VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Deleted member 3325933]

But, my friend, how can you be confident that a real master will accept the invitation and decide to provide assistance to L&P, while leaving the projects in which he is currently participating?
I personally doubt that 3D professionals are sitting around waiting for an invitation from L&P, not to mention that AWAM is not just a piece of art, it is a porn game with some rather dubious twists!
Definitely, not every 3D master would like to participate with such a project.

Not talking about other aspects of teamwork, I just want to end this discussion. I am perfectly aware that, unfortunately, I will not find understanding here.

I would be quite surprised that the MANY artists, that do just part time fan art through the many different threads here, inhabiting F95 would not have at least one interested in shifting gears and trying their hand. However, If he wants to poison the well, all he needs to do is be the same person I conversed with and they would run. Not out of fear but, desire to avoid a Scrooge (Timely reference).

I believe between his paranoia to maintain his assets and his arrogance at his "incredible" skill that I have little faith he will find a assistant for the art. Just a note Bane71 he ain't Michelangelo, Rembrandt, or that Van guy that had an ear issue. He is better than many others but, you and I have seen the work in the fan art thread and there are many artists there just as capable. Would they want to put up with him is the question.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I don't quite agree with you there. At most that Sam has once again pulled his alcohol trump card on her. And that's getting a bit trite and ridiculous if he keeps getting her around like that. For me, it's about the short time that Sam was able to go so far with Sophia. At the last date, still, a bit of dreaming and gushing, just barely showing the areola. Again with the influence of alcohol. And now, a few days later, she gets involved in such fireworks of sexual acts? Come on! Even with a little alcohol, she should still be able to think a little clearer. She must expect Liam or her children to suddenly appear. She can also be watched by Sam's parents. The jacuzzi is free-standing, with no privacy screen.
But clear. When you say ... Sophia was so intoxicated by his come-on because she's no longer in control of her senses from a glass of champagne... then, yes, you can't take her seriously anymore. With Aiden, unfortunately, alcohol was also involved in the 3rd task. I hope L&P finally lets go of the alcohol. Sophia should finally think clearly like with Dylan and make her reasonable decisions with all her Li.

You only picked one of the points I made regarding why Sam was able to do what he did. Alcohol. Ignoring factors like she has been on edge for so long, constantly been teased, her body must be longing for such pleasurable intimate touches. It is not a coincidence that she hardly is able to get any relief on any route. L&P is doing this intentionally so it plays a factor. Plus Sophia was able to stay to keep her control until she actually locked lips. A kiss is supposed to feel good, melt you down. And while in the moment she gave in. If you think that a kiss does not have any effect and one can easily just stop it then you have the choice of stopping it. Personally I believe it does have a strong effect.

You are using the same logic that I hate most. That one character did this much last time but was able to achieve this much the next time. The situation matters to me. There has been enough build-up on the Sam route and nothing short of a kiss was ever going to be accepted. The rest of the things that happen as I said weren't part of what Sophia wanted.

Alcohol was there in the Aiden event too. But there not a single dialogue emphasizes that what is happening is happening because of alcohol. In the Sam event there is clear Statement that Alcohol is playing a factor. They are two different things.

Liam or anyone couldn't just stand right infront of Sophia out of nowhere. No matter who enters the house. He or she will have to turn on the lights first, which is an immediate indicator which was also used. Neil and Amber weren't home either I believe. And even if they make an appearance how many parents to you know who peep of over high walls of their neighborhood to look for their son without even calling out his name first to check if he is nearby.

I too would wish alcohol is reduced as a factor and only comes into play for scenes where it actually makes sense. Not for plot convenience.

 

[Bane71]

I would be quite surprised that the MANY artists, that do just part time fan art through the many different threads here, inhabiting F95 would not have at least one interested in shifting gears and trying their hand. However, If he wants to poison the well, all he needs to do is be the same person I conversed with and they would run. Not out of fear but, desire to avoid a Scrooge (Timely reference).

I believe between his paranoia to maintain his assets and his arrogance at his "incredible" skill that I have little faith he will find a assistant for the art. Just a note Bane71 he ain't Michelangelo, Rembrandt, or that Van guy that had an ear issue. He is better than many others but, you and I have seen the work in the fan art thread and there are many artists there just as capable. Would they want to put up with him is the question.

Exactly, my friend, the question!
And, unfortunately, there are a lot of questions!
My thought is that creating a team and teamwork is not something I object to, I have no objections, it is something that is very difficult to do. This requires the diversion of considerable effort and time of L&P from its main occupation.

AWAM has gained considerable popularity and I really hope in this regard that some worthy 3D master will turn to L&P with an offer of cooperation. But I think that despite the fact that I really like the work of some fans in the fan art branch, few of these guys can really help L&P.

 

[CSK92]

See if L&P had started with a smaller more focussed storyline, and completed it, then he would be in a perfect position to follow on prequel or sequel stories set in San Alejo focussing on some of the other characters. Then there would be no need to have "DLC" - it would just be a follow on branching story after main story completed.

So, we agree? LOL

 

[Talcum Powder]

2 months x 10 evens = 20 months. How is this better? Disjointed, updates that leave many fans out in the cold, and no faster than before. Yeah the fail is moving to EPIC. I am more and more aligning with GingerSweetGirl s concerns of 'it could have been'.

I didn't say it's better than the last two updates, I just think it's weird math when folks are saying seven weeks = two months.

With regards to GingerSweetGirl's comments, I am in total agreement. AWAM could have been really amazing but it's quickly (ironic?) spinning out of control. So many different variants, characters are more and more incongruent as the stories move forward in different directions and at different rates.

 

[CSK92]

next day
next week
next month
next year
next decade

This game will need a century to ever be finished. We're soon moving to 2 years per playable day. All is normal. He's a perfectionist genius so this is normal.

As normal as a superbowl saturday

Nah. This will never be finished and Bane will still be running over here and defending him.

 

[Kronos405]

Question, can you go full lesbian only or not? still gonna play it just wanna know if that is a path or not.

 

[raavan1]

Can anybody make aiden and sophia sexy fantasy on bike ride please

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Question, can you go full lesbian only or not? still gonna play it just wanna know if that is a path or not.

Yes it is.

 

[Kronos405]

Yes it is.

Yes you can There is the lesbian walkthrough on the first page. You can try that

Many thanks Friends

 

[sergey matveev]

Considering the frequency with which the author uses the alcohol factor, Sofia will become an alcoholic whore by the end of the game.

 

[strenif]

Considering the frequency with which the author uses the alcohol factor, Sofia will become an alcoholic whore by the end of the game.

It's a common plot device. Most corruption games use some kind of drug or gas or magic power to raise the libido of their characters to make a girls transformation from prude to slut more believable. Booze in AWAM is filling that same function here.

I'm still worried the dev doesn't know how to make a good sex scene. So far all that's in the game is teasing and foreshadowing. These are very important for building up a scene but to much can leave the pay off feeling like it didn't live up to the hype.

 

[Deleted member 3325933]

Considering the frequency with which the author uses the alcohol factor, Sofia will become an alcoholic whore by the end of the game.

Or... she will see an opportunity and on the ranch day, with Patricia, will actually scope out some vineyards and start her own brand. The 'Sealed with a Kiss' chardonnay that storms the market.

She pays off Liam's debt and then maintains her new home in the country where she has a cottage for Alyssa and Killjoys while she and I go pick grapes. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!

 

[Hlextor]

You only picked one of the points I made regarding why Sam was able to do what he did. Alcohol. Ignoring factors like she has been on edge for so long, constantly been teased, her body must be longing for such pleasurable intimate touches. It is not a coincidence that she hardly is able to get any relief on any route. L&P is doing this intentionally so it plays a factor. Plus Sophia was able to stay to keep her control until she actually locked lips. A kiss is supposed to feel good, melt you down. And while in the moment she gave in. If you think that a kiss does not have any effect and one can easily just stop it then you have the choice of stopping it. Personally I believe it does have a strong effect.

You are using the same logic that I hate most. That one character did this much last time but was able to achieve this much the next time. The situation matters to me. There has been enough build-up on the Sam route and nothing short of a kiss was ever going to be accepted. The rest of the things that happen as I said weren't part of what Sophia wanted.

Alcohol was there in the Aiden event too. But there not a single dialogue emphasizes that what is happening is happening because of alcohol. In the Sam event there is clear Statement that Alcohol is playing a factor. They are two different things.

Liam or anyone couldn't just stand right infront of Sophia out of nowhere. No matter who enters the house. He or she will have to turn on the lights first, which is an immediate indicator which was also used. Neil and Amber weren't home either I believe. And even if they make an appearance how many parents to you know who peep of over high walls of their neighborhood to look for their son without even calling out his name first to check if he is nearby.

I too would wish alcohol is reduced as a factor and only comes into play for scenes where it actually makes sense. Not for plot convenience.

No, that's not my way of thinking that one character gets further than the other. It's not about an envy debate for me here. That a French kiss has a strong effect on the senses is already clear to me. But we are not talking about a 17 year old girl who jumps into the yacuzzi with her same-aged neighbor to make out.

We are talking about Sophia, a mid-thirties, still happily married woman and mother. Yes, she's a "little" underfucked right now. But that's no reason, in my opinion, that L&P should allow more than a French kiss. The options here moving forward don't fit Sophia and Sam's current relationship (yet) in my opinion. What do you mean enough has been built up with Sam? Do you mean the last pool event by that? That was a good build up for you for the yacuzzi event? Really? For me, I think the proportionality doesn't fit here.

What follows now in the next event? It will continue where it left off here, right? So he will probably finger her and take off her blouse to suck directly on her nipples. Maybe a HJ will follow already? I can imagine it after the last event. Because he can't take a step back with Sam now anymore. It's moving pretty rapidly to sex now. Or what do you think?

I just imagine myself as a happily married husband and father hopping into the yacuzzi with my 17 year old neighbor.... also as always underfucked ... just the thought of it being at my house would prevent me from allowing anything here. The risk that I'm caught with the girl would be too big for me. Because if the blood runs into my cock, I can no longer think clearly and do not get that somewhere in the house a light turns on ...

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

For example, here many argue that the L&P needs to accept outside help.

Am I wrong or was L&P himself saying he needs it?

 

[Bane71]

Am I wrong or was L&P himself saying he needs it?

No, you are not mistaken, he said.
Moreover, I know that he has been making attempts to cooperate with different people for a long time.
But that doesn't change the fact that it's not easy, which is what I talk about all the time.
It is not impossible, but it is difficult, especially given the attitude of L&P towards their project. But I do not consider myself entitled to reproach him, since everyone is free to manage his project at his own discretion.

 

[I_Love_Moms]

I have a question, and I could be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

The purpose of switching from 1/3 day updates to per-event updates was to provide faster updates. But If I'm not wrong, the 1/3 day updates consisted of three events, and the updates took about 5 months. Considering that we'll now be getting an update not before 2 months, which makes 6+ months for 3 events, hasn't the development cycle slowed down instead of accelerating?

 

[Bane71]

I have a question, and I could be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

The purpose of switching from 1/3 day updates to per-event updates was to provide faster updates. But If I'm not wrong, the 1/3 day updates consisted of three events, and the updates took about 5 months. Considering that we'll now be getting an update not before 2 months, which makes 6+ months for 3 events, hasn't the development cycle slowed down instead of accelerating?

The goal was to reduce the waiting time for updates.
Of course, this does not negate the aspirations to speed up development! But at the moment it is in complete collapse. This is not a catastrophe yet, but there is little good. The current pace cannot provide an acceptable timeline for the development of the entire game. Therefore, many, not without reason, fear that the game will not be completed, it will simply be abandoned.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I have a question, and I could be completely wrong, so correct me if I am.

The purpose of switching from 1/3 day updates to per-event updates was to provide faster updates. But If I'm not wrong, the 1/3 day updates consisted of three events, and the updates took about 5 months. Considering that we'll now be getting an update not before 2 months, which makes 6+ months for 3 events, hasn't the development cycle slowed down instead of accelerating?

obvious
the purpose of producing updates for each event is not to speed up its development; rather to please its supporters with small but more frequent updates.
the only way to speed up the process is to change the way of working and obtain external collaborations, which will not happen

 

[Sabertooth__]

No, that's not my way of thinking that one character gets further than the other. It's not about an envy debate for me here. That a French kiss has a strong effect on the senses is already clear to me. But we are not talking about a 17 year old girl who jumps into the yacuzzi with her same-aged neighbor to make out.

We are talking about Sophia, a mid-thirties, still happily married woman and mother. Yes, she's a "little" underfucked right now. But that's no reason, in my opinion, that L&P should allow more than a French kiss. The options here moving forward don't fit Sophia and Sam's current relationship (yet) in my opinion. What do you mean enough has been built up with Sam? Do you mean the last pool event by that? That was a good build up for you for the yacuzzi event? Really? For me, I think the proportionality doesn't fit here.

What follows now in the next event? It will continue where it left off here, right? So he will probably finger her and take off her blouse to suck directly on her nipples. Maybe a HJ will follow already? I can imagine it after the last event. Because he can't take a step back with Sam now anymore. It's moving pretty rapidly to sex now. Or what do you think?

I just imagine myself as a happily married husband and father hopping into the yacuzzi with my 17 year old neighbor.... also as always underfucked ... just the thought of it being at my house would prevent me from allowing anything here. The risk that I'm caught with the girl would be too big for me. Because if the blood runs into my cock, I can no longer think clearly and do not get that somewhere in the house a light turns on ...

Because if the blood runs into my cock, I can no longer think clearly and do not get that somewhere in the house a light turns on ...

Right here you just admitted to what I am saying. You doubt you would be able to control yourself but the married woman who is weak with alcohol still could muster enough willpower to stop it.

The lack of touch which is becoming a bigger factor with each passing day is something you say doesn't matter.

Sophia accepted Sam as a lover at the pool event, maybe not in the real world but in an ideal world where she could. Throughout the storyline there are enough instances where it is mentioned how she is attracted to Sam. Even after so many events with Sam really what had happened before the hot tub event. He got to see an areola, that's all. A lot of the progress when was internal. What we saw was an outburst. Also you agree that a French kiss was the max he should have gotten, apparently that is the max he actually got except for placing his hand on her breast while kissing. After that what happened wasn't allowed by Sophia, and Sophia was upset about it.

There has never been a statement ever that says there can't be a step back. Especially after the dialogue that Sophia really regrets it and wants to put a stop to it. There has not been a single storyline where every event goes beyond what has happened previously everytime.

Without risk there is going to be no progress. Sophia wasn't planning on doing this with Sam, so she would first take safety measures. It happened in the moment. Also I don't understand why this outrage against it.

I didn't see you complain when Nathalie went so far ahead in just one event compared to her previous 3 events ( which is far less than Sam, hardly any actual interaction ). Still it made sense with the way the scenario plays out and how it was Nathalie's intention. Also I never heard people complain when Julia appeared for ONE event with Sophia and in it did far more than Ellie had done and reached the furthest. Even now she is furthest as she actually got in a proper french kiss, had sensory play with Sophia. Played around with her boobs, got Sophia to touch her all over, everything infront of her daughter and all that in 1 event.

One needs to think. That if women in the game are ahead of men and Julia is ahead in the females. Then she is ahead of everyone in the game in just ONE EVENT. This is a case only because Sophia gave into her lust, was extremely turned on, the touches felt good, the kiss melted her completely and did not operate with the logic and sat an thought how much did I let Ellie do to me, what has Patricia, Alyssa etc done to me and based on that I will see how far I allow Julia. Things don't happen that way. If the moment supports, one can even go all the way and still make sense of it.

I know you are not a fan of Sam and neither am I. He is one of my least favourite in the game. You have followed the thread for long and you must know exactly what I feel about Sam's character but here people are unfair and unnecessarily creating an issue where it is not.

Anyways even after all of what I said and the question that I raised about Julia, if you still feel that the storyline makes no sense then you are free to have your opinion. Frankly I don't wanna fight anyone and just want to avoid it and so would like to put an end to this before things get hostile.