He gets minimum 3000 dollars by month, multiply by the years of development, thats alot of money: minimum 300k dollars by his story.
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For all the beauty and quality of the extreme drawings, I would choose more history, quick update.
In addition, the quality of the renders can be improved after the game is completed. Then it will not be so critical.
If finances allowed me, I would do just that. But unfortunately, my account, both in the bank and in the bitcoin wallet, is not of that level.
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It was a mistake to upscale to 1080p. The graphics were already good a couple updates ago, we didn't need all the bells and whistles that he's added. I've said before that L&P is an artist first and foremost, he isn't a game designer. He's so hung up on the art that he has lost track of the larger game that the images are supposed to serve. I can see L&P becoming a creator that just makes single images and sells them on Patreon. He's most comfortable when he's spending hours on a single image tweaking the lighting or the placement of pigeons. Everything else, including the story, is secondary.
So it will take 7-8 years from the beginning of the game to reach its first sex scene on corruption route
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I was going to say, four months sounds optimistic right now. Unless L&P gets major pushback from his Patrons, I think he will continue to stretch the development cycles. I still hesitate to use the word "milker" because I don't think he's milking people, but until he gets pushback his only incentive is to keep doing what he wants to do. If that means spending a whole week on a single image he'll do it unless his Patrons get pissed. From where I sit right now, I think we'll only get two updates this year. If that happens, and nothing changes from L&P, 2022 could see similar output.
I think 2021 is shaping up to be a critical year for this game. Not only do we see the game itself taking a radical turn in how it presents Sophia, but we're also seeing an evolution in its development. I think we're at an inflection point in which the game can either hit its stride with regular releases, or it can begin to grind to a halt. A month ago I didn't think this game was in danger of being abandoned, but I would be a liar if I said there aren't warning signs now.
Regarding being abandoned, this game has been showing those signs since last year.
The dev himself won't address the "this game will only be finished in 20 years at this rate" issue and if he had any intention of finishing this VN he would have already made changes to its development. So far the changes he makes are always in a way that it stretches development even more.
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You are correct I think he should take a year between releases of the update by this he can add 2-3 playable together in a single update which will be much better than just 5-6 minutes of gameplay we are getting now per update
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Agree that the symptoms are all there. Not saying it's all over and we won't see anything else from this game, but it's hard to imagine another two years of development and we're looking at only two more days in the life. At some point, surely, L&P will have to evaluate the situation and make a decision about how to proceed.
I can't help but think of GRRM and A Song of Ice and Fire. Let's first remember that the original pitch was for an epic trilogy. The whole thing was really tight in book one, book two was less tight and had new characters and storylines. By Storm of Swords everything was getting more and more detail intensive, storylines and locations grew, new characters came into play, and well, book four became two books, book five became part 2 of book four and another several hundred pages from that were pushed into book six which is now what, 11 years in the coming?
Like AWAM, I really think ASOIAF is fantastic, engrossing and I am anxiously awaiting the next release. And like ASOIAF, I'm becoming ever less optimistic that AWAM will ever be finished.
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Of all the ideas about speeding things up, I think this may be the best yet. If L&P were looking at things in much larger chunks it might actually help to streamline things - realize they don't need so much detail (dialogue and inner monologue) in every single scene, they'd probably learn to better appreciate the story for what it is rather than focusing with ever more intensity on a single image and what it is
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I play just about every route (even the GW for fuck's sake) for the simple reason that I want more than 5-6 minutes of gameplay per update...
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I started ASOIF at book 2... I am like... its... how do I ... shit!!!
Why do I do this to myself!!!
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You know, this may actually be a fair comparison. If 2021 and 2022 only have four (or even six) updates, and the story has progressed fewer than two days, then even the most diligent and committed creator would begin to run out of gas.
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There are 18 days left. At present rate, about one day per year (let's be optimistic and say lightly more) so call it 15 years.
15 yr *12 mo/yr * $3000/mo = $540,000.
In some parts of the world that could actually be a colossal sum. In others, meh...
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Personally, I don't think they can be compared.
I suspect that Martin does not finish the book, as, after the controversial ending of the series, he is afraid to disappoint the fans. Why would he risk it?
After the series, his life changed dramatically, he has a lot of money, the love of fans, and now he begins to curate a dozen series on HBO.
In the case of L&P, I might be wrong, but developing this game is his main job.
There is a lot of money at stake, and I don't think he's willing to risk it.
So regardless of the mood or lack of inspiration, he will somehow finish this game. The only question will be the distance between updates.
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I see your point, but he wouldn't be the first creator to shut down a financially successful game. I think sometimes, when the creative joy has be rung from a game, an artist can decide that they would rather try something new rather than force themselves to finish something that they're no longer in love with. The longer a project stretches, the more likely this could happen IMO.
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pigeons are sexy
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Maybe it has something to do with the concert event? You have to consider that the concert is not the actual event, but what takes place afterwards. Sophia, Ellie and Patricia will go there together by car to watch his performance. I don't think Sophia will stay there alone after the concert, do you? For what reason? And what would Ellie and Patricia think? Maybe the telescope comes into play then? She goes to the balcony, she knows he's watching her and slowly undresses for him and they both masturbate to climax? Other idea?
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I don't think we are quite there story-wise for what you describe.
It is a plausible scenario though, similar to the teasing during the basketball break, this time a little bit more explicit maybe, but still at the level of teasing for Sophia IMO.
(and as it has been pointed out, the telescope is not really useful to watch a neighbour 20-30 meters far away
)I think that what happens at the concert depends also on how the events of the day unfold.
So far we have seen Sophia naked at different levels in all events of PD 12, which is quite a start of the day!
With everything else that is coming in the next release we have to realistically think that not all events will be so explicit.
It would be interesting to have a graph similar to the one already done for each character by Jude6 in which we keep track of the nudity content/level of each PD.
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The demo was released around Oct 2017. So it's more like a decade from demo release to first sex scene (approximately).So it will take 7-8 years from the beginning of the game to reach its first sex scene on corruption route
When I coded the spreadsheet, the main thing you can change is the time between updates, since that's the thing we're really just guessing at. I originally kept it at 90 days, since that was between the 2 months L&P was aiming for, and the 4 months people were saying at the time.
I think we'll need to see how long v.150 takes to make. If it also takes around 5.5 months, then the 2-month aim really was a joke.
In my spreadsheet I already keep track of which characters are in which events, so I may be able to knock something up. That's why I find the pace of the Dylan route so glacial - I can easily and quickly determine it took 29 events that Patricia achieved in her second (Seeing Sophia naked). Even Ellie did it in 14.I don't think we are quite there story-wise for what you describe.
It is a plausible scenario though, similar to the teasing during the basketball break, this time a little bit more explicit maybe, but still at the level of teasing for Sophia IMO.
(and as it has been pointed out, the telescope is not really useful to watch a neighbour 20-30 meters far away
I think that what happens at the concert depends also on how the events of the day unfold.
So far we have seen Sophia naked at different levels in all events of PD 12, which is quite a start of the day!
With everything else that is coming in the next release we have to realistically think that not all events will be so explicit.
It would be interesting to have a graph similar to the one already done for each character by Jude6 in which we keep track of the nudity content/level of each PD.