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Interesting seems this dev setups the scenes and then renders them, I would have thought most devs set up all scenes for a single update, then render after.

Not saying anything bad or wrong by how dev does it, just surprised me and making me wonder if the way this dev does it is the best way to do it.
 

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Interesting seems this dev setups the scenes and then renders them, I would have thought most devs set up all scenes for a single update, then render after.

Not saying anything bad or wrong by how dev does it, just surprised me and making me wonder if the way this dev does it is the best way to do it.
Rendering can take quite a long time, obviously dependant on your computer specs.

I'm developing a game and I'm having to setup several scenes and queue them up for rendering overnight.

One reviewer commented that they could have rendered 10,000-15,000 images in the time it takes L&P to create an update. If I left my machine rendering constantly for 24x7 it would take almost a year to produce that amount. That's purely average render time, no setup or post work included in the figure. And since I'm at the beginning of the process, I am still on quite simple renders with two-three characters in a scene.
 
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The funny thing is that they never back up there claim,they just like talking rubbish about a game[...]
Indeed! Fook these suckers /s Oh, wait....

Episode 2 release calendar:
v0.1 - December 12 (1200 new arts, 28 animation clips)
v0.2 - January 19 (1400 new arts, 73 animation clips)
v0.3 - March 6 (1130 new arts, 43 animation clips)
v0.4 - April 19 (1000 new arts, 64 animation clips)
v0.5 - June 7 (1150 new arts, 62 animation clips)
v0.6 - July 20 (1950 new arts, 20 animation clips)
v0.7 - Sept 8 (~2000 new arts, some animation clips)
v0.8 - October 19 (~1700 new arts, 42 animation clips)
v0.9 - December 5 (~1250 new arts, 74 animation clips)
v10 - January 20 (~1000 new arts, 57 animation clips)
v11 - March 10 (~1370 new arts, 48 animation clips)
v12 - April 20 (~1048 new arts, 52 animation clips)
v13 - June 8 (~2000 new arts, 64 animation clips)
Source:
 

Julius Ash

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Who really knows the right answer to that one.
It could be his crazy attention to details also every scene must be perfect and it is still a solo project,if he will ever get some help who knows,large work load.
Then you will have the trolls,idiots,single brain cells peeps who will insist that he is milking the community and that they could do an update with the same quality every month.
So your question has multiple answers
if is not milking, for sure Dev ( if we can call him Dev) is preparing too much Cappucino... a good Cappucino requires time..
 

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Oh...AWAM fans become even more integralist.... maybe that soon they will be blacklisted. I'm scared when criticism is blackmailed..in this thread seems that only indulgent post are accepted
You can criticise AwAm,or any other game, all you want and at times people will not agree with your view.
I also agree with some of the criticism posted about this game
When people post blatant lies as truth with no foundation or proof then yes people will not agree with you.
 
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One reviewer commented that they could have rendered 10,000-15,000 images in the time it takes L&P to create an update. If I left my machine rendering constantly for 24x7 it would take almost a year to produce that amount. That's purely average render time, no setup or post work included in the figure. And since I'm at the beginning of the process, I am still on quite simple renders with two-three characters in a scene.
That guy once tried to claim, on this thread, that they were married to a reality TV star and they were hilariously called out on it, so they're not exactly known for being honest. :ROFLMAO:
 

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The main character keeps changing features. It should be done changing by now, LP was probably trying to get to his vision of Sophia 100% by changing it 10% each update so it wouldnt be that noticeable but it is.
I dont like the boney structure tbf, looks like Dylan with a wig in some renders.
Are we going to get a wife and mother revamped version when Sophia getting close to commiting adultery?
 

L&P's Father-in-Law

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Are we going to get a wife and mother revamped version when Sophia getting close to commiting adultery?
Now you're getting the way things work ;)

Who really knows the right answer to that one.
It could be his crazy attention to details also every scene must be perfect and it is still a solo project,if he will ever get some help who knows,large work load.
Then you will have the trolls,idiots,single brain cells peeps who will insist that he is milking the community and that they could do an update with the same quality every month.
So your question has multiple answers
People are saying he can do a shorter update every month, not the same amount of scenes in 1 month. Don't be dishonest, that just makes your argument look bad from the get go.


The answer is a bit of both: does he push quality out? Render-wise yes, storywise meh.
Does he push unnecessary renders? Yes. Some scenes have lets say 300 renders when they could have half of it and still be 99% as good as they were with the 150 extra.
Did he set patreon goals that he did not fulfill ? Yes.
Would those patreon goals, if he kept his promise, increase the speed of production of the game? Everything points to yes.
If he set himself to do only the scene creation (therefore not compromising quality of scenes and the so-called perfectionism that he has) and left the rendering/post processing to other peeps on his team, would the updates come out faster? Yes, by at least a month on each update.
Following this path, is he on track to push less and less updates each year? Oh yes, yes he is.
How long is the development on this is going to take if it keeps going like this? About 10 years or more.
Is he going to finish it? Based on other devs that have taken similar projects alone and his reluctancy to work with anyone, highly unlikely.
Does everything point to a scenario where it's more profitable for him to keep the ball rolling slowly? Yes, but kudos to him as long as people keep paying.
 

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Now you're getting the way things work ;)


People are saying he can do a shorter update every month, not the same amount of scenes in 1 month. Don't be dishonest, that just makes your argument look bad from the get go.


The answer is a bit of both: does he push quality out? Render-wise yes, storywise meh.
Does he push unnecessary renders? Yes. Some scenes have lets say 300 renders when they could have half of it and still be 99% as good as they were with the 150 extra.
Did he set patreon goals that he did not fulfill ? Yes.
Would those patreon goals, if he kept his promise, increase the speed of production of the game? Everything points to yes.
If he set himself to do only the scene creation (therefore not compromising quality of scenes and the so-called perfectionism that he has) and left the rendering/post processing to other peeps on his team, would the updates come out faster? Yes, by at least a month on each update.
Following this path, is he on track to push less and less updates each year? Oh yes, yes he is.
How long is the development on this is going to take if it keeps going like this? About 10 years or more.
Is he going to finish it? Based on other devs that have taken similar projects alone and his reluctancy to work with anyone, highly unlikely.
Does everything point to a scenario where it's more profitable for him to keep the ball rolling slowly? Yes, but kudos to him as long as people keep paying.
I agree with some of your points.
Does he push unnecessary renders? Yes I agree and he could save time cutting this back.It is his scene creation that takes up most of the time so this would be my first choice to try and change.
He may cut certain story lines and that would save time.
He has two computers one for rendering and and 1 for scene set up so I don't know if hired help would help that much.
As for the Patreon goals I am staying out that one,as we don't know if he has or has not done what he said.
If he does want to finish this game then he does have some solutions available to him,and I hope that he uses them.
 

Julius Ash

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You can criticise AwAm,or any other game, all you want and at times people will not agree with your view.
I also agree with some of the criticism posted about this game
When people post blatant lies as truth with no foundation or proof then yes people will not agree with you.
Who decide what is a lie or what is true? People have the right to have different point of view... i don't tell that you are on the payroll list of L&P because you are fanatic of this VN... i simply think that he takes a lot of time between updates ( the next almost 6 months ). This is the reason why i stopped to support him. Remember when dev was crying about the lack of economic support to his job? He used blackmail his supporter (something like , I will stop the delevepment if no enough reward). At that time i posted my first post on this thread asking people to support him in order to avoid the abandon of this VN. I was wrong that time.. first because if you start the development of a Erotic VN you do it as a passion, as a hobby and Hobby no need to be rewarded with money.This kind of business is not professional because in the real business you cannot tell "is done when it is done", you must follow the schedule with no delay and not making exscuse. If the update needs too much renders and project still growing this means that you need bigger hardware and help like Dev stated years ago. He reached his goal but nothing is changed, rather development is slowing down in a ridicolous way. You talk about dev perfectionism..yes we are aware that Dev his a master in shower, walk, change clothes scenes but he is very far from a masterpiece ( simply contents are awful and sometimes really inappropriate see fabric test ). I stopped to support him because he is not believable and this is what people need to understand, if you feel different, you think different, it's ok but your way of think is not better than my.

Bye and a good Cappuccino for all..
 

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Who decide what is a lie or what is true? People have the right to have different point of view... i don't tell that you are on the payroll list of L&P because you are fanatic of this VN... i simply think that he takes a lot of time between updates ( the next almost 6 months ). This is the reason why i stopped to support him. Remember when dev was crying about the lack of economic support to his job? He used blackmail his supporter (something like , I will stop the delevepment if no enough reward). At that time i posted my first post on this thread asking people to support him in order to avoid the abandon of this VN. I was wrong that time.. first because if you start the development of a Erotic VN you do it as a passion, as a hobby and Hobby no need to be rewarded with money.This kind of business is not professional because in the real business you cannot tell "is done when it is done", you must follow the schedule with no delay and not making exscuse. If the update needs too much renders and project still growing this means that you need bigger hardware and help like Dev stated years ago. He reached his goal but nothing is changed, rather development is slowing down in a ridicolous way. You talk about dev perfectionism..yes we are aware that Dev his a master in shower, walk, change clothes scenes but he is very far from a masterpiece ( simply contents are awful and sometimes really inappropriate see fabric test ). I stopped to support him because he is not believable and this is what people need to understand, if you feel different, you think different, it's ok but your way of think is not better than my.

Bye and a good Cappuccino for all..
If people want to criticise a game ok I am fine with that but at least back it up with some proof,or why you think this way, instead of wordless rubbish.
You have your opinion and while I may not agree with you there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism.
This is not meant as a personal attack on you.Enjoy your Cappuccino
 

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I agree with some of your points.
Does he push unnecessary renders? Yes I agree and he could save time cutting this back.It is his scene creation that takes up most of the time so this would be my first choice to try and change.
He may cut certain story lines and that would save time.
He has two computers one for rendering and and 1 for scene set up so I don't know if hired help would help that much.
As for the Patreon goals I am staying out that one,as we don't know if he has or has not done what he said.
If he does want to finish this game then he does have some solutions available to him,and I hope that he uses them.
Regarding the rendering, last time I said I had a wokstation, free of charge, if the dev wanted to render his work. People told me that wouldn't make a difference, cue a few months later and the render % doesnt change when the scene creation is going up and the scene creation % doesnt change when the rendering is going up.

Basically he is doing one or the other, never both at the same time, which would be possible if you had the kind of workstations he says he does.

Some things don't fit into his narrative. It would be way better for him to just say "I'm not interested in - any patreon goals / offers that'll make me speed up development / cutting the story down - because that hurt$ my bottom lin€" instead of pretending he's creating some master piece that'll take more time than Elder Scrolls/GTA/Cyberpunk/Witcher to develop when it's just a VN. That's all it is.

It's really simple to assess his work, vote for him to work on a 6 week updates. He wouldn't even the majority of his patrons voted for it.
 

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Regarding the rendering, last time I said I had a wokstation, free of charge, if the dev wanted to render his work. People told me that wouldn't make a difference, cue a few months later and the render % doesnt change when the scene creation is going up and the scene creation % doesnt change when the rendering is going up.

Basically he is doing one or the other, never both at the same time, which would be possible if you had the kind of workstations he says he does.

Some things don't fit into his narrative. It would be way better for him to just say "I'm not interested in - any patreon goals / offers that'll make me speed up development / cutting the story down - because that hurt$ my bottom lin€" instead of pretending he's creating some master piece that'll take more time than Elder Scrolls/GTA/Cyberpunk/Witcher to develop when it's just a VN. That's all it is.

It's really simple to assess his work, vote for him to work on a 6 week updates. He wouldn't even the majority of his patrons voted for it.
If he is stupid enough to try this then he deserves everything the Patreons throw at him
 
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