sound jealous which is never a good thing.

Second, never make it so obvious you want money or how much. 10-12k a month. Well fine. My ten bucks are not going to do it so might as well not bother then.

Ditch RPG maker, a lot of games try it and as you note it does more harm then good for the simple reason that it often ends up being used as a poor mans visual novel engine with a ton of walking. If you want someone to support you, you are asking them to play your game again and again so to endless walk the same path over and over. Not fun.

But most of all, learn to edit. You got over 900 images. Big Brother is now close to a year old, many releases and it has just about reached that number. And in BB 900 images the MC fucked almost everyone. In your 900 images I haven't even seen a boob. Less is more. Cut 3/4 of the plane scene and you could still tell the same story and not have people speed click through it. It is a porn game, not a costume drama.

The renders are good, the character designs, the females at least are good and the writing while it drones on, has potential.

But for god sake, 900 images and not a single erotic scene. You are making a porn game right?

Female MC could work but your main audience is perverts. Right now your game is far from bad but it is also far from good. It is just mediocre. Yet another incest RPG maker game with a writer who needs an editor.

 

[CobraPL]

Well you ask for an opinion. So I will give it.

First off, as a creator never bitch about the attention others get. It just makes you sound jealous which is never a good thing.

Second, never make it so obvious you want money or how much. 10-12k a month. Well fine. My ten bucks are not going to do it so might as well not bother then.

Ditch RPG maker, a lot of games try it and as you note it does more harm then good for the simple reason that it often ends up being used as a poor mans visual novel engine with a ton of walking. If you want someone to support you, you are asking them to play your game again and again so to endless walk the same path over and over. Not fun.

But most of all, learn to edit. You got over 900 images. Big Brother is now close to a year old, many releases and it has just about reached that number. And in BB 900 images the MC fucked almost everyone. In your 900 images I haven't even seen a boob. Less is more. Cut 3/4 of the plane scene and you could still tell the same story and not have people speed click through it. It is a porn game, not a costume drama.

The renders are good, the character designs, the females at least are good and the writing while it drones on, has potential.

But for god sake, 900 images and not a single erotic scene. You are making a porn game right?

Female MC could work but your main audience is perverts. Right now your game is far from bad but it is also far from good. It is just mediocre. Yet another incest RPG maker game with a writer who needs an editor.

I don't agree in some parts. First of all, leave RPG MAKER, just dont make errors other devs made - avoid walking too much. Engine helps you showing world and pictures.
EDIT: Especially that changing engine now will cause delays and THEN you will loose patrons. I/we expect decent update, good p0rn

Secondly, leave these 900 images. It is quite long, some people like long. We have got easy to fuck games, your is something better/different. More like an erotic book rather than playboy magazine. Player can always skip dialogues...

I agree, that telling how much money you want is risky, but I can't tell you how much.

 

[Skylaroo]

Literally why are you playing this game then? it's clearly not designed for you as what you're criticising (besides spelling errors), are clear design choices by the developer. If you find every character annoying, including the MC herself, then why waste your time?

You do understand that the version we have is a demo and the one and only version out so far, right? If I didn't try the demo first, how could you expect me to form an opinion? I understand you love the game and that's fine with me, people have different opinions after all.

Go find another game, problem solved. People need to understand what are good criticisms (calling out the spelling/grammar for instance) and what are essentially, pointless critiques (wanting the developer to go against his own design choices).

This is the typical over defensive reaction. Where did I say I want the developer to go against his own design choices? I merely stated my opinion based on the demo I played. Just because I didn't enjoy the characters doesn't mean that I am telling the developer to change the characters, 'doh.

1) First of all, I will still mention that in my game too, you can skip every event by pressing and holding the "picture-down-key"! In this manner you could run through the game in under 8 minutes!

Okay, that's fine. It's your game after all. You can do whatever you want with it. I have no problem.

2) I respect you opinion but I have still to clarify some things - and please excuse my further rather aggressive tone:
but name me one game of this genre, which was made by an English non native speaker, that has a "Shakespeare-perfect" language and grammar? My dialogues are grammatically not perfect but they are entertaining and much better than in any game I've ever seen of this genre! And this was JUST A DEMO!!! And for me the language was never the most important thing in such a genre! And in all modesty, the English in my game is much, much better than 99% of those games! Cause I also studying this language by the way, but I'm currently only in the second semester! That's why I don't think that many of the non-native speaking devs, most of them Russians, got that language experience I do! My native language is German! And it's more than perfect! Furthermore I speak not bad french and good russian! How many languages do you speak?
And the intro was really the only part in the game I payed the slightest attention cause it's also the most unimportant part! And like I said: if I get enough support I will hire someone who will correct my dialogues and make them almost perfect!

Again, it's your game, you're free to do whatever you want with it. I just want to say that even native English speaker would proofread their work if they care about the quality.

Remember, the characters had a life before the game starts!

Then you are not doing a really good job of showing the "life before the game starts".

But what comes into your mind at first is putting me and my game down.

Please learn how to read. What I wrote at the beginning started with "It's definitely one of the better games out there and pretty much the best demo." What what first came to your mind was the criticism that I wrote afterwards.

And here we are talking just about a demo version of the game... by the way!

Which is exactly the part where the developer is supposed to be gathering feedback so they could get as many different point of views as possible to further improve their development. However, my impression of you is that you are extremely proud of your work and unable to face a single criticism regardless whether it's true or not. The easiest example is the "soccer court" where you said it didn't even exist while in reality it's in the game and proven. Then you changed your reaction into telling me that it's going to stay and just skip it.

The most disappointing part about this is that you have a great concept, the demo is still the best demo, but the attitude of the developer is definitely questionable. If you aren't willing to receive any criticism, I suggest to simply release the full game right away so there's no room for any changes in the product because it's already finished.

 

[Nick Nosferatu]

Yeah, one of the things I liked was exactly what SFC doesn't. A slow start isn't that bad, you built your world, your characters and you made me want to see more. Sure, there isn't sex but there are erotic stuffs (the basketball match against the neighboor with a lot of contact, the shower, the sister and what the main character wear, leggings and tight stuff) and it's a great way to appeal the player (at least, me). I mean, if it was like DMD or Dual Family which are blue balls simulator after 10 versions, I would complain but it's a demo, it doesn't need immediate sex.

 

[Ignazzio]

I don't agree in some parts. First of all, leave RPG MAKER, just dont make errors other devs made - avoid walking too much. Engine helps you showing world and pictures.
EDIT: Especially that changing engine now will cause delays and THEN you will loose patrons. I/we expect decent update, good p0rn

Secondly, leave these 900 images. It is quite long, some people like long. We have got easy to fuck games, your is something better/different. More like an erotic book rather than playboy magazine. Player can always skip dialogues...

I agree, that telling how much money you want is risky, but I can't tell you how much.

Pretty much this. Moreover biggest devs on patreon tend to develop erotic content slow as it's just more enjoyable that way and easier to gain some loyal patrons. Some players like fast gratification but overall I would say it's not something that can achieve financial success easily. At this point long, well developed story with hundreds of renders is a thing that gathers people in this game. Without it, it would be kinda mediocre

 

[titokm10]

@Lust&Passion please dont listen to the people who are complaining about your game, you are doing an excellent job as i said before i haven't seen a game this good before in my opinion its even better than big brother and dreams of desire which are excellent games too so please continue the game and don't get discouraged by the opinion of a few and dont let the opinion a few ruin a game that many of us are looking forward to. I aldo enjoy the rpg parts as it gives you the idea of the whole world the character lives in.

 

[DarkMask]

For only being up for two days, $529 in pledges is pretty good @Lust&Passion! Awesome job.

In regards to the RPG Maker vs Ren'Py debate, use whatever you want to. For my personal opinion, I do agree that you'd probably have better results with Ren'Py and an easier dev time as you don't have to make the maps, just use the images. It would also solve the issue with saving I've seen mentioned on here.

In regards to the story, its perfect and the slow build up is what drew me in, a good story is important and so if it takes time to get to the first sexual scene, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with a game that's gets the player quickly to the action but those are a dime a dozen.

In regards to the sheet amount of CG, I can see where some people are getting upset but I wonder if using Ren'Py would solve this as the transition time would be a lot less and much smoother. However don't feel pressured or the need to reduce the current images or the ones you plan to appease your audience.