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Alley_Cat

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she talks again in the first shower of day 10.
I don't get that scene, so I checked the code, and you only get that conversation if Ellie takes revenge on Dylan. And even then:

e "I'm telling you, Mom, even if the survival of the human race depended on it, Christine would rather do it with an orangutan than with Dylan!"

So that's probably not the best thing to bring up for Dylan/Christine shippers. It appears Dylan has a crush on Christine, but Christine doesn't think much of Dylan.

Is that the closest Dylan has gotten so far for getting a girlfriend?
 

Lord_Xanatos

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My initial route when I first played the game back in v0.8 was GW/Lesbian. I mainly play the Ellie route now because I find it the most interesting of the lesbian routes at the moment. But who knows by game end.

Does anyone know where the post is stating that the sex scenes in the Filthy route will come in the second half of the game? I'm still slowly going through the thread and I can't find it. The best I can tell at the moment is that it was an arbitrary assumption
I agree, who knows by the end game with all the branching from the paths and also what would happen with some characters if you don't follow their path, what will be their default ending without any interactions or development. I have no idea what will become of Ellie since I haven't done much with her, she doesn't meet Logan and she doesn't do anything with Julia or the other lesbian girl from her dance class that Sophia was eavesdropping before going back to Dylan's soccer match. So, if nothing is done then what would Ellie's end could be? Just as Dylan's or other characters if you don't invest in their paths. :unsure:

True but maybe you will have the chance with Alyssa and Zac later on
I hope so, the idea sounds really really good, it would be a surprise for Sophia but I also wonder if Dylan knew about it? if he doesn't know about it? and what will he do or say if he finds out? As well as for Sophia? what will she do? how would she react?.

On the other hand, even when/if she finds out and Alyssa & Zac have in fact something with each other, would it be consequential for Sophia regarding Dylan? OR it wouldn't matter because of her already ongoing feelings between them, that all it'll do for her is just knowing the fact that such a relationship is not far fetched as she would've thought? and just continue with her own feelings and relationship with Dylan. :unsure:

alyssa/sophie, alyssa/zac ,alyssa/Zac/sophie :unsure:
Definitely Alyssa/Zac, maybe Alyssa/Sophia but as for Alyssa/Zac and Sohia?!...no. He can't be THAT lucky hehe. Now if it is Alyssa/Zac Sophia/Dylan at the same time...well that's an entirely different thing, a Mother's & Son's foursome can't be that bad at all! hehe. :sneaky: :cool: (y)

Has anybody given any more thought to the side event?
If we do get a teaser, concerning the side event,since we have already seen Alyssa's place and of course Sophia's home.So could it be someplace that we have not visited yet,maybe Vicky.
I read from the first pages that L&P wanted to do a side story where he switches the characters with either Liam or Dylan and he said much later, maybe things have changed in his plans but if that hasn't changed then maybe a side story that we could play as Liam or Dylan as he mentioned some time ago.

Post: "Yeah they will be definitely animations! And I was also thinking about to switch a few times to the son/husband later (very much later)!"


I don't get that scene, so I checked the code, and you only get that conversation if Ellie takes revenge on Dylan. And even then:

e "I'm telling you, Mom, even if the survival of the human race depended on it, Christine would rather do it with an orangutan than with Dylan!"

So that's probably not the best thing to bring up for Dylan/Christine shippers. It appears Dylan has a crush on Christine, but Christine doesn't think much of Dylan.

Is that the closest Dylan has gotten so far for getting a girlfriend?
This is the scene the way I get it if Ellie takes revenge on Dylan.
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Though nothing else has happened since then regarding Christine. Personally, I don't care much about it since I'm more focused on Sophia & Dylan because I love more the Mother & Son path, but Christine is not exactly against the notion of her & Dylan (of course depending on the player's choices, paths, and points). Right after that happens, the event with Sophia in the changing booth starts so Dylan was actually jerking off looking and thinking more about Sophia than about Christine. I guess they could happen in a path where you don't have that many points with Dylan or by default as I mentioned, like what will it become of Ellie if you just leave her be and she doesn't meet Logan or goes lesbian with Julia.

Also, Dylan seems more determined with Sophia than actually finding a girlfriend, and after the incident with Amber, he'd be even less in a rush to find a girlfriend or anything with Christine and according to his tastes in porn, he is more into older women and MILFs, fortunately he has the best at home in his own Mother. :sneaky: :cool:
 

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One thing that surprised me. When she sees Amber fooling around with Dylan, Sophia goes to see what happens. She tries to cut the conversation short. Seeing what's going on, it would be more normal to let Dylan have some freedom, leave him and approach Sam, as a countermeasure.
Her reaction is strange considering she's trying to help Dylan with the women.
What happened with Amber brings the two of them very close. Imagine the two of them next time they meet. Guilty looks and smiles. And Sophia knows that. Is she just overprotective or is tt something more?
 

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wow,he rendered 5% scenes that quickly?
he must have an rtx quadro or two
It takes L&P between 2-4 hours to render a scene.However setting up the scenes is a different matter and can take much much longer
 

Lord_Xanatos

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One thing that surprised me. When she sees Amber fooling around with Dylan, Sophia goes to see what happens. She tries to cut the conversation short. Seeing what's going on, it would be more normal to let Dylan have some freedom, leave him and approach Sam, as a countermeasure.
Her reaction is strange considering she's trying to help Dylan with the women.
What happened with Amber brings the two of them very close. Imagine the two of them next time they meet. Guilty looks and smiles. And Sophia knows that. Is she just overprotective or is tt something more?
It could very well be both, overprotective and something more or even perhaps jealousy. In my game, I don't have all the relationship points with Amber's son so the conversation about the next cello lesson doesn't happen and still, she looks over at Dylan and Amber and she swims over to them.

If Amber and Dylan were just talking she wouldn't have minded but Amber was stroking Dylan's cheek and laughing that's what made her feel that Amber was flirting with Dylan and made her react to swim over to them. So her reaction might be strange but her feelings are changing towards her son too and bringing them closer to each other, she is just taking more time in accepting them and trying to justify them by saying it is for helping or educational purposes.

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It takes L&P between 2-4 hours to render a scene.However setting up the scenes is a different matter and can take much much longer
just asking out of curiosity,but suppose you had the best graphics card on the market like say a quadro rtx 8000,
how quickly would it be able to render a single scene from this or anything similar?
 

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just asking out of curiosity,but suppose you had the best graphics card on the market like say a quadro rtx 8000,
how quickly would it be able to render a single scene from this or anything similar?
On that question I could not answer,as I am new to all this rendering stuff.
Other people on here could answer that for you
 

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just asking out of curiosity,but suppose you had the best graphics card on the market like say a quadro rtx 8000,
how quickly would it be able to render a single scene from this or anything similar?
As I know he has two Nvidia Titan RTX 24GB.
 

Alley_Cat

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Museum guys has only one parametr now, definitely about whether Sophia gave her number or not. Aiden parameter are connection with his tasks :unsure: But about Ellie friends really sad. :cry:
I was just considering relationship points, not event variables. But yes, for Aiden and the museum boys, they are more controlled by event variables, since it appears their events aren't particularly influenced by how well Sophia likes them or vice versa.

We'll see about Ellie's friends. Ellie doesn't have the relationship problems Dylan does - from what I can tell, the Sophia/Ellie route seems to be more about Sophia/Liam problems than any problems Ellie has. Plus like Liam, Dylan seems to end Ellie's scenes before they get interesting. One of the reasons I'm looking forward to the next few updates is seeing how things develop if you send Dylan away.

just asking out of curiosity,but suppose you had the best graphics card on the market like say a quadro rtx 8000,
how quickly would it be able to render a single scene from this or anything similar?
It's impossible to say. The amount of time it takes to render a scene depends on too many variables - the quality of the textures, the amount of reflective surfaces like mirrors or water, the amount of characters, whether or not he downsamples (rendering at a higher resolution and then making it smaller), the lighting etc.

The amount of time it takes me to render a scene varies wildly. My fan art renders at 4K can take anywhere between a few minutes to a full 24 hours, based on the above. When I was doing a simple scene like Sophia standing in front of her bedroom mirror, a simple thing like changing what she was wearing could change the render time by hours.

Having a good render rig will also mean you can do more complicated scenes. My rig wouldn't be able to handle the Bennett dinner scene with the amount of characters it has.
 
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[...] whether or not he downsamples (rendering at a higher resolution and then making it smaller)
That would be extremely stupid unless it's year 1999 and most of us are on HD Ready-ish screens AND Ren'Py's scaling method suck badly and/or ~100 KiB on a image size makes a difference. In 2020 it makes absolutely no sense.
 

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That would be extremely stupid unless it's year 1999 and most of us are on HD Ready-ish screens AND Ren'Py's scaling method suck badly and/or ~100 KiB on a image size makes a difference. In 2020 it makes absolutely no sense.
Downsampling has nothing to do with screen resolution. For example you can render at 8K and downsample to 4K for today's monitors. Like composite rendering, it's a known technique for speeding up a render. It's particularly useful for despeckling, especially if you don't have Photoshop like me.

But L&P does have Photoshop, so it's quite possible that's how he does his despeckling anyway. The latest version of Daz also comes with a despeckler, but I don't know how that effects the speed of a render.

I only mentioned downsampling because it affects render speed, which was in regards to the original question.
 
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Downsampling has nothing to do with screen resolution. For example you can render at 8K and downsample to 4K for today's monitors. Like composite rendering, it's a known technique for speeding up a render. It's particularly useful for despeckling, especially if you don't have Photoshop like me.

But L&P does have Photoshop, so it's quite possible that's how he does his despeckling anyway. The latest version of Daz also comes with a despeckler, but I don't know how that effects the speed of a render.

I only mentioned downsampling because it affects render speed, which was in regards to the original question.
Rendering at higher resolution and downsampling Is not a known technique for speeding up a render. On the contrary. Rendering at Full HD, for example, and downsampling to HD is a technique for achieving slightly better quality than rendering at HD at the cost of much LONGER rendering time. And yes, the end user display resolution is also very important. Most of us are probably on Full HD or higher resolutions, so the 720p image is then upscaled. An uplscaled 720p image on a 1080p screen looks worse that a 720p image on a 720p screen.
 

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Just started playing this game after hearing some good things about it and I've certainly been enjoying myself so far. The renders are fabulous and games of this quality, where the environments feel so real, are a rare thing and something I enjoy immensely. I understand why almost all other devs don't do this, what with limitations of their hardware, time, assets, and even skill in doing 3D rendering, so it's great when a game like this comes along. I've also been enjoying the plot progression and haven't really minded the slow build as it's more titillating that way. In particular, I've been enjoying the build up of the various incestuous relationships (mom/son, mom/daughter, sister/sister), and the various potential lesbian relationships Sophia could have. I had hoped/still hope we might see some movement towards some bro/sis incest (Dylan & Ellie), but there's still time and hopefully there will be something some day.

That being said, this Aiden blackmail storyline has really pulled me out of the enjoyment. I'm still on playable day 9 and haven't finished the current version yet, but the fact that Sophia is now faced with this dilemma really depresses me. I will say that L&P has done quite a masterful job in creating such an iron-clad, very literal, get-out-of-jail free card for him; an elite lawyer uncle who will defend his nephew no matter what he does, an aunt who lets him do whatever he wants, apparent "connections" to nefarious people who could quite possibly kill her and/or her family, a police force who will do nothing to him because of his uncle, and a school that will take no actions against him for the same reason as the police. It's impressively put together, but still an annoyingly and frustratingly perfect shield that Aiden has around him.

What's most annoying though, is that I've spent the entire game thus far avoiding any male character except for Dylan and now I'm essentially being forced to have Sophia do sexual things for this Aiden prick. Yes, I could reject his blackmail, but I don't like the idea of Dylan and Zac going to a boarding school let alone the fact that Aiden basically threatens her that Dylan could be attacked or killed by one his supposed goons and that Aiden will just start threatening some other poor kids. Maybe, depending on how this game goes, it might work out for Sophia regardless of which choice you pick, but the helplessness of the current situation as it stands now really sucks.

It made me wish that the characters of Mr Herman and Mr Gibb were written differently. Visiting them after the blackmail meeting with Aiden, I thought that it would've been cool if, during the first time Sophia took them out for a walk, one of them told her they used to "paint houses for a living" and the other one "did his own carpentry", which are mob terms for a hired killer and the guy that disposes of the bodies respectively. Then, either the next time she sees them or another time after that, she would feel the need to unburden herself and tell them what's troubling her and they would offer to help, telling her what they really did for a living. Having ex-mobsters who would still have connections in that world would've been great for Sophia as they could help her out with the Aiden situation.

But, I guess we're just going to have to wait and see how this plays out and hope she doesn't end up going too far with Aiden.
 
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I support. cool suggestions for the further development of the situation, otherwise it is now somehow too virtual and divorced from life.
 

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