VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Julius Kingsley]

any action yet?

 

[Jack Adams]

Eheh, maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not, who knows!
I had few chuckles myself during the play-through because I felt like some dialogues or scenes were placed there almost on purpose to "address" some of the questions/remarks that have been circulating here on the forum.
For example:

• The "guessing Sophia's size" thing. People wondering how Aiden could guess the right size for the suit, L&P even took the time to reply. In the game, first during the 1st side job with the elderlies she asked how they could have found the right size for the skimpy dress. Then in the Aiden task, finally he came with 2 suits, a little bit different than his answer. It felt like he wanted to address the problem with that move but it is also strange that there was no scene with Sophia trying both suits (ok... more renders etc). And for a moment I thought the two suits was a choice to give the player, between the open one of the first teaser and the second one with reduced cleavage.
• Obviously the fact that Aiden briefly explains Sophia where they are going. That thing triggered a heated argument in the forum and again he jumped in to clarify. And Aiden almost used his same words saying something in the line of "what's in for me if you get harmed" in order to reassure her. Ok this one probably was there from the beginning because it was also logic to have that discussion before leaving. But still it felt like he wanted to stressed even more the point.

Disappointingly enough (for me), he did not show how Sophia managed to fit all the clothes in the bag... I guess we have to take the render he posted here for good.

In the end, maybe all those speculations are not completely useless neither for him

You made some astute observations here, and I like your 'big picture' thinking. I maintain that as we connect the dots of his response to our comments (both positive and negative) we get a clearer image for his motivation and sources of his inspiration. It is iconically intuitive that the sum of anyone's intent is not wholly bad or good, but rather a blend of the two mixed with the ethically neutral. What I look for (and primarily defend) is the expression of an artform for its own sake. This includes the renders, the story and the impact the art has on the audience it reaches. In terms of impact L&P has succeeded in spades! I measure impact in terms of the magnitude of its reaction, not just the positive responses. For some here L&P's efforts are loved while for others it appears to lean more towards 'love to hate'. In either case, it is definitely an attention magnet!

Due to testosterone aggravation unrequited it seems unrealistic to hope for any peaceful resolution soon between L&P's presentation style, and the desires he provokes in his audience. This is his fundamental intent whether he realizes it or not. It is the source of his revenue, success and the product of the 'slow burn' both in the game and the protracted real time experience of his audience. For some it may not be possible the separate the frustration of the burn from the author of its source...and the drama will continue to unfold naturally to its intended conclusion.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

I think we lost a great opportunity with the Aiden's scene.

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Not a chance. For that to be believable you have to assume Aiden is hiding a more empathic reasonable side to his personality. A brutish, selfish person like Aiden would never even be able to conceive of acting like that.

 

[hmc15]

This entitled attitude is sickening as hell.

Ok, so a bunch of my friend and I get together to play a game of tag in the backyard. One of them cheats, and we are supposed to keep quiet about it because it is "a free game"? Free or Paid, POOR QUALITY, should be pointed out at every chance in order to PREVENT someone else from paying money or FUTURE 'poor quality" being released.

Uh, just to clarify? Am I supposed to PAY the full $60 dollars to play a friend's copy of a game at that friend's house using that friend's X-box? Or am I allowed to play it "freely" while visiting, knowing that the developer isn't going to be "reimbursed" for his time no matter what? Or should I NOT play a game "freely" at a friend's house while visiting UNLESS I happen to own my personally purchased copy at home?

And as far as "dealing with idiots like myself"? Well, seeing how I REFUSE to spend money on THIS type of update schedule and LACK of progressing content, I don't see how the developer has to "deal with me" when I am not a member of their Patreon, and can therefor be completely ignored or never seen by said developer?

PS: As far as "idiots like myself"? Uh, generally speaking, when someone is capable of writing a well reasoned point of contention and uses proper English spelling and grammar, they are NOT considered "an idiot" by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, you tend to get the MOST productivity out of someone providing you detailed context and well-thought-out reasons for adding/subtracting content from a project. As well as provide an outlet for other people to take those reasons into consideration and adjust their own views (positively or negatively) into their own responses to whatever their issues may be about a project.


And to clarify. I called your reply "entitled attitude" because there is a feeling that just because something is "free", it doesn't matter if it is GOOD or not, it is 'free". Well, "free" shit is still shit. And I refuse to eat a shit sandwich without at LEAST complaining about the smell, just because it is 'free'.

You didnt pay for it and nobody is forcing you to play it.

Don't you have minorities to harass or schools to shoot-up?

Move along, Karen

 

[maybes4]

Lets look at the bright side guys.
Obviously there is still no sex in the game(except with liam) but we need to realize that we're just at day 12th (the game has 30days) , meaning we've not come half road.
I guess sophia would have sex on at least day 20th.

 

[didiloki]

A little bit disappointed, i was thinking that something, which make Sophia excited, was added to the wine.

 

[Aalorian]

Lets look at the bright side guys.
Obviously there is still no sex in the game(except with liam) but we need to realize that we're just at day 12th (the game has 30days) , meaning we've not come half road.
I guess sophia would have sex on at least day 20th.

so you think its ok for a PORN game (that isnt labeled as slow burn) to not have sex for almost half of the entire game.



Sounds illogical much

 

[jamesbatg]

anyone have the sex scene save? i cant seem to get it

 

[firstquest123]

how do i play the DLC

 

[maybes4]

so you think its ok for a PORN game (that isnt labeled as slow burn) to not have sex for almost half of the entire game.



Sounds illogical much

I dont see any problem here.
You still get erotic without any sex scene right?
I mean sex is important but its not all.
Lets take jav example: There are huge amount of Japanese adult movies you only see sex in the last half. No one complain bc they enjoy the story in the first half too.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Plus he/she is wrong, there is no pre-pubescent characters in the game involved, so the p-word doesn't apply in the slightest.
But if that is enough to get people who dont like it to stop playing the game I am all for it ;-

This update shown very clearly - what was always the main focus of the game in authors mind - and what I always pointed out:

The immoral relationship of mature woman with young characters of both genders, including incestous - was always meant as main focus of the game !

Honestly - I was a little bit suprised that even Eiden task involved young male characters in it, but it only showed it very clear.

And Non-con is something I am honestly hopping to see appearing in this game a lot more. No excesive violence, but non-con and dub-con are the hottest thing, and so far it was lacking in this game.

Never claimed they were prepubescent, I've always said they were "high school age". But since I believe junior high school in America starts at age 12, and the younger of the boys might be that or a little older, and since that is most certainly below the age of consent, I have no issues asserting, and continuing to assert that it's pedophilia.

I mean at least Dylan, Sam and that crowd is above the age of consent.

anyone have the sex scene save? i cant seem to get it

You're wanting to play the Good Wife route? Because really that's the only way you're going to get a sex scene for maybe a decade.

 

[DIRTY FILTHY Animal]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!! Sophia Parker actually stroked dicks that werent her cuckold Liam's, even if they were 2 uncircumcized shota boy dicks & she got to feel Aidens bare boner on her back in disguise

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

I mean at least Dylan, Sam and that crowd is above the age of consent.

i don't think so, dylan and sam model on daz is boys around 14-15 years old, and shota boy around 11-13 years old

 

[ashitanojoe]

Not a chance. For that to be believable you have to assume Aiden is hiding a more empathic reasonable side to his personality. A brutish, selfish person like Aiden would never even be able to conceive of acting like that.

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But I'm talking about seduction, not of an empathic nor reasonable side of him. Seduction doesn't have anything to do with being good or bad, reasonable or unreasonable. Sometimes the most charming men in intimacy are terrible people in real life, many times they are selfish, big manipulators and womanizers. Do you never heard about that saying of women prefer the bad boys? Or about the devil being related with eroticism?

My point is that Aiden ruined the eroticism of that moment. By the way, he would continue to be a prick just by groping Sophia without her consent, but he could have done that in a more fashionable way. Also, I prefer multi-dimensional characters over the one-dimensional ones, not as Aiden is being portrayed right now: a rude and brute bully and that's all.

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

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please put it on spoilers, this game updates is still new

My point is that Aiden ruined the eroticism of that moment. By the way, he would continue to be a prick just by groping Sophia without her consent, but he could have done that in a more fashionable way. Also, I prefer multi-dimensional characters over the one-dimensional ones, not as Aiden is being portrayed right now: a rude and brute bully and that's all.

i agree, after seeing dylan beating hobo like a champ i think he is now able to defeat aiden and his gang

 

[maybes4]

So it took 4 years to make 12 days.. so we are looking at 5-6 more years

Maybe its not that bad.
LP can hire someone to help him,increasing the pace or cut off some content to just focus on important routes

 

[Deleted member 1023239]

Maybe its not that bad.
LP can hire someone to help him,increasing the pace or cut off some content to just focus on important routes

nope he already mention to take the project on himself

 

[maybes4]

nope he already mention to take the project on himself

Then he just need to cut some characters off to make it faster. There so many ones that are not important added to the game:
Museum guys, sauna guy, nerd girl, friends of partricia, girl friends of dylan, liam...

 

[Alley_Cat]

So I had a thought ... Dylan gets royally screwed over in this update. Aiden gets to rub his cock on Sophia, and the only time Dylan comes close to this you have to send him to boarding school, which ends Sophia/Dylan. From my understanding, Sophia can even like Aiden's cock on her (although at the time she doesn't realise it's him). And she jerks off the kids.

While the Dylan event is impossible without cheating.

Which makes me curious, if Dylan fans are powerful enough to remove "the Twist", which doesn't even affect the route they play, how are they okay with the content of this update, which does? Why has there been no comments on Patreon?

i don't think so, dylan and sam model on daz is boys around 14-15 years old, and shota boy around 11-13 years old

The Daz model for Dylan is Tween Ryan 7, so the "tween" part of that means under 13. But you can easily change the morphs to make him look older. And L&P himself has said he designed Dylan to be about 16 - 17. Which, considering last I checked in America is 16, is above the age of consent, but below the age of majority.

Maybe its not that bad.
LP can hire someone to help him,increasing the pace or cut off some content to just focus on important routes

No, it's worse. If each update takes about this long, we're looking at the game being completed around 2047. And considering those that want to see paths like "Coach Sophia" which have now been moved to DLC and may only be made after that, for them it's going to be even longer

 

[maybes4]

So I had a thought ... Dylan gets royally screwed over in this update. Aiden gets to rub his cock on Sophia, and the only time Dylan comes close to this you have to send him to boarding school, which ends Sophia/Dylan. From my understanding, Sophia can even like Aiden's cock on her (although at the time she doesn't realise it's him). And she jerks off the kids.

While the Dylan event is impossible without cheating.

Which makes me curious, if Dylan fans are powerful enough to remove "the Twist", which doesn't even affect the route they play, how are they okay with the content of this update, which does? Why has there been no comments on Patreon?


The Daz model for Dylan is Tween Ryan 7, so the "tween" part of that means under 13. But you can easily change the morphs to make him look older. And L&P himself has said he designed Dylan to be about 16 - 17. Which, considering last I checked in America is 16, is above the age of consent, but below the age of majority.

No, it's worse. If each update takes about this long, we're looking at the game being completed around 2047. And considering those that want to see paths like "Coach Sophia" which have now been moved to DLC and may only be made after that, for them it's going to be even longer

What? Who is the coach? And the dlc is a real thing? I thought it was a joke of LP to make fun of EA in the first place i saw it.