Mathew joe

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Let's try to unpack what happened in v0.161

In the end, as it was announced few days ago, there were 2 separate events and Sophia is not aware of what happened if she asked for help. Not to bother you with code stuff, but that was not how in the last release things were planned. Whether Sophia asked for help or not she was headed to meet Aiden. Whether it was a bug or a way to avoid spoiler, we don't know.

Morello visit

  • The first thing to note is the dialogues at the very beginning in which **it seems** that Aiden's long term plan is revealed. Maybe not literally but in the substance is a path of humiliation and submission. Whether he said that to impress the other gang member or not, but it is probably not far from what he is planning to do. And it is consistent with what he said Sophia in the corridor during the 4th task (Sophia being "owned" by the students).

    Python:
    ai "I'm telling you, my slutty teacher will come any moment and I'll make her show her tits for us!"
    Bald Latino" Ah, you talkin' bullshit, amigo! You should stop smokin' that weed shit. It's ain't good for you! *Ha-ha*"
    ai "I'm serious, man! I'm on her! You'll see!"
    ai "And in two weeks, she'll suck each of you and you can get the leg over her *grin*!"

  • He chose the violent way to resolve the problem with Aiden. When I saw the guy entering with the baseball bat I had that Negan moment with Lucille on his shoulder ;). Now it will be interesting what happens next, if Aiden will ever come back in the scene and / or there will be other developments. I would not expect him to come back to school for a while after a beat like that. I wonder though if there will be any retaliation attempt.

  • In the end Jennifer was not mentioned by Morello's boys and there is no use at all of that option in the code. Probably the beating will be enough to keep away Aiden for a long time even for Jennifer, even if not explicitly mentioned.


The meeting

  • Long story short, there was no task, it was just a set up to have some "fun" at Sophia expense and humiliate her in front of the gang.

  • The most interesting (and somehow strange) thing for me is where to place this event in the storyline.
    If you played all the possible paths of the meeting, you see that she always has the choice to flee at some point. And somehow one could expect that this will break the deal with Aiden, from fleeing right away to refusing any of his requests later on.
    Well, if you look at the code you will see that the choices for this event will only increase GW and FW points and set only 2 variables to distinguish the final choice of Sophia, breast (day20_Sophia_showed_her_breasts_to_Aidens_gang) or groping (day20_Sophia_let_herself_getting_groped_by_Aidens_gang). Nothing else. This means that
    • at least at the moment it seems that the deal is still on no matter what happens.

    • in any following event if he needs to check what happened (what choices have been made) in this event to e.g. determine the dialogues or some future choices he can only check whether the two variables are false to detect that Sophia didn't go through the last part. But e.g. he has no way to express the fact that she left as soon as she saw the gang members and hence nothing really happened.
  • Unless this is a bug (possible/probable), this means that the whole event is basically "meaningless" in term of the future events. It won't have an impact on the deal with Aiden and even in dialogues and choices nothing much can be related to what happens. He could still use the FW points to try to figure out the choices that have been made but it is hard because all FW points are in common with other paths. And he has abandoned this way of use them since the early PDs.

    If it is a bug and he forgot to set some variables on the way, it also means that if fixed the scene will need to be played again for the variables to be in your save game.

    If the event instead is just what we have, i.e. it does not count at all for the story, what was the purpose of the event. It feels almost like it was not a planned event until the last release and rather added along with the Morello's boy visit to make it a standalone (as in it would have taken more time to finish v0.160 with the fight scene so let's split it...). :unsure:

    Regardless, story-wise the purpose of the event seems only to increase the FW and the corruption of Sophia and show what Aiden is up to. But because of the above it does not seem to have a real impact on the story.

  • The other question that can be raised is why the Morello option is not anymore possible? Once it is decided not to take it because e.g. it is choosing between the lesser of the two evils, it is strange that the option is prevented later on. There is even a passage during the meeting
    Python:
    if day19_Sophia_contemplates_asking_Morello_for_help_with_Aiden:
        "She suddenly wished so badly that she should've gone to Don Morello. What was she thinking, coming here alone!"
    What prevent Sophia to use the option after the meeting? It's not that the offer had a time limit. It's strange that this issue is not yet addressed. From what we know there won't be any other chance to pick up the offer, but it feels not so logic IMO. Sure, it will mess up the development as it has to reproduce the scenes every time there is a chance to take the offer, but like the boarding school I don't see a logical reason for not being on the table. Unless there will be further developments ahead. :unsure:

Miscellanea

Some minor stuff:

  • As also pointed out by nexer, the dialogues during the school break has been fixed with Aiden asking for that particular kind of dress
    Python:
    ai "Sure. And put on some different sexy stuff for later! Something more sexy and less formal-lookin' than this one! Like a tube top with a matching mini skirt or something."
    ai "But keep the stockings on *grin*!"
  • On the other hand, no other changes were made while Sophia is dressing to have some more insight about her view about the dress

  • The error about the right/left breast of Sophia being groped by Zac during the 4th task has been fixed as well, now it correctly says right

  • There is a minor feature introduced in this release that allows to skip (>>) by 10 pages the list of saves, that would come useful to quickly move between saves of different playthrough. Good job Bibifoc, I guess? :)
    View attachment 1830553
Let's try to unpack what happened in v0.161

In the end, as it was announced few days ago, there were 2 separate events and Sophia is not aware of what happened if she asked for help. Not to bother you with code stuff, but that was not how in the last release things were planned. Whether Sophia asked for help or not she was headed to meet Aiden. Whether it was a bug or a way to avoid spoiler, we don't know.

Morello visit

  • The first thing to note is the dialogues at the very beginning in which **it seems** that Aiden's long term plan is revealed. Maybe not literally but in the substance is a path of humiliation and submission. Whether he said that to impress the other gang member or not, but it is probably not far from what he is planning to do. And it is consistent with what he said Sophia in the corridor during the 4th task (Sophia being "owned" by the students).

    Python:
    ai "I'm telling you, my slutty teacher will come any moment and I'll make her show her tits for us!"
    Bald Latino" Ah, you talkin' bullshit, amigo! You should stop smokin' that weed shit. It's ain't good for you! *Ha-ha*"
    ai "I'm serious, man! I'm on her! You'll see!"
    ai "And in two weeks, she'll suck each of you and you can get the leg over her *grin*!"

  • He chose the violent way to resolve the problem with Aiden. When I saw the guy entering with the baseball bat I had that Negan moment with Lucille on his shoulder ;). Now it will be interesting what happens next, if Aiden will ever come back in the scene and / or there will be other developments. I would not expect him to come back to school for a while after a beat like that. I wonder though if there will be any retaliation attempt.

  • In the end Jennifer was not mentioned by Morello's boys and there is no use at all of that option in the code. Probably the beating will be enough to keep away Aiden for a long time even for Jennifer, even if not explicitly mentioned.


The meeting

  • Long story short, there was no task, it was just a set up to have some "fun" at Sophia expense and humiliate her in front of the gang.

  • The most interesting (and somehow strange) thing for me is where to place this event in the storyline.
    If you played all the possible paths of the meeting, you see that she always has the choice to flee at some point. And somehow one could expect that this will break the deal with Aiden, from fleeing right away to refusing any of his requests later on.
    Well, if you look at the code you will see that the choices for this event will only increase GW and FW points and set only 2 variables to distinguish the final choice of Sophia, breast (day20_Sophia_showed_her_breasts_to_Aidens_gang) or groping (day20_Sophia_let_herself_getting_groped_by_Aidens_gang). Nothing else. This means that
    • at least at the moment it seems that the deal is still on no matter what happens.

    • in any following event if he needs to check what happened (what choices have been made) in this event to e.g. determine the dialogues or some future choices he can only check whether the two variables are false to detect that Sophia didn't go through the last part. But e.g. he has no way to express the fact that she left as soon as she saw the gang members and hence nothing really happened.
  • Unless this is a bug (possible/probable), this means that the whole event is basically "meaningless" in term of the future events. It won't have an impact on the deal with Aiden and even in dialogues and choices nothing much can be related to what happens. He could still use the FW points to try to figure out the choices that have been made but it is hard because all FW points are in common with other paths. And he has abandoned this way of use them since the early PDs.

    If it is a bug and he forgot to set some variables on the way, it also means that if fixed the scene will need to be played again for the variables to be in your save game.

    If the event instead is just what we have, i.e. it does not count at all for the story, what was the purpose of the event. It feels almost like it was not a planned event until the last release and rather added along with the Morello's boy visit to make it a standalone (as in it would have taken more time to finish v0.160 with the fight scene so let's split it...). :unsure:

    Regardless, story-wise the purpose of the event seems only to increase the FW and the corruption of Sophia and show what Aiden is up to. But because of the above it does not seem to have a real impact on the story.

  • The other question that can be raised is why the Morello option is not anymore possible? Once it is decided not to take it because e.g. it is choosing between the lesser of the two evils, it is strange that the option is prevented later on. There is even a passage during the meeting
    Python:
    if day19_Sophia_contemplates_asking_Morello_for_help_with_Aiden:
        "She suddenly wished so badly that she should've gone to Don Morello. What was she thinking, coming here alone!"
    What prevent Sophia to use the option after the meeting? It's not that the offer had a time limit. It's strange that this issue is not yet addressed. From what we know there won't be any other chance to pick up the offer, but it feels not so logic IMO. Sure, it will mess up the development as it has to reproduce the scenes every time there is a chance to take the offer, but like the boarding school I don't see a logical reason for not being on the table. Unless there will be further developments ahead. :unsure:

Miscellanea

Some minor stuff:

  • As also pointed out by nexer, the dialogues during the school break has been fixed with Aiden asking for that particular kind of dress
    Python:
    ai "Sure. And put on some different sexy stuff for later! Something more sexy and less formal-lookin' than this one! Like a tube top with a matching mini skirt or something."
    ai "But keep the stockings on *grin*!"
  • On the other hand, no other changes were made while Sophia is dressing to have some more insight about her view about the dress

  • The error about the right/left breast of Sophia being groped by Zac during the 4th task has been fixed as well, now it correctly says right

  • There is a minor feature introduced in this release that allows to skip (>>) by 10 pages the list of saves, that would come useful to quickly move between saves of different playthrough. Good job Bibifoc, I guess? :)
    View attachment 1830553
I played the aiden Blackmail route. But i also want to try the morello-aiden route. So can anyine be kind enough to dhare a save file of morello aiden route?
 

neronxx

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Dont know how you can say that with the last two updates.
Last month's update was delayed due to animation, which was delayed because it was the first time
But the update was released three days ago after 40 days, and do not expect a developer to be able to provide you with a lot of content of this quality.
Only install daz Studio once to understand how time consuming it is to design scenes
I think the developer works around the clock to design the scenes




Even the rendering process sometimes takes tens of minutes to output each scene
 

Bullx

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Last month's update was delayed due to animation, which was delayed because it was the first time
But the update was released three days ago after 40 days, and do not expect a developer to be able to provide you with a lot of content of this quality.
Only install daz Studio once to understand how time consuming it is to design scenes
I think the developer works around the clock to design the scenes




Even the rendering process sometimes takes tens of minutes to output each scene
no he doesn't develop around the clock. so he wouldn't have time to spend the money he earns. look at the time after each realesea. a few days go by before it continues. the guy takes 1 to 2 weeks vacation every month
 

gnole13

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Nearly a prude housewife moved to a city and in a couple of weeks, she became a toy in the hand of a gang and mafia?

I had been assuming that this game would be a slow-burning corruption game. And I liked the teasing and the storyline in the beginning. Playing a female was a plus too.
I didn't like Aiden and the blackmailing idea in the beginning, however, I started to like these child-ish/teenage-ish but sexy/seductive blackmail, like forcing to do exhibitions in the class and especially forcing to be a nearly nude model in the art class. They were good ideas and I think they were helping Sophia to open more, and corrupt more. Even though she was mad at Aiden, she was enjoying from them time to time.

Now we have "gangs", we have "mafia".

Aiden turned from a school bully with a small bully crew into a gang member.

Teenage-ish blackmail to the teacher turned from exhibitions in the classroom and sexy art classes model into serving her to the gang members with humiliation, and even maybe submission ( which I never ever thought that she had in her. Following and doing orders doesn't mean submission, it can be done to protect someone.)

Lots of more thoughts but what's the point to write.

A good started story turned into something I might not be able to continue to like.

What a mess...
 

Stephanie98

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Nearly a prude housewife moved to a city and in a couple of weeks, she became a toy in the hand of a gang and mafia?

I had been assuming that this game would be a slow-burning corruption game. And I liked the teasing and the storyline in the beginning. Playing a female was a plus too.
I didn't like Aiden and the blackmailing idea in the beginning, however, I started to like these child-ish/teenage-ish but sexy/seductive blackmail, like forcing to do exhibitions in the class and especially forcing to be a nearly nude model in the art class. They were good ideas and I think they were helping Sophia to open more, and corrupt more. Even though she was mad at Aiden, she was enjoying from them time to time.

Now we have "gangs", we have "mafia".

Aiden turned from a school bully with a small bully crew into a gang member.

Teenage-ish blackmail to the teacher turned from exhibitions in the classroom and sexy art classes model into serving her to the gang members with humiliation, and even maybe submission ( which I never ever thought that she had in her. Following and doing orders doesn't mean submission, it can be done to protect someone.)

Lots of more thoughts but what's the point to write.

A good started story turned into something I might not be able to continue to like.

What a mess...
you see most fem-protagonist game is about blackmail, corruption turned from good to a slut

she still prude after 5 years of teasing & blueballing
 

dr.akhibadge

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Enough is enough .now this game is going far from stupidity. We need our hero(useless) Dylan to save this game by giving chop chop to aiden
 

gnole13

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you see most fem-protagonist game is about blackmail, corruption turned from good to a slut
Yes, I know that and I like the corruption process from good to slut. But corruption process is important. Check Katie's Corruption (simple and fast corruption story but good) or TAC (quick and hard corruption, still okayish), and even Angelica's Temptation (re-corruption).
I wrote somewhere in the f95 form, I had a similar swing/sharing relationship with my ex like TAC (not that hard though). And, I can't say that I corrupted her or I cannot take all the credit for her sluttines, but it was a working process. Together, we build it, we learned what we like while talking, doing, and reacting. I was like playing a corruption game and she became my beloved slut and we were amazingly happy. It was simple and it was better than most games :)

good to slut is good.
how?
that's the problem.
it should be with a good story.
 
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Last month's update was delayed due to animation, which was delayed because it was the first time
But the update was released three days ago after 40 days, and do not expect a developer to be able to provide you with a lot of content of this quality.
Only install daz Studio once to understand how time consuming it is to design scenes
I think the developer works around the clock to design the scenes




Even the rendering process sometimes takes tens of minutes to output each scene
The dev hired someone to help them and there were still many delays.

I do not fine the animations a worthwhile reason to patreon again, im here for the story moving forward. Nothing that been released recently has done that.

Also the scenes are overdone to a major degree with the lighting and the staging. There needs to be a give and take there, does the dev want to spend all their time making it look amazing, while nothing of note is happening in the story?

We have seen the changes numerous times so that the dev can try to speed up the development, and somehow none of that has materialized, and in fact at its current pace it has gotten slower.
 

Turret

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Last month's update was delayed due to animation, which was delayed because it was the first time
But the update was released three days ago after 40 days, and do not expect a developer to be able to provide you with a lot of content of this quality.
Only install daz Studio once to understand how time consuming it is to design scenes
I think the developer works around the clock to design the scenes




Even the rendering process sometimes takes tens of minutes to output each scene
Hardly and you seem to have swallowed L&P´s tall tales how work intensive it is. Yes, you need a lot of time, but we have high-grade fan artists here, e.g. Old Dog, who match and outproduce L&P any time of the day. L&P has currently an output of 3 renders/day averaged, which is nothing less but a bad joke! He has a GTX 3090, which means even sizable scenes are rendered in mere minutes! While L&P produces high-grade renders, he is extremly slow and this has nothing to do with render time and picture composition in DAZ. He is simply lazy as fuck at best, a milker at worst!

3 renders per day is simply insufficient and we have other top-level developers here which outproduce L&P by several orders of magnitude! Just one example, in the time L&P nedded to produce this mediocre mini-update, Mutt&Jeff produced several hundred renders and over 3 dozen animations for their next update! And their game is one of the most highly rated games on F95, so they produce quality too! And they are not the only ones, who are able to produce a steady stream of top-notch work. Only L&P is the one whose game will be finished sometime in the middle of the century! Which is laughable and unrealisitic!
 
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Old Dog

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Hardly and you seem to have swollowed L&P´s tall tales how work intensive it is. Yes, you need a lot of time, but we have high-grade fan artists here, e.g. Old Dog, who match and outproduce L&P any time of the day. L&P has currently an output of 3 renders/day averaged, which is nothing less but a bad joke! He has a GTX 3090, which means even sizable scenes are rendered in mere minutes! While L&P produces high-grade renders, he is extremly slow and this has nothing to do with render time and picture composition in DAZ. He is simply lazy as fuck at best, a milker at worst!

3 renders per day is simply insufficient and we have other top-level deleopers here which outproduce L&P by several orders of magnitude! Just one example, in the time L&P nedded to produce this mediocre mini-update, Mutt&Jeff produced several hundred renders and over 3 dozen animations for their next update! And their game is one of the most highly rated games on F95, so they produce quality too! And they are not the only ones, who are able to produce a steady stream of top-notch work. Only L&P is the one whose game will be finished sometime in the middle of the century! Which is laughable and unrealisitic!
Why he takes so long on updates has puzzled me for quite sometime and I have never really been satisfied with his answers so I stopped being a patron of his 2-3 months ago
 
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WhiteWolf619

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yeah hes binge watching karate kid movies and hes waiting to do the crane kick on Aiden :ROFLMAO:
When he finally get him mom naked he blows his load quicker than Liam ever has :ROFLMAO:
I could just image Dylan walking down steps to confront them while Sophia stands there half naked, and Dylan says something cheesy, and Aiden responds "kick his ass." And the whole gang just pounds him into the ground.
 
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