VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Because the Ellie/Sophia storyline (like any other lesbian story) comes from the heart of the dev and is written with a soul. LP really has a talent for such stories.
But Dylan's story seems to be being written for the fans, since it was originally planned with completely different content.
I miss Ellie

And that's a little unfair to the other storylines. But cash always wins.

I agree with you about the story written with a soul for Sophia/Ellie, but Sophia/Dylan written for the fans? Which fans because I would like to meet them... I'm a fan, and I can tell you that most of the plot with Sophia/Dylan angers me as some make no sense whatsoever, even from the fictional point. Like most people, I try to guess the upcoming plot based on what I know, but I'm not 100% correct.

So I would definitely like to hear from L&P and find out what examples the fans are sending him. I know the perverted, spying, begging, etc... is something I didn't want to see in the novel for the first 11 P.D.s only have him flip the switch on the 12th P.D. He was having a mature conversation with Sophia as Ellie has in the shower with Sophia. Plus, I thought he might use the "sneak eyes" training on Aiden since that was the catalyst that started the training but nope, that training was used on the drunk hobo to help facilitate the "cracking of the ice" for Sophia/Dylan through their "Sex-Ed" theme. As I said, that was a terrible scene using a cliché overused and trying to break the "Sex-Ed" barrier with that theme, which again was really bad to start with "Sex-Ed," IMO. It's as bad a starting Sophia of as a "Nun" like character from the start.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

And that's not good, because Dylan's personality is constantly changing and it's sometimes a different person.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees this, and it's at a flip of a switch too.

 

[ancienregimele]

I agree with you about the story written with a soul for Sophia/Ellie, but Sophia/Dylan written for the fans? Which fans because I would like to meet them... I'm a fan, and I can tell you that most of the plot with Sophia/Dylan angers me as some make no sense whatsoever, even from the fictional point. Like most people, I try to guess the upcoming plot based on what I know, but I'm not 100% correct.

AWAM started, as all long-term players know, as an adult VN, with game style choices. It was something of a hybrid but none the worse for that, IMO, given the proliferation of juvenile "meetandfuck" fap material that had adult content, only in so far as the sheer amount of tedious, boring, meaningless sex they contained. These were the types of games where virtually every new character would have sex with the MC, quite soon after meeting up, where cocks looked like they'd been transplanted from purpose-bred horses & amazing anal sex didn't even require lubrication. They were obviously aimed squarely at young wankers & many were very successful. This is not an anti-youth point, because most of us were young wankers once.

AWAM was different, very different, with an interesting premise & a story. Indeed, it had several story-lines within one arc of progress. At that time, (ignoring everyone's varied tastes for the moment), the only real "fly in the ointment" was the designation of Sophia's initial persona as almost nun-like. This, to me, jarred with the realism that was been striven for & was often achieved.

Looking at AWAM now, I can't put my finger on exactly the PD, or moment, where it went wrong & I deliberately don't use the phrase, "ALL went wrong," because I think it's still possible to get it back on track. Every player will have their own ideas on this & for some, obviously, nothing is wrong at all. [I respect that but totally disagree]. What is the actual chance of a reboot of AWAM as an adult game for grown-ups? I look at Sophia in the romper at 38 years old, as it barely contains her cartoon-like proportions & I don't think the odds are favourable.

Might it be the case that the "adult" games world is solely for the young, based on demand, spending-power, free-time & the need to fap, plus the inevitable adoption of previously successful formulae by Devs having to make some money? I'm sure some younger folks want proper stories, or at least choice & variety. Is there a place for genuinely realistic erotic stories being told through the medium of good quality 3d renders? I certainly hope that there is.

 

[Deleted member 4063857]

I'm not angry. Just pointing out that for those that play the Dylan route, there was more than just Dylan groping Sophia in the park. There was also the Aiden event as well.

In terms of progress Ellie is way ahead of Dylan. So its fine to let Dylan have some fun too. But I think if we could trade the contents between Ellie and Dylan you will still be pissed about Dylan's progress.

 

[FavenXXX]

I hope someday there will be a sequel about Ellie and her boyfriend

 

[FavenXXX]

But now I'm very interested in what will be in the update. I am looking forward to the release of the update

 

[Alley_Cat]

In terms of progress Ellie is way ahead of Dylan. So its fine to let Dylan have some fun too. But I think if we could trade the contents between Ellie and Dylan you will still be pissed about Dylan's progress.

My point has nothing to do with the amount of progress Dylan has or hasn't made so far. My point was that a particular member of the thread was complaining that they only got a small amount of content in a particular update, when the amount of content they actually got was most, if not all of the update.

And far more than the member that had raised the issue of not being able to play the v.130 update at all.

 

[Sabertooth__]

AWAM started, as all long-term players know, as an adult VN, with game style choices. It was something of a hybrid but none the worse for that, IMO, given the proliferation of juvenile "meetandfuck" fap material that had adult content, only in so far as the sheer amount of tedious, boring, meaningless sex they contained. These were the types of games where virtually every new character would have sex with the MC, quite soon after meeting up, where cocks looked like they'd been transplanted from purpose-bred horses & amazing anal sex didn't even require lubrication. They were obviously aimed squarely at young wankers & many were very successful. This is not an anti-youth point, because most of us were young wankers once.

AWAM was different, very different, with an interesting premise & a story. Indeed, it had several story-lines within one arc of progress. At that time, (ignoring everyone's varied tastes for the moment), the only real "fly in the ointment" was the designation of Sophia's initial persona as almost nun-like. This, to me, jarred with the realism that was been striven for & was often achieved.

Looking at AWAM now, I can't put my finger on exactly the PD, or moment, where it went wrong & I deliberately don't use the phrase, "ALL went wrong," because I think it's still possible to get it back on track. Every player will have their own ideas on this & for some, obviously, nothing is wrong at all. [I respect that but totally disagree]. What is the actual chance of a reboot of AWAM as an adult game for grown-ups? I look at Sophia in the romper at 38 years old, as it barely contains her cartoon-like proportions & I don't think the odds are favourable.

Might it be the case that the "adult" games world is solely for the young, based on demand, spending-power, free-time & the need to fap, plus the inevitable adoption of previously successful formulae by Devs having to make some money? I'm sure some younger folks want proper stories, or at least choice & variety. Is there a place for genuinely realistic erotic stories being told through the medium of good quality 3d renders? I certainly hope that there is.

There definitely are young guys and girls who would be interested in a realistic erotic story. I am one of them I could say.
I myself have come up with a few stories in which I believe sexual acts are believable, where sexual acts are not included just for fan service but can make sense. But I have no skills with Daz, hope to learn it next year then maybe I can try making something nice.

As for AWAM, some things indeed are a stretch to reality. A solo man working on this giant story, making hundreds of scenes is bound to go wrong, or run out of believable ways to continue a scenario eventually. Sometimes he needs a rational person to help him and suggest ideas. But then again it should be someone who himself is aware of what is realistic and what is just a normalised act in porn games which isn't realistic at all.

 

[armion82]

Sophie:good boy!!!

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You realise that in the update after this one we probably will get more from both side jobs?
I can see him splitting day 13 like this.

0.165

Morning
1) Literature lesson (Aiden's 4th task) + a bonus scene
2) Don Morello (optional)
Noon
1) 2nd side job 3rd day

0.180

2) Dylan/Ellie OR: Dylan comes home from the boarding school for the weekend.
What will happen here depends on if the "pool chicken fight" on day 10 took place or not!
3) "Coach Sophia"
Afternoon
1) Sophia/Sam
2) Sophia/Claire/Marie (with Dylan)

0.200

Evening
1) Sophia/Dylan
2) Sophia/Dylan OR: Dylan/Ellie OR: Dylan/Emma

 

[VladTepesph]

Do you guys think that there will come a time that Dylan will sink his junior to the ultimate hole?

 

[ancienregimele]

There definitely are young guys and girls who would be interested in a realistic erotic story. I am one of them I could say.
I myself have come up with a few stories in which I believe sexual acts are believable, where sexual acts are not included just for fan service but can make sense. But I have no skills with Daz, hope to learn it next year then maybe I can try making something nice.

As for AWAM, some things indeed are a stretch to reality. A solo man working on this giant story, making hundreds of scenes is bound to go wrong, or run out of believable ways to continue a scenario eventually. Sometimes he needs a rational person to help him and suggest ideas. But then again it should be someone who himself is aware of what is realistic and what is just a normalised act in porn games which isn't realistic at all.

I believe that one good way to start rebooting AWAM would be the wrapping up of the two side-jobs. It would be worthwhile spending an update on this, if it meant that future updates came faster. Where the old men are concerned there are two possible rapid endings. Firstly, they could just get better & go home. If a less boring finale was preferred, Sophia could pose in the naughty nurse costume to 'boost their morale', only to be caught by her boss & asked to either resign or be sacked.

Where the home tutoring is concerned, the boys mother could walk in on Sophia's unorthodox, (to say the least), teaching methods & ask her to resign, or the boys could inadvertently tell Ava, with the same result.

Both the jobs could be brought to a rapid but logical conclusion. Alternatively, or alongside such events, Sophia could be required to work more hours at the school, which would be smooth & realistic. Again, she could be needed for the full-time role, in which case there would be no drama with the jobs, she'd just explain why she had to leave & she could still have worn the nurse outfit!

 

[Alley_Cat]

I believe that one good way to start rebooting AWAM would be the wrapping up of the two side-jobs. It would be worthwhile spending an update on this, if it meant that future updates came faster. Where the old men are concerned there are two possible rapid endings. Firstly, they could just get better & go home. If a less boring finale was preferred, Sophia could pose in the naughty nurse costume to 'boost their morale', only to be caught by her boss & asked to either resign or be sacked.

Where the home tutoring is concerned, the boys mother could walk in on Sophia's unorthodox, (to say the least), teaching methods & ask her to resign, or the boys could inadvertently tell Ava, with the same result.

Both the jobs could be brought to a rapid but logical conclusion. Alternatively, or alongside such events, Sophia could be required to work more hours at the school, which would be smooth & realistic. Again, she could be needed for the full-time role, in which case there would be no drama with the jobs, she'd just explain why she had to leave & she could still have worn the nurse outfit!

Or a simple placeholder like L&P did for Coach Sophia. Then the side jobs wouldn't even need winding up. A back screen with "Sophia went to work on her side job". And then once the main routes are finished, L&P can fill in the blanks.

Since the second side job is meant to have the "freaking hot" event, I don't see L&P winding it up anytime soon

 

[Alex kryle]

You realise that in the update after this one we probably will get more from both side jobs?
I can see him splitting day 13 like this.

0.165

Morning
1) Literature lesson (Aiden's 4th task) + a bonus scene
2) Don Morello (optional)
Noon
1) 2nd side job 3rd day

0.180

2) Dylan/Ellie OR: Dylan comes home from the boarding school for the weekend.
What will happen here depends on if the "pool chicken fight" on day 10 took place or not!
3) "Coach Sophia"
Afternoon
1) Sophia/Sam
2) Sophia/Claire/Marie (with Dylan)

0.200

Evening
1) Sophia/Dylan
2) Sophia/Dylan OR: Dylan/Ellie OR: Dylan/Emma

I think that sophia is gonna wear vibrator to her class inside her panty ....and aiden is gonna control it....in her 4th aiden task

 

[PaxHadrian17]

While I am a Dylan fan, I agree that L&P has been uneven in how he ramped up the relationship feelings between Sophia and Dylan.

For example - Sophia got jealous of Amber's attention to Dylan at the end of the chicken fight, which is a bit ironic since you can only have that fight if the Dylan/Sophia path ends.

On the Dylan/Sophia path, there was no equivalent jealousy shown or real recognition that Dylan was anything more than the baby of the family until Hobo defense in the last rev.

L&P makes a point that Liam teases and puts Dylan down for playing soccer - a game he is very good at, while Sophia recognizes that this is important to Dylan and something he excels in.

She has multiple scenes supporting Dylan as an excellent athlete where there is No evolution of thought about Dylan and seeing him as becoming a man.

He sneaks a kiss and she gets mad - but no thoughts about the passion in the kiss or anything beyond - he needs a girlfriend.

He scores 3 goals in a game (hat trick - which is tough to do in a select league), and it is more of a 'meh' moment than an opportunity for L&P to give us Sophia's internal dialogue about how agile and athletic Dylan is and those were some 'hot' moves.

She could have even backed into that realization by thinking how hot it was for one of the opposing team's players to make a move and score a goal, then recognize how much better Dylan was, how well he moved, closing with her internal dialogue where she chastises herself saying that she should not think of Dylan that way.

L&P gives us significant story evolution with Sophia's internal dialogue (think how far she has come with Ellie and the gradual evolution of their relationship) - but ignores the evolution of Dylan and Sophia by not using that same internal dialogue.

I enjoyed the hobo defense and it was nice for her to show that she was starting to see that he was a man who could and would defend her but it did not have to be a 'magical' switch that got thrown.

It would have been easy for this scene to represent a tipping point with all the 'bread crumbs' leading to this but it was not - it was just a magic switch that L&P flipped.

 

[hzjujk]

I'm in favor of leaving out the Aiden scenes. They cost a lot of development time and are just in the way of the lesbian routes. And the two part-time jobs, and the good wife route, and .... Actually, I am not interested in all the lesbian stuff either, in the interests of the quick completion of the game you can leave that out ....
It is also interested in the surveys by L&P used for your argumentation and you have already panned it as not meaningful.
As a "sensible" person, I would tell the story very differently and not succumb to the power of money.

 

[Alex kryle]

Can anyone tell when is the next teaser coming from....L&P ?

 

[Sabertooth__]

While I am a Dylan fan, I agree that L&P has been uneven in how he ramped up the relationship feelings between Sophia and Dylan.

For example - Sophia got jealous of Amber's attention to Dylan at the end of the chicken fight, which is a bit ironic since you can only have that fight if the Dylan/Sophia path ends.

On the Dylan/Sophia path, there was no equivalent jealousy shown or real recognition that Dylan was anything more than the baby of the family until Hobo defense in the last rev.

L&P makes a point that Liam teases and puts Dylan down for playing soccer - a game he is very good at, while Sophia recognizes that this is important to Dylan and something he excels in.

She has multiple scenes supporting Dylan as an excellent athlete where there is No evolution of thought about Dylan and seeing him as becoming a man.

He sneaks a kiss and she gets mad - but no thoughts about the passion in the kiss or anything beyond - he needs a girlfriend.

He scores 3 goals in a game (hat trick - which is tough to do in a select league), and it is more of a 'meh' moment than an opportunity for L&P to give us Sophia's internal dialogue about how agile and athletic Dylan is and those were some 'hot' moves.

She could have even backed into that realization by thinking how hot it was for one of the opposing team's players to make a move and score a goal, then recognize how much better Dylan was, how well he moved, closing with her internal dialogue where she chastises herself saying that she should not think of Dylan that way.

L&P gives us significant story evolution with Sophia's internal dialogue (think how far she has come with Ellie and the gradual evolution of their relationship) - but ignores the evolution of Dylan and Sophia by not using that same internal dialogue.

I enjoyed the hobo defense and it was nice for her to show that she was starting to see that he was a man who could and would defend her but it did not have to be a 'magical' switch that got thrown.

It would have been easy for this scene to represent a tipping point with all the 'bread crumbs' leading to this but it was not - it was just a magic switch that L&P flipped.

I feel pretty much everything wrong with what you said.

Sophia does not see Dylan as a man because he is her SON. No mother sees her son as man just because he is good at sports, or got 3 goals or sneaked in a kiss. That kiss didn't even last a second, what passion would be in it.

All of this happened at a very initial phase of the Dylan route, where Sophia only saw him as her son. It is After the bikini event Sophia started seeing that her son can also be mature and not just a whining boy.

People who believe Dylan's personality changed all of a sudden and it was unrealistic. How much do we know Dylan's character. Do people really believe they can decide for sure who is what based on a mere character introduction and few short scenes. We all thought Ellie to be the kind who is sexually active and has probably had sex with many guys seeing how she was all making out Infront of her mother with a guy she just met. Then comes the revelation that she is a virgin. So just assuming what Dylan is based on the initial days of the game and calling anything new about the character as poorly written or incorrect is not right.

When he stood up for her against the hobos it finally tipped the scale towards Dylan being recognised as a man by her.
It would be the case for any mother, the difference would be a normal mother won't think sexually about this but Sophia's thought are a bit leaning towards that.

There has been gradual progression and no out of nowhere huge event for Dylan. Slowly and steadily things have moved and I just don't understand why most people consider even the smallest if things as a sign of something huge.

They stop thinking like an actual human but more like the characters of the porn game, making a mountain out if molehill, with only how every word could mean that the dev is insinuating sex between two characters.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Can anyone tell when is the next teaser coming from....L&P ?

He doesn't give dates on when he's going to drop the next teaser. He just posts a new teaser when he feels like it.

 

[sphynks80]

There is no need to represent Dylan's psychological growth path in a linear and meticulous progression as if it were a diagram. If you think about it, most of the times we have drastically changed our opinion about someone we have done so all of a sudden. Until the day before he seemed like a big baby and the next day he becomes a mature and responsible man and, in the case of a woman who changes perception of a man, even sexy and desirable. Naturally the character in question will have gone through a very complicated and tormented phase of change but it is not certain that we grasp all the steps of this change. So Sophia may very well notice Dylan's change from one day to the next, and be surprised. Indeed, this surprise can be a formidable "dramaturgical" resource and trigger a whole series of narrative stunts that are very useful to the story.

 

[hzjujk]

I feel pretty much everything wrong with what you said.

Sophia does not see Dylan as a man because he is her SON. No mother sees her son as man just because he is good at sports, or got 3 goals or sneaked in a kiss. That kiss didn't even last a second, what passion would be in it.

All of this happened at a very initial phase of the Dylan route, where Sophia only saw him as her son. It is After the bikini event Sophia started seeing that her son can also be mature and not just a whining boy.

People who believe Dylan's personality changed all of a sudden and it was unrealistic. How much do we know Dylan's character. Do people really believe they can decide for sure who is what based on a mere character introduction and few short scenes. We all thought Ellie to be the kind who is sexually active and has probably had sex with many guys seeing how she was all making out Infront of her mother with a guy she just met. Then comes the revelation that she is a virgin. So just assuming what Dylan is based on the initial days of the game and calling anything new about the character as poorly written or incorrect is not right.

When he stood up for her against the hobos it finally tipped the scale towards Dylan being recognised as a man by her.
It would be the case for any mother, the difference would be a normal mother won't think sexually about this but Sophia's thought are a bit leaning towards that.

There has been gradual progression and no out of nowhere huge event for Dylan. Slowly and steadily things have moved and I just don't understand why most people consider even the smallest if things as a sign of something huge.

They stop thinking like an actual human but more like the characters of the porn game, making a mountain out if molehill, with only how every word could mean that the dev is insinuating sex between two characters.

Fighting with the hobo was typical of a child teenager. It was the continuation of the scene when Dylan was introduced to the Seal and he blurted out asking if he would learn to kill with the edge of his hand. Sophia should have recognized that! So it was no advance in Dylan's development. He only got one more tool to act out his play instinct. Dylan is still where he was at the beginning of the game, just with a different haircut.
If he avoids the fight or consciously loses although he is superior and yet achieved his goal, then he has made progress in his development.