VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[You Don't See Me]

Is Sophia ever gonna become a complete slut and just have sex with anyone and everyone though? I can't see it, she might think about doing that stuff and may very well have sex with her kids but I don't think she will every get to the point where she has no self respect and is no longer the Sophia we all like, More confidant and sexual yes and she will no doubt cheat with Dylan/Ellie/Alyssa/Sam/Zac but I can't see her becoming a complete unabashed whore or ever doing anything at all with Aiden (please god not Aiden).

You are probably right. We may ride this donkey all the way to the end and she will never have reached an orgasm until the final scene. But, I really would have liked to see the janitor tag her ass in the showers. My cheat mod shows an interracial direction but, who knows.

 

[Atton563]

In my opinion,there is not a chance of that happening but only the dev really knows

I agree and hope It's the case but then I read the description on the first page and it says "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy whore soon?" and that makes me worry for our Sophia. If she by some sick twist of fate does become the complete whore some people want to see her become I feel we are in for a very very long wait until she becomes so broken to do that stuff or the story telling is going to take an utter nose dive becuse she is no where near that place at the minute.

 

[dian091]

You are probably right. We may ride this donkey all the way to the end and she will never have reached an orgasm until the final scene. But, I really would have liked to see the janitor tag her ass in the showers. My cheat mod shows an interracial direction but, who knows.

I saw that in the cheat mod and am hopeful, especially after the sauna scene. For her to get tagged by all the men, AWAM might take years.

 

[Deleted member 2183629]

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[xxxorro]

That could mean anything,you know what L&P is like

Maybe he's simply referring to the fact that he cannot post pictures of Mother-Son relationship on Patreon? (I mean any kind of relationship, not just sexual, to avoid getting much attention given the rules on Patreon)

Also sorry for the dumb question but what's a "dlc"?

 

[Atton563]

You are probably right. We may ride this donkey all the way to the end and she will never have reached an orgasm until the final scene. But, I really would have liked to see the janitor tag her ass in the showers. My cheat mod shows an interracial direction but, who knows.

See I only want her to be with a guy if he is going to respect and appricate her (not likely to happen I know) and the janitor is one of the last people who would respect her.

As for orgasms Dylan showed he could give a good massage and even had her moan in pleasure if I remember right although not in a sexual way, Since he would never have touched a girl in that way before that and learnt it all from the internet gotta wonder what eles he's been Googling about pleasing women with his hands.

 

[xxxorro]

I agree and hope It's the case but then I read the description on the first page and it says "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy whore soon?" and that makes me worry for our Sophia. If she by some sick twist of fate does become the complete whore some people want to see her become I feel we are in for a very very long wait until she becomes so broken to do that stuff or the story telling is going to take an utter nose dive becuse she is no where near that place at the minute.

Yes, I have the same feeling every time I read that description!
It's hard to believe that that's the path given what we saw so far in the game. I think there is also a bad choice of wording in the phrase, as he probably meant "slut" rather than whore, which has a darker meaning if taken literally (as in she becomes a prostitute, I don't think and I don't hope so).

 

[nexer]

If I'm not mistaken, he ended the Aiden event because there was something left of Emma event.

 

[You Don't See Me]

I agree and hope It's the case but then I read the description on the first page and it says "So, will she stay the good, faithful wife or will she fall into all the temptations and become a filthy whore soon?" and that makes me worry for our Sophia. If she by some sick twist of fate does become the complete whore some people want to see her become I feel we are in for a very very long wait until she becomes so broken to do that stuff or the story telling is going to take an utter nose dive becuse she is no where near that place at the minute.

It's only a short distance from

I'm not talking about her in-game story. I'm talking about her personality. That's why you don't understand my point and you conclude that I don't love Sophia ( while I had written 'we love her ' whatever ).

So I'll explain it to you a second time

If you want her to be a 'total slut' , she has to go back to her basic instincts, the ones you have when you're a teenager, when all your emotions collide, when you're able to make radical decisions, fuck yourself all moral values, when you don't know where the limits are.

She must regress to this state ( and maybe she never really left that mentality), and especially not grow mentally.

Obviously her story will continue to move forward, nobody says otherwise.

Without her personality, there would be no 'in-game' story. Your point doesn't hold water. Trying to talk psychology with a rock is futile. You are trying to second guess a work of fiction. Something that has no basis in reality. You and the writer have that in common, you make it up as you go along. Get a life!

 

[xxxorro]

'I think we even already discussed about this.' yes !

And I will add something about Emma.
Sophia is very generous to her. After all, she might tell herself that she's not concerned with Emma's shyness...
I believe that she finds in Emma, the little girl that she was.
So either she really wants to help her (advise her not to make the same mistakes again) or she wants to metaphorically destroy her (put her in a relationship with her son who is excited all the time)
It's not exclusive, the first intention is benevolent, then it becomes a revenge on herself through Emma.

Maybe there will be an important choice to be made in the next few playables days.

I don't remember if at some point she described herself during the high school years, if she was the "nerdy" type. But it could be that she sees something of her younger herself in Emma.

My impression was that her attitude towards Emma was somehow similar to her attitude with the Mayers boys (at least for what we have seen so far).
I had the impression that Sophia is the "progressive" person thanks to her studies, biology in particular, and she is not shy of talking about sex and relationships (Sam, Ellie, Dylan...) just from a pure educational point of view.
So to me she was just trying to "free" Emma showing her that she should not be shy and not consider herself an outlier just because she is good and passionate about school and learning.
But obviously there could be also some projection.

 

[Leldorin]

On the “how to win time on the game making ” for me, that would be pretty easy. Stop introducing new characters with a role that can easily be replaced by some of the already introduced characters.
I’m pretty sure that a more author would been able to merge some of the sides characters. (I mean, what the point of having 3 different old guys when they are not even characters? I know it may change in the future but I’m pretty sure that none of them will be that much different from the others).

And the second solution would be to drop all the Dylan and Ellie side storylines. I would just keep a romantic and a non-romantic route for each of them. For example, if Dylan is supposed to hook up with Marie to gain some experience then you keep her in the story.
But if it’s just another branching in Dylan storyline (with or without Marie) then you drop her .
Anything that doesn’t involve Sophia as the main protagonist, you drop it ( Dylan/Amber, Dylan/Ellie, possibly Ellie/Sam and who knows what other side storylines).
You drop all that and you can remove 3 to 4 events for each playable day . In fact, you can remove half of the next day events . Reducing it to 7 or 8 events. We would go back to a comparable number of events as when the game started. Dylan would still have the most events (2 or 3 ) but at least we would be able to have much quicker updates. So that, you know, we may advance Sophia storylines...

And then once you finish a wife and mother in 8 years instead of 15 , then you make a proper “a brother and sister” game where you put all those “what if storylines ” with Dylan and/or Ellie as M.C .

Because I ‘m not really sure if it’s a good strategy that he has adopted to put what could be 2 or 3 games in one.

You look at the next day and either you consider Dylan as your Mc so you’re obviously happy.
Or you don’t give a shit about him so now you have mostly a year and a half for the next playable days ( if we keep going at this speed).
But even if you like Dylan, you may only be interested in his relationship with Sophia and doesn’t care. Well guess what, that’ll be at the end of the day .

I’m not sure that going for multiple audiences at the same time while being alone on this project is the best solution to keep everyone happy.

I know that the poll that L&p did last year put Dylan around 15% of the most popular side characters.
And it’s not a case of what if he’s your 2nd or 3rd favorite characters because you could vote for multiple characters.
So every character was at the “right ” place on the poll.
So yeah Dylan is the most favorite character.
But not by far . Ellie is at 13%, Sam and Patricia at 10 or 9%. . ( or something like that can’t remember exactly).
It’s not like Dylan was at 40% then Ellie at 10% and Sam and Patricia at 5% .
In fact if you look at the poll in reverse, Dylan being at 15% mean that for 85% of the patreons, Dylan is not part of their favorite characters...

Maybe it was a good idea and the number of his patreons will grow significantly or maybe he will upset everybody who will ask why it’s taking so long to have an update with their favorite characters.

 

[Atton563]

It's only a short distance from

If she's drunk and with somebody she really like's Sam seem's to be the most likely at the minute no matter how much I hate the idea, Then yeah maybe it is only a short distance from a kiss or roaming hands as seen with Tyler in the club but to full on sex with anybody other than the main people in her life like Dyaln/Sam/Zac and the like without booze being involved I still feel there's aways to go. That being said I think somebody posted that her first encounter will be with somebody we don't expect.

 

[Atton563]

And the second solution would be to drop all the Dylan and Ellie side storylines. I would just keep a romantic and a non-romantic route for each of them. For example, if Dylan is supposed to hook up with Marie to gain some experience then you keep her in the story.
But if it’s just another branching in Dylan storyline (with or without Marie) then you drop her .
Anything that doesn’t involve Sophia as the main protagonist, you drop it ( Dylan/Amber, Dylan/Ellie, possibly Ellie/Sam and who knows what other side storylines).
You drop all that and you can remove 3 to 4 events for each playable day . In fact, you can remove half of the next day events . Reducing it to 7 or 8 events. We would go back to a comparable number of events as when the game started. Dylan would still have the most events (2 or 3 ) but at least we would be able to have much quicker updates. So that, you know, we may advance Sophia storylines...

But doesn't the Dylan/Ellie story have the potential to speed up Sophia's corruption a great deal I mean if they end up getting intimate or even sexual with each other and then Sophia catches them it could advance both of there storys with her a lot quicker. The same could be said with the Dylan/Amber story she sees a woman who has known her son his whole life getting close to him and begins to wonder why she can't do the same with Sam since they are in the same boat.

 

[You Don't See Me]

If she's drunk and with somebody she really like's Sam seem's to be the most likely at the minute no matter how much I hate the idea, Then yeah maybe it is only a short distance from a kiss or roaming hands as seen with Tyler in the club but to full on sex with anybody other than the main people in her life like Dyaln/Sam/Zac and the like without booze being involved I still feel there's aways to go. That being said I think somebody posted that her first encounter will be with somebody we don't expect.

I tried to say (and got lost) that it's only a short distance from riding a Sybian (almost to orgasm) to a human sexual experience. Since the writer likes to stretch the story out you may be right in that there is a ways to go.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

There is no plan.

Everything he does is off the cuff (that means "unplanned" for you non-english speakers). The coaching storyline was literally introduce in the last update and didn't survive to the following update. What a masterclass in showing that you don't have a plan. Now he wants to make it DLC? How long until that runs amok?

It's frustrating because I felt the coaching job had a lot of potential to consolidate characters into one location. This would have made it easier for characters to interact.

 

[xxxorro]

That being said I think somebody posted that her first encounter will be with somebody we don't expect.

Yes L&P said so.
Funny thing though, when you say something like that, everybody will drop the most expected, say e.g. Dylan or Sam, and start to consider the less expected one, say e.g. DeShawn, which will make him the most expected at that point.
And, in turn, the Dylans or Sams of choice will become eligible. A sort of catch 22!

 

[nexer]

The coaching event was directly related to Aiden. As Sophia has the opportunity to say no to Aiden, you need events for these new situations. I think that's the reason for abandoning this event.

 

[ancienregimele]

What's the possibility of a gangbang happening on Aiden route?or maybe with gym guys

There's no possibility.

 

[Atton563]

Yes L&P said so.
Funny thing though, when you say something like that, everybody will drop the most expected, say e.g. Dylan or Sam, and start to consider the less expected one, say e.g. DeShawn, which will make him the most expected at that point.
And, in turn, the Dylans or Sams of choice will become eligible. A sort of catch 22!

Well I only see Liam, Dylan, Sam, Ellie, Patrica and Alyssa as people she actually have sex with since they're the one's that we get points with granted Aylssa falls under Lesbian Temptaion bracket, I think DeShawn and Vicki are just here to increase her filthy and LT points through events but I could be wrong as I'm not sure if there's a Vicki/Sophia path at the minute since she seems to be mostly a lesser side character at this point.

 

[ol_dirty]

I had a technical question. When the update comes out, are you able to move your save file to the new update or do you have to play all over again?