VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[xxxorro]

Yes, I don't understand it either. We have two tasks 3 scenarios. One with and one without the knowledge or participation of Aiden. I always thought we need two saves for the 4th task. But he denied it.
We start the 4th task with both scenarios. I assumed that with Aiden involved, Sophia would finish the tasks. Because she is disgusted, etc.
And without Aiden, that she will continue because she didn't think it was horrible and it was an exciting experience for her. And she thinks the other tasks will be exciting for her too. But that doesn't seem to be true either.
With Aiden, she became even more corrupt. So I don't think L&P is going to make a difference whether we end the task in one scenario or move on.

This is actually one of the interesting things of the next update (at least for me). There are actually 3 outcomes for the 3rd task, the two you mentioned and the one in which she refuses to pose as Aphrodite, and for that we don't have particular reactions from Sophia's inner thoughts.

And you are right, it seems that the more Sophia gets corrupted in the tasks the more she resents Aiden. Combining the outcomes of Larry's visit, would it be possible that the Morello's way out is given only if (i) she got the max filthy points during the 3rd task AND (ii) she got to the point with Larry that Don Morello feels that he owns Sophia (i.e. she showed at least her breasts to Larry)? Like the 4th task will be the classic last straw and being so resentful she has, if available, the Morello card to play?

But even so then the issue will be only postponed to the next tasks: first of all for those that don't choose to play the Morello's card then I expect some rationalisation (ok, she might be afraid to be entangled with the mafia) and then in the next tasks how the different level of anger towards Aiden will be taken into account? Just incidental different dialogues or even a sort of quick merge into a single path (lazy solution)? I don't think there will be different sub-paths inside the Aiden path (let me rephrase, I don't want different sub-paths! )

Another possibility is that you don't have a choice to ask Morello's help if the two conditions are met, it will automatically end the tasks. People won't be happy about that, I guess, it would be a sort of game over for having gone too far too quickly. (I'm just trying to turn all the stones here, not saying or wishing it will be like this)

In any case it will be interesting to see how everything will play out in terms of this possibilities, always hoping that it won't make the game too complex, for the player and the dev (my personal taste).

Finally, I don't know if it is a kind of pattern, but in this PD we already have 3 events that has 3 different outcomes that potentially influence future events:

1. Larry's, has multiple outcomes according to the points you get (max 10) but they are grouped into 3 major outcomes when it comes to Don Morello's offer to Sophia
   
   Spoiler: here they are from an old post of mine

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2. Aiden's 3rd task, as discussed
3. Sam's event, when it comes to hide him (inside or behind the bathtub) or make him run for the wall. This is not the topic of discussion atm but, again, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next event based on those choices.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Let me see if I understand. A patron pays using a payment processor, but payment is made to the Patreon account. So, Patreon doesn't want his name attached to ... stuff. This is a preventative measure because if payment processors had asked for this, SubscriberStar would have been blocked long ago

How do you avoid suspicions? By avoiding links and the name used on their platform, first step. And second, sensitive content should not appear on any platform.

As for Patreon, you're right, but I think they'll turn a blind eye if it's not too shrill.

I don't think SS uses paypal, which is the "worst" in these kind of things.

Suspicions, maybe. But I doubt PS was flagged because of a suspicion, pretty sure someone got revenge and reported it because he cut off pirates. It's quite easy to bring all of these creators (adult ones with topics that arent too family-friendly) off of patreon, obviously no need to get into detail here so no one gets bad ideas and then no more AWAM. Once Patreon knows, its in their records and they cant turn a blind eye. That's another problem. IF L&P is reading this, diverge your subs to SS asap because I doubt Patreon will end their crusade on PS and the other creator I don't remember the name..

 

[nexer]

I wish it was like that but that's not the case anymore. Crypto payment processors -good ones (meaning the ones these platforms choose to associate with) - comply with AML5, these platforms will have the same issues with them.
Someone needs to do a whole platform + crypto payment processor in some remote island where "no one" can touch in order not to have any issues else these platforms will do the same everytime.

Open
Advertise like mad
"We're cool with your material dont worry"
Fast forward a few years when they're big and full of cash
"Oh we're not cool with that any more"
Ban "ilegal" content creators
Stay with the legit ones

Wait a minute. I choose to pay from my wallet to the Patreon wallet an amount in crypto. I use a payment processor. How does this Crypto payment processors know that the destination account is Patreon's?

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Wait a minute. I choose to pay from my wallet to the Patreon wallet an amount in crypto. I use a payment processor. How does this Crypto payment processors know that the destination account is Patreon's?

As a company/merchant you're obliged to KYC under AML. All your wallets are identified (and usually the wallet address is provided by the processor, not the merchant). Those companies then need to settle the crypto for fiat etc etc. All of that works like in regular finance. The money can't just come "out of nowhere".

On the other hand, as a customer, you'll only need to KYC on certain merchants if you pass a certain $fiat threshold so that wouldnt be an issue for you specificaly but Patreon would still have the same issues.

 

[nexer]

As a company/merchant you're obliged to KYC under AML. All your wallets are identified (and usually the wallet address is provided by the processor, not the merchant). Those companies then need to settle the crypto for fiat etc etc. All of that works like in regular finance. The money can't just come "out of nowhere".

On the other hand, as a customer, you'll only need to KYC on certain merchants if you pass a certain $fiat threshold so that wouldnt be an issue for you specificaly but Patreon would still have the same issues.

I didn't know about the company/merchant. In this case, can I ask why crypto?

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I didn't know about the company/merchant. In this case, can I ask why crypto?

The money you have in the bank is "yours". You can get your account closed, seized etc.
With crypto, if you're the only one with the seed, that can't happen. (Which isn't the case of these merchants, unless they withdraw the crypto to one of their wallets)
Regarding Patreon, the only way it would work was if they never intended to sell that crypto for fiat. That way they could do whatever they want and they could just make their payment processor that abides by 0 rules.

On a side note, regarding AML, anyone using crypto for ilicit stuff is an idiot, its as easy to track as in trad finance. Cash is still king for shitty practices, which just makes it hilarious when sub 80 iq politicians talk about crypto and money laundering.

 

[Bane71]

Wait a minute. I choose to pay from my wallet to the Patreon wallet an amount in crypto. I use a payment processor. How does this Crypto payment processors know that the destination account is Patreon's?

If a game developer uses his personal bitcoin wallet to receive support from patrons in cryptocurrency, while not using any third-party platforms, then I do not see any difficulties and problems for this.
Patrons who are holders of cryptocurrencies can transfer funds to the developer's personal wallet. This operation is similar to how you give someone cash from hand to hand, bypassing the bank.
Those who do not have cryptocurrencies can support the developer without any problems, for this you just need to make a purchase of cryptocurrencies in an online exchanger and specify the developer's wallet to receive cryptocurrencies when buying.

That is, the use of cryptocurrency allows you to remove the intermediary between the developer and the patrons. To do this, the developer only needs to create his wallet and specify it somewhere publicly.

 

[nexer]

Thanks guys, ViperDonkey and Bane71, very interesting.

 

[yourmomma]

but money can be created out of nothing ... every bank does it with a small house loan, the financial crisis 2008, for example, would have been easy to solve, at least in theory,,, and in Europe or Speziel Germany is money on your account is no longer your money but the bank, (there is a law, the name or the pharagraph I would have to search first) ,,,,, (amateurs rob a bank, the real criminals found a bank greetings

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Tell me you don't understand currency without telling me you don't understand currency,

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

If a game developer uses his personal bitcoin wallet to receive support from patrons in cryptocurrency, while not using any third-party platforms, then I do not see any difficulties and problems for this.
Patrons who are holders of cryptocurrencies can transfer funds to the developer's personal wallet. This operation is similar to how you give someone cash from hand to hand, bypassing the bank.
Those who do not have cryptocurrencies can support the developer without any problems, for this you just need to make a purchase of cryptocurrencies in an online exchanger and specify the developer's wallet to receive cryptocurrencies when buying.

That is, the use of cryptocurrency allows you to remove the intermediary between the developer and the patrons. To do this, the developer only needs to create his wallet and specify it somewhere publicly.

The difficulty is the loss of the perks that patron provides.
The second difficulty is having to prove source of funds to get that money in the bank (although he can just say he does graphic design but most exchanges are now asking for proof, website etc). It's not an easy situation to implement and get the same revenue because most people that use patreon do it because of paypal.

Everyone knows that crypto eliminates the middle-men, but at what cost, in terms of functionality? Again L&P should start getting the most of his 1800 patrons to SubscribeStar, because if they got PS, it's only a matter of time until they get him too and better be safe than sorry.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report Ver. 0.155.

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[lockerxx]

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is moving again!!! 50% 50% come on L&P you can do it!!!

 

[xyprincesgl]

If Aiden is the son of Morello?

 

[Talcum Powder]

is moving again!!! 50% 50% come on L&P you can do it!!!

Not by Saturday, my friend.

 

[Bobbos]

I've just remembered L&P wanting to look for help so I looked through the Recruitment & Services part of the forum and found these two guys Father Confessor and Bokosh.
One is a 3D Artist and looking at his sample renders he seems to be not bad at it.
The second one is a writer who also knows how to program in renpy which would be perfect.
He should easily be able to afford both of them but I'm a realist so I doubt he will actually ever get a team together to work with him.

 

[Overfoxed]

Some folks work more productively in a team, others get further my working alone. Different folks, different strokes.

 

[Bobbos]

Some folks work more productively in a team, others get further my working alone. Different folks, different strokes.

L&P gets nowhere by working alone.
The slow development speed has been the main issue for a long time and that won't improve without help.

 

[Overfoxed]

L&P gets nowhere by working alone.
The slow development speed has been the main issue for a long time and that won't improve without help.

I'm not saying you're wrong

 

[ancienregimele]

How is that supposed to work that Sophia "enjoys" tasks actively involved in the Aiden without breaking her will. Corruption alone? Nice idea, but also an immature fantasy.

When I speak of a dominant Sophia I mean something like this. Aiden forces Sophia to do a lap dance in a bar. Aiden puts himself in a position where he believes he is 100% the beneficiary. Sophia also begins with Aiden, does not allow himself to be touched by him, but then continues with a randomly chosen person and allows this person to be touched.
It's not about the whip-wielding dominatrix, it's just about Sophia having to feel like she has to outsmart her blackmailer in order to enjoy the event and to be curious about the next task.

These tasks only have an element of enjoyment & aren't something that she'd voluntarily undertake. People do all kinds of things they don't want to but most are just morale sapping day-to-day actions. [Having said that, even a trip to the Dentist's could contain a tiny element of pleasure in some of the old magazine articles in the waiting room, in the days when there used to be magazines but nobody went there to read old articles]. Breaking someone's will is not the same as making them do a range of tasks. First the person has to be broken, as in a brain-washing programme, then they are re-programmed with a different set of beliefs & values. Aiden's tasks may be undertaken involuntarily but IMO, it would take more than that to break someone's will, especially when Sophia can cling to the thought that it's all been done for her son & his friend. Aiden's tasks are about control. It would be of no advantage to have a mindless zombie, or a gibbering wreck. He needs a fully conscious, (as in fully conscious of what she's having to do), sentient being to get complete satisfaction.

Corruption is not an immature fantasy if you accept that Sophia always had a hidden reserve of sexuality, waiting to be released. I suggest that the story so far has shown this to be the case & that the question is not whether she'll be corrupted but as the subtitle of the game itself suggests, 'how far will she go?' Immature is only applicable to fantasies like time-stopping, mind control, super-hypnosis etc. These I don't ever play, because I'm so mature!

Sophia in a lap-dancing bar is a thought to conjure with but how would she know how to dance in that given way, without training? Given that something like this could occur, there are various potential scenarios arising from any attempt by Sophia to gain a measure of control. Aiden could see it as a challenge to which he could respond in the scene you describe by encouraging the random individual to go further &/or by seeking to involve other members of the audience. He might also react with resentment & produce a more difficult task next time, than what he'd originally planned, informing Sophia of this after she'd completed the onerous activity. He could take it as a positive sign, that Sophia was getting into the spirit of things, despite her refusal to let him touch her & act accordingly. There are more that I can think of but enough for now...

I'm certainly glad that you don't envisage Sophia wielding a whip. Again, the gaming world is chock-full of such characters & Sophia is much too nice.

 

[palmtrees89]

I've just remembered L&P wanting to look for help so I looked through the Recruitment & Services part of the forum and found these two guys Father Confessor and Bokosh.
One is a 3D Artist and looking at his sample renders he seems to be not bad at it.
The second one is a writer who also knows how to program in renpy which would be perfect.
He should easily be able to afford both of them but I'm a realist so I doubt he will actually ever get a team together to work with him.

I totally agree that L&P needs a helping hand, but I doubt that these two guys would make the cut. Weird enough that the 3D artist's post in the Recruitment&Services section is much better written and structured in comparison to the guy who's supposed to be an actual writer. If you offer your services as a writer and start it off with a (no offense) weak post including syntax and grammatical errors, then that's certainly not a good start, lol.

The 3D artist's work does look good, but is it good enough for L&P's standards? I can't say.