VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[89898hh]

Blue Balls again

 

[bobbo69]

It wasn't a bad update, I don't know what some people are bitching about, oh, wait, there isn't any sex in it yet, well boo hoo, there's all kinds of sex games around elsewhere, my advice is to not download until there is actually some sex in it, it will come, trust me my favorite part was in the subway, she really nailed them good lol

 

[Anarchizt]

New genre: Soap-opera

definition: massive amount of content, without any meaningful substance.

 

[Joel Wolf]

Started this game today after the new release. Never played it before. Mixed review. On one hand I like the slow progress of corruption, seems more legit. I mean what mom wants their son peeping on them? On the other hand it is too slow on the visual side. We are this far into it and the only nudity I have seen is from the sister (at gym in shower) and a brief glimpse of pubic hair from protagonist when she sits on the toilet. No views of protagonist while she is changing? Butt shots, sure, or side boob, ok, but nothing else. She has changed at least a 100 times (well done in clothing choices) but it is either a blank screen telling us she changed, or her in her bra and panties.

 

[Man In Moon]

I like this game. Really I do. It really is one of the best games on the site. But, and as much as I don't wanna hop on the "This is slow as f**k." bandwagon", it really is slow as f**k. This game was started in October last year and we haven't gotten farther than day 4 in 8 months on a game that professes to have 30 days laid out in the plot. Whats going to happen at the one year mark? Day 6? And this is supposed to be the "fast" update. Look, I'm all for taking your time and doing things right, but this is ridiculous. Now I know I'm gonna get ragged for not taking into consideration how long it takes to make and render the pictures and how much time it takes to do so and so, etc. And in truth, if this was going to be a game that was supposed to compete with stuff like Dragon Age or The Sims, I could completely understand taking a few years to make it. But it's not. This thing has no voice and no video. Just a choice based picture book with pretty pictures. At his current rate, it won't be till sometime in 2020 before we see day 12. So yea, I'm far past done with this.

 

[Angmir]

I hope someday Dylan will conquer his sister Ellie, make her his cockslave, pass her arround and then use her to get Julia too.

It would be a shame if all thouse girls like Alysa Ellie Julia and Sam's Mother never got any cock but only lesbian scenes (meh)

At least the Dylan in the shower scene from day 3 hints on possible Dylan / Ellie interaction ...

 

[perperz]

Boooooring, big skip

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

Here is the latest communication from L&P. Consider reading it and pausing before comment. Haste makes for bad posts.

Information about Vers. 0.05 and some important intermediate information
Jun 19 at 3:13pm
1) I've already mentioned that at playable day 7 some main story plots will finally start (Dylan, Ellie).
That's why the next update will be as rapid and short as possible. It'll be the entire playable day 6 and I think highly probable it won't even have 100 renders, just to speed it extremely up. So, it's not a promise, but if I'll start with the development of the next version on Thursday 21, then I could be finished with it in about 2,5 weeks and finally start with the more interesting and lucid game parts. Actually even this update has also practically no really "unimportant" renders! The scenes are going much smoother and quicker in each other now!

2) I know that there are mainly casual events at the moment. But this is also how it was planned. First some flirting, teasing, groping and casual events for a start, where you also become acquainted with the characters. Then it will get more precise with some characters. After all don't forget we're just at playable day 6 of 30 with the next update.

Yes, the whole build up came out much more complex than I've expected it to be, but this is also my very first project and it is a matter of experience! AND: This is a game (VN) in development where everything will get more and more lewd and lucid slowly. This is not the development of some stupid, senseless, unrealistic porn episodes for every update!

But I have still to admit, that maybe I planned the project too complex with too many characters what leads to too many plot lines and at the end is just too much for one single developer, who's especially trying to make very elaborate, detailed, authentic... just perfect art, what is just my passion and obsession! That's why I've also deleted (or shortened) some character plot-lines and will concentrate myself soon mainly on Dylan, Ellie, Sam and from playable day 9 on also the teacher plot. Many plots are interwoven together. But there will still also be little story lines with the new friends of Sophia (Alyssa and Vicky). And of course there will still be some side events. And also for the second choosable side job, which starts at playable day 11, I've spent a lot of time to write it and for me this is one of the best parts of this VN!

What concerns the first side job, I don't know how people are into grandpa/younger woman stuff. Maybe I'll do a poll if people want to see where it goes at all or if I should cancel it completely.

3) The subway scene in the current version is exactly like it should be! I didn't want Sophia to get raped or extremely groped now! This villain plot line is still not over! It will be important what Sophia decides to do the following day! So, like I already said, there are almost no scenes, which won't have an effect on the further story development!

4) Many who are complaining about slow development should first of all consider that I'm a single developer doing a work for several people! But nevertheless there are already !!2700!! practically perfect to the smallest detail and very elaborate, manifold renders created! And the language I know perfectly is German. So I always have to translate all this text into English, what also takes some time unfortunately!

And I also don't need so much time like some people are claiming! The last version I've started to develop normally was about at the 12th of May. Firstly I had to do a little break after working many months without a pause. And then I also had to replace my GPU's. So I needed 5 weeks (6 1/2 weeks all together) for the last update and not 2-3 months (8-12 weeks) like I've often read.

5) I've also read hundreds of times in forums that Sophia is too "prude". Well, I guess many people are accustomed that women in these kind of games are all stupid sex-toys and whores! Sophia is more rational, kind and is acting like a "normal" woman! And normal, intelligent women are not very amused about getting sexually harassed by strangers or talking about lewd stuff with their sisters! The idea was, that such a "normal" woman gets more and more relaxed to some filthy decisions with the story or getting corrupted to some decisions and even takes pleasure in it! And you also have the chance to choose the filthy reaction, what doesn't make her so "prude" even yet! After all she hasn't done anything so extremely filthy yet, to being a filthy whore who does everything with everyone now! And some elements are deliberately a little raised to make the change more evident later!

6) Last but not least: I decided to give access to vers. 0.04 and next version 0.05 in a "1 day procedure" for my patrons! From vers. 0.06/0.07 on it'll be normal again.

The Problem is the following.

If you make a build up for a sex game this long (considering sex is the main plot here) how you think the dev will deliver the sex scenes?
You cant make 3 updates where you only add one sex scene after another and you cant make it one gigantic sex scene either.
So he will keep building up and adding characters to that moment he loses track on what to focus first and the whole project becomes to big for its own good.


Which means in short. The build up for his characters is bigger then the actual main plot.

Which is again a dev who has no freaking idea of actual writing and ruins his own story with his build up.
You can find some decent hobby writers for cheap money or no money at all in the world wide web very easy. He should hire one or two and let them fix this mess asap.

If i would have time i would actually rewrite his complete story and cut half the characters for plot reasons out to focus on the MC and her family, The neighbours boy, his mother and the sister of the MC. And thats it. Thats big enough to be occupied for months.

 

[Ignazzio]

Quite a terrible news. Patreon is such a crappy platform for development. Guy is making over 3k in a couple of months which is a huuuge success nowadays and he keeps growing. But that's not enough for him he's cutting off all these elements that made him special. In a year or 2 he would most likely achieved his goals but it's just impossible to do it quickly right now. Sad to say that but you can't be a Patreon dev for a living at this point if you live in a Germany or similiary rich country. Depressing example of a highest quality VN we have on Patreon and delusional development plan.

 

[rykdragon]

I realy like this game. Well writing, well cg, there is a story... But no scenes. You are playing and playing but no body touch her. You make a lots of choice for nothing. It is kind of boring. At the first relase I hyped. Teacher, wive and mother perfect combo but I didnt realy think this game will turn to this. Hes wasted his good potentials.

The long and short of it you can not fap this game. Main purpose of hentai games were dead in this game.:tf:

 

[duckaa]

the developer is speculating. Why do not you ask for help? I like the game and the plot until this last version really poor in the dialogues and the erotic interaction. Nothing worse for a person fap than leaving him unsatisfied. I also congratulate the creator and hopefully solve the bottlenecks of the project.

 

[Jag Hond]

To me, I agree gladly with all Ignatz and bobbo said. Please stop bothering with nonsense comments about lack of sex and other nonsense of this like.
The dev. here has a plan. And he's following it closely. So please all respect him and his hard work, and if unlike it you all are still free to wipe out your patreonages and your installations.
It would be at least a little strange and perhaps masochist too a different behaviour... to me at least.

With best appreciation for L&P behaviour and sincerity, and best regards to all.

 

[shudy]

Hello! I can not save it in a game ... if I spin it then it comes out of error and stifles a game and there is no backup!

 

[Deadlyreaper]

Yes, the whole build up came out much more complex than I've expected it to be, but this is also my very first project and it is a matter of experience! AND: This is a game (VN) in development where everything will get more and more lewd and lucid slowly. This is not the development of some stupid, senseless, unrealistic porn episodes for every update!

yes sure such a crap honestly very slowly very very very lanf'gsam the power everyone in the city af attention and cool so that everyone wants to fuck you and in the end what is then ??? also no sex if I have to read such a crap and yes I've said it long ago that the dev has taken over completely

here as so many others have done with their games and now he has no plan what to do should dozens of men teens girls have made them horny on them and want to fuck them and now wants to tell us the dev that was nothing that has no sex with those? this is doc ridiculous maybe the dev should do some work on it and try it a bit simpler and not want to make complex like that with his boring blueball game

 

[yihman1]

I totally understand the people who are thinking basically "Come on, I want sex, I want something to jerk off to!" I get that sentiment. Completely understand it. It's a valid stance to take on the game for now...

There have been a dozen chances already to get down and dirty, and get way more kinky.

However the way this game has been written so far it is too soon to jump into sucking, and fucking all the guys in the city right this very moment. There is a certain level of writing to this game that makes it like an erotic novel that is a CYOA with visulals. Which is superb.

There are different phases that this is going through so that the pay off is that much better.

Phase 1: "Attraction": Some sort of attraction is built. Sometimes it is one way like the guys in the subway that wanted to rape her. Sometimes it's a bit of teasing back like with the neighbor boy. And sometimes it is our main character lusting after someone who has shown no sign of being interested. Like with the maid. Sometimes it is conflicted like the mother / son dynamic... It's great that all these types of attraction are represented.

Phase 2: "Denial": This can be clearly seen in scenes like when she looked at her sons cock for a moment in the bathroom. She is fighting it, and in denial. That's her son, plus she is a married woman. So doubly wrong. She still looked at that dick though.

Phase 3: "Curiosity": It's at this phase that peace has been made with the fantasy aspect of things. I think this can be most clearly seen in when she is talking with her sister about those young college guys, and that line of things.

Okay these are the 3 phases we seen so far for the most part. We are at the half way mark in terms of build up to this story arc right now. Now come the next 3 phases to continue on with the type of story.

Phase 4: "Analysis" The analysis phase is absolutely ready to start right away. This is where she will seriously consider doing something naughty or not. She may masturbate to certain fantasies. She may have dirty dreams. I think right now the iron is absolutely burning super hot, and ready to strike right this very moment for shifting in to the analysis phase. A good start to 0.05 will be a dream sequence. Perhaps in her dream the two thugs pull her pants down, and she wakes up before they start fucking her. She realizes her pussy is wet from this... At this point she can choose to masturbate to it or not. This will lead to further options of her being embarrassed about it, choosing not to tell her husband or police.

Phase 5: "Decision" This is where the fucking comes in. It is imperative that the analysis phase has been properly built up before the decision phase. The decision phase will hearken back to other phases, and there will be lots of fucking in this phase. This is the meat and potatoes of the porn scenes on just how kinky she gets.

After a lot of phase 5... There is one more phase to go.

Phase 6: "Aftermath", does she run away from her husband and become a lesbian, she stay a faithful wife, does she become a prostitute, does she do this or that or the other. It's basically endgame.

So you see if Phase 4 has not yet properly been explored, which I expect SOON then skipping on to phase 5 ruins the pacing.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

To me, I agree gladly with all Ignatz and bobbo said. Please stop bothering with nonsense comments about lack of sex and other nonsense of this like.
The dev. here has a plan. And he's following it closely. So please all respect him and his hard work, and if unlike it you all are still free to wipe out your patreonages and your installations.
It would be at least a little strange and perhaps masochist too a different behaviour... to me at least.

With best appreciation for L&P behaviour and sincerity, and best regards to all.

Get a grip of reality. What you are saying is basically this.
Everyone who doesn't agree with you just writes nonsense.

I can assure you that the dev has no plan at all as i write for almost 20 years now and his build up was to long and with to many characters already.
Now he is stuck with a mistake many hobby writers do when they start writing.
Creating a Story with to many characters and to many side stories to follow so he can't focus on one part because he would have to abandon the other part.
But if he keeps focusing on all characters and side stories the project becomes bigger and bigger and less focused on the main story which is sex.

No one cares about what her husband is doing or about her work and so on and so forth. Yes as introduction nice but not if you keep it and maintain it constantly. Its like you write a fantasy novel about dragons then you turn to page 250 and still no dragon gets even mentioned.

This is about adult games not the next book where the dev has to fill a few hundred pages with story to sell it. If you write some horror stories you have to build up your monster or horror thing in the first 20 pages or no one will read any further. Same for any other kind of genre.

Same goes for sex games. If you want to make a good story a build up is essential! I agree with the dev that many of the other games dont have that and that its a good idea to make a game that actually has that.
But he already is overstaying in his build up and needs to deliver asap.
This game already has more rendered pictures than other completed games combined.

 

[Miðgarðsormr]

I totally understand the people who are thinking basically "Come on, I want sex, I want something to jerk off to!" I get that sentiment. Completely understand it. It's a valid stance to take on the game for now...

There have been a dozen chances already to get down and dirty, and get way more kinky.

However the way this game has been written so far it is too soon to jump into sucking, and fucking all the guys in the city right this very moment. There is a certain level of writing to this game that makes it like an erotic novel that is a CYOA with visulals. Which is superb.

There are different phases that this is going through so that the pay off is that much better.

Phase 1: "Attraction": Some sort of attraction is built. Sometimes it is one way like the guys in the subway that wanted to rape her. Sometimes it's a bit of teasing back like with the neighbor boy. And sometimes it is our main character lusting after someone who has shown no sign of being interested. Like with the maid. Sometimes it is conflicted like the mother / son dynamic... It's great that all these types of attraction are represented.

Phase 2: "Denial": This can be clearly seen in scenes like when she looked at her sons cock for a moment in the bathroom. She is fighting it, and in denial. That's her son, plus she is a married woman. So doubly wrong. She still looked at that dick though.

Phase 3: "Curiosity": It's at this phase that peace has been made with the fantasy aspect of things. I think this can be most clearly seen in when she is talking with her sister about those young college guys, and that line of things.

Okay these are the 3 phases we seen so far for the most part. We are at the half way mark in terms of build up to this story arc right now. Now come the next 3 phases to continue on with the type of story.

Phase 4: "Analysis" The analysis phase is absolutely ready to start right away. This is where she will seriously consider doing something naughty or not. She may masturbate to certain fantasies. She may have dirty dreams. I think right now the iron is absolutely burning super hot, and ready to strike right this very moment for shifting in to the analysis phase. A good start to 0.05 will be a dream sequence. Perhaps in her dream the two thugs pull her pants down, and she wakes up before they start fucking her. She realizes her pussy is wet from this... At this point she can choose to masturbate to it or not. This will lead to further options of her being embarrassed about it, choosing not to tell her husband or police.

Phase 5: "Decision" This is where the fucking comes in. It is imperative that the analysis phase has been properly built up before the decision phase. The decision phase will hearken back to other phases, and there will be lots of fucking in this phase. This is the meat and potatoes of the porn scenes on just how kinky she gets.

After a lot of phase 5... There is one more phase to go.

Phase 6: "Aftermath", does she run away from her husband and become a lesbian, she stay a faithful wife, does she become a prostitute, does she do this or that or the other. It's basically endgame.

So you see if Phase 4 has not yet properly been explored, which I expect SOON then skipping on to phase 5 ruins the pacing.

While i agree to that you dont need this many updates and almost 1k Rendered pictures to get to that point. The dev is blue balling before he even blue balls and claims its for story build up.

 

[bas]

lanf'gsam

Umm.... I don't think we get to make up our own words here, bud.

 

[yihman1]

While i agree to that you dont need this many updates and almost 1k Rendered pictures to get to that point. The dev is blue balling before he even blue balls and claims its for story build up.

Would you prefer less blue balling? Then it would lack sexual content too much. I suspect the amount of sex in future updates will be to a level where it's like... I miss that build up, when she is bouncing from dick to dick like what happened in Elena's Life.

 

[Ignazzio]

Christ, it hurts when people complain that it takes too long to reach any sex scene in a Visual Novel genre which are known for having even 40h of text before any action. I guess it will take a lot of years for even 1 title being able to compete with top-tier Japanese games.