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Bishop Robert

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Yep. Not only does she have Nathalie's tattoo, but it even now says it's Nathalie waiting at the front steps at the end of the Sophia/Dylan event. And even if you don't do the event, Sophia gets a phone call saying Nathalie is waiting at the front door.
Wtf? If thats Amber with Nat's tattoo, what does that mean? Is her husband in on this as well?

I think L&P needs to update his game and fix this.
 

Poser_Voyeur

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So the mods took down the whole debate all together. Well actually that was for the best. Debating over the legality of a scene in the game and that it is potentially promoting crimes is stupid to begin with.
A simple choice just like the way KillJoys did. He didn't like, he deleted the saves for it and moved on. And does not care if you like it or not. Be like him.

Also since now people have already decided whether they want to play this route or not, the next time shouldn't be an outrage. Since people who don't like it have already walked out of it.

Also I do feel like I should apologize to the members of this thread. Because surely it must have be a mood spoiler reading about crimes of the real world on a forum like this. I would have been irritated If every other post was like that. So sincere apologies from my side for the spam.
Thanks - and like KillJoys I have also deleted those saves and moved on.
 
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Alex kryle

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Frankly I thought people overreacted about the update yesterday, but after I played it myself, you all were right. This was by far the worst update. It was filled with cliches (“she is my girlfriend...”), boring scenes and more dicks than pussy. 2 left breasts, that was it, can you believe that?

This felt like a first v0.1 edition of a new game.
Yes very true... It showed...old man's...dicks...kids dick.. Aiden s dick....and no pussy....only Sophia's tit..and just left.... Can anyone tell...when will DLS update come which is shown after end of 0.115 version
 

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I hesitate to comment as more often than not my contributions on the main thread are deleted. In spite of this I will proceed with temerity.
I believe that there is a second purpose to meeting Andy and Cathy later in the evening, and I believe it is after the Sam performance event. Due to the age of the members in Sam's band it is quite likely that there could be an early performance time for them which would be followed by a more mature band to finish the evening's entertainment. This is how I envision this upcoming event as anticipatory entertainment:
Sophia, Patricia and Ellie arrive at the bar and experience a higher quality band than they expected from first-time performers. The music is retro which lights up Sophia's interest, as well as other patrons of the bar. There may be an opportunity for women (lubricated by inebriation) to flash the good-looking young men playing the inspiring music (would Sophia join the crowd?) After the performance Sam offers an under-the-influence Sophia a ride home in his new 68' Pontiac Firebird. They park on the way home and there is kissing and fondling which Sophia gets lost in (having a potential filthy of well over 110). Getting lost in the moment fits the pattern established in Day 9 at the club with Tyler and Day 11 with Zac. Each time there is an interruption that snaps Sophia back into reality. The interruption this time would be a reminder call from Liam to meet him at Andy and Cathy's, or noticing the time on Sam's dash clock.
This would also be a good lead-in for the afternoon event with Sam the next day.
This among other potential options would be fun scenarios to watch.
 

Leldorin

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Ok. This will be a sort of first impression of the update. This might be a long one so you may want to skip ahead if you don’t want to read long blocks of text.

-Let’s get the elephant out of the room with the 2nd side job first.
I stopped playing the event when she grab the second dick (for apparently no reasonable reason but more on that later).
Not because it I was shocked or anything like that (let’s just say I have read some story with much more fucked up content... so nothing impress me that much anymore).
What’s more important to me in a story is the context, the tone, pacing,etc.

Here it felt like I was reading one of the fanfic in the fan art section and in a weird may my brain was telling me to stop waisting time and play Awam since the update was finally out...

So I played other events and then came back to the 2nd side job with a new mindset :
-I will play it exactly I felt it. A fanfic.
Not really connected to the rest of the game and where Sophia would do things she would never do at this point (at least not that far).

So with that out of the way... The event in itself...
The kids looks weird. I have no idea what age they could be because they almost don’t look human.Like kids with adult features.

As for Sophia in the event the event, the moment she said something like :“ah... fuck it. I’ll just do it.”, almost felt like L&p was saying the same thing while doing the scene.
And as for the kids... either they are badly written or poorly portrayed, or they’re not as innocent as they appear to be.

-The moment Sophia bring that she may go to jail for having them undress in front of her, one of them tell her that they do it from their own volition so it’s not a problem.( How could he know something like that wouldn’t be a problem...in the fictional world of Awam ?)

-The stick “magically” disappear so now she has to touch them directly...

-The “can you do it on me too...?”. There’s not really a reason for the kids to not understand what Sophia is telling them with just one model.

-And lastly this are supposed to be super smart kids with college level understanding but they can’t comprehend when Sophia tell them how to masturbate, or the drawing or all the stupid things with the discussion regarding breast ?

Either L&p is really inconsistent in his portrayal of the kids or they are not so innocent (maybe not all of thebut at least the one who looks older)

-Moving on to the first side job.
After 3or 4 events where literally nothing happens here we go at last...well not really.
This should have been their first or second event instead of being there for nothing for so long.
Other than that it was the most boring event because the old guys are just that : old guys.
In resume, this storyline boils down to:
-If you’re into the old guy/milf fantasy, you might enjoy the event
-If you don’t like that kink, you won’t (obviously)
-And if you’re like me and don’t give shit either way, this was a mostly bland event with the most bland old guys seen in every game with old dudes .

-Next the Sophia/Dylan event .
Nothing different from Dylan. Talking about her boobs, ass, legs or how can he see more of her body. And he grab her ass . Twice. Even when she say no.
Same good old Dylan.
As for Sophia she’s far more accepting of Dylan behavior, even after he grabbed her. So, there some sort of “progress” in that area.
As for the catalyst for changing Sophia view of Dylan, some might have preferred a less “cliche” way of portraying the change (Dylan being a “hero” by defeating a “bad guy”).
For me it doesn’t change anything, because as I have previously stated,
I don’t believe one moment in Dylan as a character or the Sophia/Dylan relationship. So it’s not one or two more trope that will change my view.
(Weirdly enough maybe because the 2nd side job was so out there, I was strangely ok with the Sophia/Dylan event)

My only gripe was how the “3rd side job” was introduced.
It was so lazy. I was like :“Huh. Wait what..?”
3 or 4 lines of dialogue from a guy that’s supposed to be Dylan (I imagine it was him since his name was portrayed on the dialogue box)...
It was as subtle as if we add a black screen and suddenly L&p asked us :
-Are you into the homeless/middle class milf fantasy? Yes/No ?

-I didn’t play the Aiden event enough (I admit I started pressing the skip button after the 3rd or 4th block of text from Xavier all the way to the end).
So... the renders seems nice, I guess.
I’ll come back to it later once I played this event in its entirety.


And lastly, the Dylan/Emma event.
You may think that I’m joking and I’m quite surprised to say so myself but this was the highlight of the update for me (and even one of the best event for a while).

First it was short. I know it’s necessary for some events to have more renders but this one was perfectly passed for what he was trying to tell.

2nd, no unnecessary Dylan point of view. The event is told from Sophia perspective so when she leaves them alone, we don’t see what happens.(and we don’t need to).

3rd, Dylan act like the shy awkward teenager that he’s supposed to be and not like a weirdo that wants to fuck his mom(and aunt and sister) for no other reason that it’s an game with incest .

4th , Sophia give him advice related to his primary problem which was that he wasn’t even able to start a conversation with a girl (the sexual education should have come later).
Until now Sophia advices was making as much sense as if the 2 of them was working on a farm and Dylan complained that the cows refused to listen to him and Sophia response was to show him how to cook a steak.

5th, Dylan make progress by his own work and not because he’s a sort of a 2nd Mc that every milf and their daughters are now being irresistibly attracted to while he sit on his ass mostly doing nothing to get that sudden attention.

Alright. 2 last words.

The idea of a dlc for the side job is a good one but don’t expect him to wait until the end of the game to release it.

He has qualified the 2nd side job as one of the hottest and one of the highlight of the game. And how he couldn’t wait to start it (which is clearly apparent with how much he went overboard with this event)
So at best it would be delivered alongside the game for those who feel discomfort. But there would be no gain in terms of speed of updates.

The first time job has at least confirmed for me that whatever a character says they won’t, can’t, shouldn’t or wouldn’t do, it has a 99% chance to happen.
She wasn’t supposed to bath the old guys. Well...

That’s all for now. Thanks for reading until then.
 

Poser_Voyeur

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Sophia said earlier scene that she was incognito and nobody new her name did the kid slip interesting also nice view
I guess it's possible that L&P might have slipped up. Or it could be a subtle hint that she was nt as incognito as she thought she was.

Thanks - I had nt spotted this on my playthrough. This makes me even more convinced that not only did Aiden set them up for himself to be Ares, but had also set up his mates to be students. None of them are Aiden's gang members that we have met already.

I am still wondering if they are either another class at the same school (and thus Sophia might have seen them around at a distance but not taught them directly in her class) or they were an opposing soccer team or something like that. But I had that vibe that they know her even before that name slip.
 

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I have finished playing v0.130 and went through things carefully, critically, and analytically. Here comes a long post... Then I'm probably gonna roll out until around next update because the party is over for now.

Here is my analysis of the update of the game as a whole where it stands, and how it could be improved to get better feedback in the future.

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Great Analysis bro
 
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Poser_Voyeur

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No, I don't want her becoming anyone's bitch. That's not believable & I don't want Sophia's persona drifting all over the place, in a way we've just witnessed via the 2nd side job. If Sophia ends up enjoying the tasks, taking the initiative, or submitting too readily, it ruins the whole deal IMO. Yet, regretably, that is what I think has been telegraphed, as early as the first task. If protagonists in stories of this type do any of the above they end up too far out of character. At that point there is no blackmail. If Sophia isn't forced or tricked into doing things on the blackmail route(s), the story might as well be called 'A Cheating Wife & Mother.' This whole fantasy revolves around gaining a measure of power over a beautiful, intelligent woman. It doesn't involve turning her into a type of sex slave.

So far, L&P has got the balance between coercion & partial enjoyment just right. It's been one of the more successful routes IMO because of this. It's certainly an area where the Dev's storytelling ability is vital.

There has been confusion in the thread IMO. Blackmail routes & their possibilities are far more subtle than BDSM. I'm not into dungeons, whips, masks, chains, latex, rubber, et al, ad nauseum. [Just thought I'd clear that up, in case anybody was in the least bit interested]. As I've said before, coercion is an integral part of corruption games. It is almost essential & has been present in every game/VN of this genre I've ever played. Strangely, incest, although common, doesn't appear as regularly.

I want Sophia to complete the 12 tasks, more or less unwillingly & then go back to being herself, albeit more open to new experiences & definitely more corrupt & corruptible. As she is able to 'reset' (not in a particularly realistic way, it has to be said), after every out of the ordinary sexual encounter, this should be achievable.
I agree 99% on the balance of coercion and partial enjoyment of the blackmail tasks - I loved the art class and the posing but thought "Ares" was just a bit too brutish for what was only the third task out of twelve.

And that 'reset' is going to get harder and harder as the tasks go on. Before the art class I was expecting several more tasks of teasing before several further tasks involving sexual acts (with the final couple of tasks involving full sex). Yet in that art class Aiden was able to roughly fondle Sophia's breast and nipple, shove his erect cock right against her naked back and stroke her just above her pussy.

To me that means that unless the 4th tasks are a step backwards, the wait until sexual acts of whatever sort is not much further away. Either Sophia having to given Aiden a handjob or Aiden fingering Sophia. Now if the 4th task is in school then it is unlikely to happen then but I could quite easily see it happening now for the 5th task.
 

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I guess it's possible that L&P might have slipped up. Or it could be a subtle hint that she was nt as incognito as she thought she was.

Thanks - I had nt spotted this on my playthrough. This makes me even more convinced that not only did Aiden set them up for himself to be Ares, but had also set up his mates to be students. None of them are Aiden's gang members that we have met already.

I am still wondering if they are either another class at the same school (and thus Sophia might have seen them around at a distance but not taught them directly in her class) or they were an opposing soccer team or something like that. But I had that vibe that they know her even before that name slip.
You didn’t notice, but I noticed during the passage that Sofia reasoned that she was in an art workshop incogneto. Therefore, when one of the guys calls her by her name, I personally do not understand at all that Sofia had absolutely no reaction! What can you think about it, I can’t even imagine! Perhaps this is a mistake, I will write L&P, I will ask. Because this is a very unclear situation.
 

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All the same, I'm wondering what this meeting will be about?

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Any suggestions?
First of all, I want to note that the update came out very highly artistic and technically challenging. I can't understand the indignation of people! I understand only them in one that we will have to wait a very long time until the next update.:(

What concerns the meeting: maybe they want to talk about a bachelorette party or propose a swinger party.;)
 

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I agree 99% on the balance of coercion and partial enjoyment of the blackmail tasks - I loved the art class and the posing but thought "Ares" was just a bit too brutish for what was only the third task out of twelve.

And that 'reset' is going to get harder and harder as the tasks go on. Before the art class I was expecting several more tasks of teasing before several further tasks involving sexual acts (with the final couple of tasks involving full sex). Yet in that art class Aiden was able to roughly fondle Sophia's breast and nipple, shove his erect cock right against her naked back and stroke her just above her pussy.

To me that means that unless the 4th tasks are a step backwards, the wait until sexual acts of whatever sort is not much further away. Either Sophia having to given Aiden a handjob or Aiden fingering Sophia. Now if the 4th task is in school then it is unlikely to happen then but I could quite easily see it happening now for the 5th task.
While I agree with you and ancienregimele in that the balance is vital for this game, the complicating factor is the self-imposed time limit of 30 days. If the idea is that Sophia will start Day 1 at 0% corruption and will reach 100% corruption by Day 30, that will necessitate some major jumps in her actions. Playable Day 12 will probably be remembered a turning point in the game for this reason as she's done a lot of things this day that she wouldn't have done a day earlier. Putting aside the 2nd side job, her behavior all day has been at the extreme end of what most of us find believable. For some it has been immersion breaking. However, if L&P sticks with a believable progression I don't think he can make the 30 day window (without adjustments like more time jumps). But that could also make for a game paced so painfully slow that few would want to play it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, one of the lessons learned is that starting a corruption game with a character as innocent as Sophia is really difficult. In the future I would like to see more corruption games start with a character already partially corrupted. I think it would help with issues of pacing.
 

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First of all, I want to note that the update came out very highly artistic and technically challenging. I can't understand the indignation of people! I understand only them in one that we will have to wait a very long time until the next update.:(

What concerns the meeting: maybe they want to talk about a bachelorette party or propose a swinger party.;)
Propose a swingers party? A daring game! This is how you lose friends quickly. Imagine you are happy to visit shortly before the wedding and you are surprised with the question: "Heh, we want to get married tomorrow, but we want to really fuck around again today. You are the first we ask if you want to be there! ".
It could work for Liam - he definitely checked out Cathy. But, as far as I can remember, Sophia showed no particular interest in Andrew. That means it would be a risk for Andrew and Cathy to ask directly. The two could propose an evening together in a table dance bar instead of a bachelorette party. And hope that something will come of it.
 
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While I agree with you and ancienregimele in that the balance is vital for this game, the complicating factor is the self-imposed time limit of 30 days. If the idea is that Sophia will start Day 1 at 0% corruption and will reach 100% corruption by Day 30, that will necessitate some major jumps in her actions. Playable Day 12 will probably be remembered a turning point in the game for this reason as she's done a lot of things this day that she wouldn't have done a day earlier. Putting aside the 2nd side job, her behavior all day has been at the extreme end of what most of us find believable. For some it has been immersion breaking. However, if L&P sticks with a believable progression I don't think he can make the 30 day window (without adjustments like more time jumps). But that could also make for a game paced so painfully slow that few would want to play it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, one of the lessons learned is that starting a corruption game with a character as innocent as Sophia is really difficult. In the future I would like to see more corruption games start with a character already partially corrupted. I think it would help with issues of pacing.
It's my understanding that, although he may change his mind, he has no plans to injected additional time-lapses in the novel and the 30 playable day window is what he intends to stick with as of now. So it appears it's going to be straight-through playable days. It's something I thought might happen as he has too many paths that he would have to line up in a time-lapse of a couple of weeks or longer if he wanted to go that route, that's a lot of work to do. So you may want to prepare yourself for some plotholes and unbelievable plots going forward.
 
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