VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Mamonetti]

That's not whining & being annoying. It's Dylan who whines & annoys, (as do his multiple facepalming fans). Personally, I wish some paying fans would start pushing back against the 'Dylanisation' of this story, because he's getting out of hand. There's only one way I will ever like him & that's when he stops trying to shag his own mother. I can't wait to get him hooked up with a proper girlfriend & that's in Dylan's best long-term interests also.

That's not going to happen ever in this game. He's the most standard character of an incest game, and even more important in this case considering MC is a mother who needs a son for the most traditional incest relationship anyone could expect. The mother-son incest is far more common than the mother-daughter.

It doesn't mean you can't get rid of him. As long as L&P offers ways to do that without having too many side effects on other paths (you're bound to lose many filthy points if you send Dylan to hell), everything should be ok.

 

[cakeny]

That's not whining & being annoying. It's Dylan who whines & annoys, (as do his multiple facepalming fans). Personally, I wish some paying fans would start pushing back against the 'Dylanisation' of this story, because he's getting out of hand. There's only one way I will ever like him & that's when he stops trying to shag his own mother. I can't wait to get him hooked up with a proper girlfriend & that's in Dylan's best long-term interests also.

Only way I will like Dylan is when he is at boarding school permanently and written out of all future content for that path.

 

[Kodek]

That's not going to happen ever in this game. He's the most standard character of an incest game, and even more important in this case considering MC is a mother who needs a son for the most traditional incest relationship anyone could expect. The mother-son incest is far more common than the mother-daughter.

It doesn't mean you can't get rid of him. As long as L&P offers ways to do that without having too many side effects on other paths (you're bound to lose many filthy points if you send Dylan to hell), everything should be ok.

How much i wished this game would have a more interesting M/S content. It's rare to play a game that has incest through the mother's pov.
Dylan's route could have been so much more interesting instead of this common and flavorless thing.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Hopefully we will find out what the "comfortable solution"is

Elana is Ellie's friend and yes I agree that Ellie has a safety factor with Sophia knowing that she will never hurt her. So who better to experiment with than with someone that you admire/love/trust and you know will never betray your trust.

Thanks - I could nt remember Elana's name as she was nt around for long, at least in my game. Although I do wonder what would have happened if Ellie had kissed Elana instead of Julia? I am presuming that would have ended the Julia storyline without replacing it with anything?

Did anyone actually progress the game with Ellie kissing Elana?? Any changes to subsequent events?

 

[cakeny]

Dump him with Emma and he is gone,whether or not we get another chance to dump him who knows

Sending him to boarding school should have been end, but no we were forced to take him to yoga.

 

[ancienregimele]

That's not going to happen ever in this game. He's the most standard character of an incest game, and even more important in this case considering MC is a mother who needs a son for the most traditional incest relationship anyone could expect. The mother-son incest is far more common than the mother-daughter.

It doesn't mean you can't get rid of him. As long as L&P offers ways to do that without having too many side effects on other paths (you're bound to lose many filthy points if you send Dylan to hell), everything should be ok.

I've had to follow huge amounts of the Dylan path in order to keep the filthy points total high. (Admittedly, I enjoyed the bikini show). There needs to be a branching in the game when Dylan gets a girlfriend, so as not to penalise those who've chosen to let him start proper dating. This would possibly keep everyone happy, or at least happier.

 

[Kodek]

Thanks - I could nt remember Elana's name as she was nt around for long, at least in my game. Although I do wonder what would have happened if Ellie had kissed Elana instead of Julia? I am presuming that would have ended the Julia storyline without replacing it with anything?

Did anyone actually progress the game with Ellie kissing Elana?? Any changes to subsequent events?

Now that you mentioned, i never tried going for the Elena kiss. I always choose Julia, because she the most cute little darling i have ever saw.

 

[Mamonetti]

I've had to follow huge amounts of the Dylan path in order to keep the filthy points total high. (Admittedly, I enjoyed the bikini show). There needs to be a branching in the game when Dylan gets a girlfriend, so as not to penalise those who've chosen to let him start proper dating. This would possibly keep everyone happy, or at least happier.

Good luck with that

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

Ellie only trusts two people until now. Julia and Sophia, both people to whom she told the truth about her virginity.

The last shower scene shows how much insecure Ellie is about this fact, she won't just tell anyone. That's one of the motives that leads me to believe that Logan will be rather 'forceful' with Ellie if they get the chance to be intimate, he won't know she is a virgin and will think she is blueballing him.

Agree 100% - until this update it was easy to assume that Ellie had had sex before from the way that she pretended. I still think it is possible that could lead to Ellie having sex with Sophia (more likely) or even Dylan (admittedly less likely but L&P did add that whole Dylan repairing her laptop scene).

 

[Kodek]

Agree 100% - until this update it was easy to assume that Ellie had had sex before from the way that she pretended. I still think it is possible that could lead to Ellie having sex with Sophia (more likely) or even Dylan (admittedly less likely but L&P did add that whole Dylan repairing her laptop scene).

Oh God, if Dylan takes Ellie vcard i'll give up on trying to argue anything about this game again. Fuck logic it's all Dylan.

 

[Mamonetti]

Oh God, if Dylan takes Ellie vcard i'll give up on trying to argue anything about this game again. Fuck logic it's all Dylan.

This possibility is still on the table. It would be a final shock for almost everyone, but I wouldn't discard a scene with Sophia convincing Ellie to do that after having had sex with both of them. The final scene, double incest

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

This possibility is still on the table. It would be a final shock for almost everyone, but I wouldn't discard a scene with Sophia convincing Ellie to do that after having had sex with both of them. The final scene, double incest

Imagine if that's the ONLY threesome in the whole game, on either the GW or Filthy route.

People would riot.

 

[lockerxx]

Hmm, I sent him to boarding school and haven't seen any content with Amber.

did you miss the pool event?

 

[cakeny]

did you miss the pool event?

Which pool event?

 

[cakeny]

You refuse the Aiden deal and send Dylan and Zac to boarding school and you get the pool event with Sam/Dylan/Sophia and Amber instead of the bikini fashion show.

I sent him to boarding school and unfortunately had to do the swimming lesson with the two pervs. Amber wasn't there at all.

 

[lockerxx]

Which pool event?

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[Kodek]

Imagine if that's the ONLY threesome in the whole game, on either the GW or Filthy route.

People would riot.

If the game have more threesome than this, it will be mostly Dylan+Sophia+(anyone else... really, ANYONE). And that's about it.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

The event is indeed well written, with proper buildup and have a lot of renders put on it, i will give you that. In terms of quality is probably one of the best ones in the game yet.

But why Ellie was without a bra and caring so little about being stared at with such carnal desire by Dylan (someone she is disgusted of)? It's the same Ellie as the one we've met on the game, but she acted really different from how she acts with Dylan normally.

IIRC this was after the whole Viagra at the beach prank that she played on Dylan. It may be that what Sophia said to Ellie, telling her off before they got out of the car, maybe it sank in. And maybe she felt guilty that she had overstepped the boundaries of sibling rivalry.

And then she needed Dylan's help so she had to tone down her usual insults to Dylan.

And then finally, Dylan probably surprised her when he said he just wanted a hug as payment. In most incest games when the female LI asks for a favour, usually the payment would go beyond a hug.

 

[Poser_Voyeur]

I have a save for that event so I will try it out later and see what happens but Alley_Cat will probably know more since he knows the script very well.

Thanks.

From memory I think initially I clicked on the kissing Elana route, as Elana was more experienced of the two girls. Then saw Julia's disappointment and then scrolled back and changed it to kissing Julia.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

That would be the point of this all if L&P wasn't changing the game to please Dylan fans only.

He removed the Twist because of it, if your point stands, why didn't he kept the Twist on? It would make Dylan way more interesting in my view and a lot of other fans.
Now he is changing Ellie personality for Dylan and his fans too, how much more the game will change so Dylan fans can get everything they want?

I know that i'm whining and being annoying. You very right when you say we have a lot of choices, i just feel that the majority of those choices is starting to be around Dylan. His route is kind of forced on us already if we want to have a lot of points in filthy.

As I've pointed out here before - the Twist does nothing for the Sophia/Dylan path, it is a flavor event that went wrong - per L&P. The event was not perceived the way the author thought it would be so he changed the story, not the outcome - Dylan remains at boarding school, no more erotic story line with Sophia.

How many points does Dylan lose when the Twist is revealed??

0 points - that is how big an event L&P intended it to be.

(For those who like to look under the hood, check the code if you don't believe me)

Dylan loses far more points if he peeks at Sophia in the mirror when they are changing in her bedroom (if you take that choice).

In the Vicki and Desean event, if Sophia does not drop her towel, she get's +2 good wife points.

So, if we use the awarding of points to measure the intended impact of an event according to the author, then this event is so minor, it does not merit Any points.

It is worth 0 points in the AWAM story.


But, let's continue to use this change by L&P, the person who knows how he envisions the choices that can occur by the time this story ends, as Proof Positive that he is constantly adjusting the story to favor Dylan. A change that carries so much weight that it has 0 points of impact and has NO effect on the erotic story arc between Sophia and Dylan.