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I ask you how much insult and complain you can take related your work from people you don know?
That would depend on what type of complaint/criticism was thrown at that person.
I do a lot of Fan Art and I have had plenty of criticism thrown at me ,some justified some not,but the valid criticism I take on board and I have even changed a render when suggested by a person that it may look better this way.
Not all criticism is valid but some of it is, but when you are as blinkered as L&P is then all criticism thrown at him is rubbish even when they may have made a valid point
 
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I ask you how much insult and complain you can take related your work from people you don know?
That would depend on what type of complaint/criticism was thrown at that person.
I do a lot of Fan Art and I have had plenty of criticism thrown at me ,some justified some not,but the valid criticism I take on board and I have even changed a render when suggested by a person that it may look better this way.
Not all criticism is valid but some of it is so when you are as blinkered as L&P is all criticism thrown at him is rubbish even when they may have a valid point
Undertand
 

Talcum Powder

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I’ve read the speculation that Amber is busy in the kitchen, a reasonable assumption given the apron. Does anyone think she might be wearing it because she’s doing some household cleaning? Nah… if that were the case she’d be wearing Nathalie’s sexy maid outfit. Never mind.
 

Alley_Cat

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I think what gets to me sometimes (that I touched on before) is that I first started playing these type of games, I never felt I could empathise with males written in them - they just seemed like an entitled prick that for whatever reason got to sleep with all the women. Which got me started playing female protag games like this. And one of the things I found so refreshing when I discovered this game (and still a yardstick I use to decide whether a game is even worth downloading), is the choice of whether or not the entitled prick gets the girl.

Where I think this game has gone off the rails is that it starts by pretending to be all things to all people. While it's a pessimistic view, I'm pretty sure that all told, at the end of the day the only people that will end up sleeping with Sophia are going to be Liam, Ellie, Patricia, Sam and Dylan. I'm thinking in that order, based on what I've seen so far.

Which kinda implies that all the other characters like Aiden, Bennett, Janitor Clark, the movers, the subway thugs, Ava's boys, whoever, are only really there to give the impression of potential in order to drum up patronage. I mean, if we knew for certain that they never stood a chance with Sophia, would they be as popular as they are?

That said, I may just be bitter since many of the women that I might have wanted to have a chance with Sophia have ended up on the Dylan route, so not with the protagonist.
 

jamdan

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The other characters are fillers. Their roles are just to corrupt Sophia enough so she will have sex with the more taboo options. Or in the case of both side-jobs, cheap fetish content. Because of course you have to have a few shota's and creepy old men in every FMC game.

But that leads into issues that have been discussed so much, that it's almost...boring? To even talk about it anymore. The game has too many characters. Too many routes. Too much side-content that distracts from the core group of characters, even to the point of being developed before they are, or blocking their content all together.

The story is slowly becoming more disjointed and lacking of consistency the further it goes. And is further compounded since Dylan, and to me Ellie, are also "MC's" of the game with their own routes, making things even harder to handle.

You could literally cut 75%, if not more, of the characters from the game and it'd be better. Dylan, Liam, Ellie, Sam + His mom, Pat. And I'll let Ellie keep 1 friend, not however many she has now, and Aiden simply to have a darker route in the game.
 

Alley_Cat

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The other characters are fillers. Their roles are just to corrupt Sophia enough so she will have sex with the more taboo options. Or in the case of both side-jobs, cheap fetish content. Because of course you have to have a few shota's and creepy old men in every FMC game.

But that leads into issues that have been discussed so much, that it's almost...boring? To even talk about it anymore. The game has too many characters. Too many routes. Too much side-content that distracts from the core group of characters, even to the point of being developed before they are, or blocking their content all together.

The story is slowly becoming more disjointed and lacking of consistency the further it goes. And is further compounded since Dylan, and to me Ellie, are also "MC's" of the game with their own routes, making things even harder to handle.

You could literally cut 75%, if not more, of the characters from the game and it'd be better. Dylan, Liam, Ellie, Sam + His mom, Pat. And I'll let Ellie keep 1 friend, not however many she has now, and Aiden simply to have a darker route in the game.
Ellie doesn't have her own branches, at least not yet. So any implication of her as being an "MC" like Dylan is misplaced. All we really know is that on PD16, which we may not even reach, is when we can expect the branches to happen. Of which we're told there are going to be 3, which I believe will be Logan, Sam, and Jules. All of which should be clear by players of the Ellie route.

But I agree, since the Ellie and Patricia routes are focused on Sophia developing an interest in women, characters like Logan and Morello largely detract from the route. Even Ellie/Sam seems to have no real direction, only to emphasise that Ellie isn't considering being a lesbian, only bisexual.

And that's my point about DLC. If the game was made with just Jules as Ellie's main LI, the Ellie route would be far more appealing to players like me that are just in it for the boobs, and as many boobs as quickly as reasonable. While still giving those players that like dick the content with Dylan and Sam, within a reasonable timeframe. Give Dylan and Sam their own Lis, (Emma or Marie for Dylan, whoever for Sam) but just that. My main gripe and this PD is that a good half of the content is Dylan content that is mutually exclusive with the Sophia/Dylan route and completely superfluous.

At least the Jules content results in Ellie's excuse of "what about me?" Is actually needed for the resulting Ellie event. Can the same be said for this update? Is anything that happens this update going to progress the relationship between Sophia and Dylan? Or even the second side job at all?
 

Madarahyuuga

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Any chance this "Forgive Logan" involves Ellie needing to beg to get back together with him and even accept him to be with other girls? And like, it can happen in the presence of the same girl he cheated on her with and when she begs to get back together with him kind of start a Logan and lover domination route and create a cuckquean.
 
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GingerSweetGirl

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You could literally cut 75%, if not more, of the characters from the game and it'd be better. Dylan, Liam, Ellie, Sam + His mom, Pat. And I'll let Ellie keep 1 friend, not however many she has now, and Aiden simply to have a darker route in the game.
This is something I don't agree with. If we cut 75% of the characters then this would just be another porn game where you're inundated with the same characters scene...after scene...after scene. L&P has the right idea that a diverse cast of characters makes the game more realistic and provides interesting new ways for Sophia's corruption to be advanced.

The problem is that this approach is simply unsustainable for one person to manage. The dilemma is that what makes AWAM special are the details, but the details are killing it. If you eliminate the extra characters and the scenarios they bring to the table, then the eroticism will be damaged, but all of these characters make it difficult for the story to advance and pay off the eroticism.

I would be fine cutting the two side stories, and I would be fine cutting the hairdresser and her daughter. Otherwise I think the other characters have potential. The only solution would be for L&P to build a team and improve production speed. And I think we all agree that won't happen.

So I guess I'm trying to say that we're screwed.
 

ancienregimele

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There's a whole set of posts which have disappeared within the last few hours. They related to the essential issues regarding timescales, production schedules etc. This not only fuels my paranoia but seems to indicate something bigger at work. It seems "strawman" postings from L&P may be real & that he's able to exercise an element of control over what's said here & what vanishes, if it discusses any "inconvenient truth" about AWAM. Let's see how long this post lasts. It probably could survive because it's not cutting to the heart of any matter & could be classed as paranoid speculation.
 
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It seems "strawman" postings from L&P may be real & that he's able to exercise an element of control over what's said here & what vanishes, if it discusses any "inconvenient truth" about AWAM.
Any post that seems to be remotely close to violating the guidelines will most likely be deleted, including this post since it is Off-topic. And from what I know nobody has any control over any post except sometimes the moderators can be a little biased.

4 years ago I told a guy not to bad mouth others and reported his post but the only thing I got was a warning and my post was deleted. This happened in a thread that was not popular and had very few active participants. So it happens in most of the threads and not just AWAM.
 

deskald

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Keep Aiden or ask for mafia's help?
Getting rid of Aiden we will lose contents or the mafia solution will give new stories?
 

Talcum Powder

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Keep Aiden or ask for mafia's help?
Getting rid of Aiden we will lose contents or the mafia solution will give new stories?
As with just about every other aspect of the game, you're going to miss content on these choices. The question for you is, do you want to see as much content as possible or do you want to have a single narrative that follows one specific route?

Recommendation: keep two saves.
 

Sabertooth__

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As with just about every other aspect of the game, you're going to miss content on these choices. The question for you is, do you want to see as much content as possible or do you want to have a single narrative that follows one specific route?

Recommendation: keep two saves.
2 ? As of now I need atleast 6 saves to account for every path of the game. 5 for filthy route and 1 for the GW.
 

Talcum Powder

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2 ? As of now I need atleast 6 saves to account for every path of the game. 5 for filthy route and 1 for the GW.
I was referring to the specific question about Morello. I have nine saves now, I added one for the Sophia interrupts sex decision and another for the Morello, and another for Ellie forgives Logan. It’s a fucking mess, really.
 

Radoslaw Wolf

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2 ? As of now I need atleast 6 saves to account for every path of the game. 5 for filthy route and 1 for the GW.
Three saves seem to cover all my needs (however, I might have tweaked some variables in the process).
As for the GW path, could not force myself into it even when replaying the whole game from the beginning recently...
 
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