VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[ancienregimele]

You can't be seriously about it, seems to me like you want degrade our loved mother Sophia

Not degrade, restore, as in restore some sense of realism, much of which has been ditched over the years. That, to me, means the in-game stories but also the pace of production. It's a bit hard to believe now but AWAM was once an easy head & shoulders above the mass of puerile, basically written, games out there. [I described them, without any malice intended, as being mainly written by people under 35 for other people under 18]. Nothing wrong with that. They were & are popular, having a ready market but it left a gap in the pantheon that AWAM looked set to fill & for a time it did.

"Mother Sophia", is not a nun & should never have started out like one but by this stage she should have progressed more than she has. This wouldn't necessarily detract from the "slow burn" if just one or two routes were chosen for the foreseeable future. Those not liking the chosen route(s) would have to deal with it, (as I have had to deal with big boobs, a 2nd MC, shota etc., i.e. "like it, or lump it"). There should be a sense of momentum somewhere, that somewhere being in San Alejo, not as now, with a small segment of a playable day being delivered at a faster pace than the last one, hailed as a break-through.

I would have been the first to defend the whole set-up, a few years ago but now we're looking at a game/VN with an end date around mid-century, anywhere from 2041 to 2065, dependent on which baseline of production is taken as a start for the estimate. Many fans who are young now will be middle-aged. Many of us won't be here to see it. AWAM, stuck in 2017, maybe creeping into 2018, will be an historical document. That's assuming that it still exists.

I've played this for 5 years & left behind all but 2-3 other games in that time. I play it because of escapism & the unfounded hope that something will change for the better. I've advocated change for the last 3 years & it did change....it got slower....then it slowed down...then...

 

[blackfoxeyesred]

This game is meant to have realism and class. We know that's a fallacy now, even if many of us had hopes when we first discovered the game.

It does make me wonder if someone came along with a game that had the things we love about this game, but actually has realism and class, and none of the communication and public relations problems that L&P does. Project Myriam and JOHN may be the closest, but since you still have to play the sex scenes with the boyfriend/fiance, that's a dealbreaker for me. I also consider DDoS close, but it doesn't have M/S, which I imagine is a dealbreaker for many.

I think I undertand what you meant here, I've seen some games with good graphics and miserable script like the story was too bad and make me stop play, to AMAW have a good storyline as you can see at the beginning of the game the graphic wasn't that good , what makes me keep playing was all the atractive idea of a normal family moving to a diferent place and how hard was for the guys get Sophia atention, and her kids getting involved by this, I am sure if by the day one she had already fuck easily with some random character I would be playing this game.

 

[justwillsfine]

pm me and ill share it with You.

I seem unable to PM.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

Why is this eye displayed in the downloads section above some games?
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Did you happen to look in the Palantir?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Kinda sad if Ellie realy stay out of this Horse Ranch thing, she was the one who seemed must interested about this place and she is realy into this lesbian thing, and Patricia, Sophia and Ellie had such a good time at the club, I don't see any reason for Patricia to leave her lovely niece out of this marvellous thing, I would love to see Ellie playing with the pony if you know what I mean

I believe "playing with the pony" has been explicitly ruled out, if I do know what you mean. There are a lot of kinks in this forum, so it's hard to tell.

So far Sophia has pretty much forbidden Ellie against approaching Patricia about the kiss at the nightclub. But we haven't had enough Patricia events to know if she wouldn't approach Ellie herself in the future. But, like the sex scenes with Sam and Dylan, the game might not last long enough to find out.

I'm still waiting to hear about Jules' ballet and Ellie's dance performance that were mentioned right at the start of the game, but so far L&P has shown complete disinterest. I'm hoping we might hear more on PD16 when I believe the Jules branch starts. But I got rather pissed off when Sam's concert was announced, came and went, but not a peep about Jules and Ellie's performances. Ellie is even more popular than Sam in the polls, so popularity isn't even an excuse.

 

[justwillsfine]

I think I undertand what you meant here, I've seen some games with good graphics and miserable script like the story was too bad and make me stop play, to AMAW have a good storyline as you can see at the beginning of the game the graphic wasn't that good , what makes me keep playing was all the atractive idea of a normal family moving to a diferent place and how hard was for the guys get Sophia atention, and her kids getting involved by this, I am sure if by the day one she had already fuck easily with some random character I would be playing this game.

I've long thought the issue is that the game development is like the television series Lost. You get invested, but then there are a lot of random subplots (a janitor! A subway encounter! A home-school tutor!) and so far nothing seems like it's going to go anywhere. Sophia is supposed to be MC, but everything happens to her.

The scene with the maid and the massage should have gone somewhere. The argument has long seemed that there's no pay off without build up, but there was in that instance.

I'll plan to check it out in 2030 and hope there's . . . something happening. I've seen some timeline thoughts, and . . . come on. This isn't Proust. It's barely an in-development game. It's mostly a digital graphic novel I'll be surprised to see in full.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I believe "playing with the pony" has been explicitly ruled out, if I do know what you mean. There are a lot of kinks in this forum, so it's hard to tell.

So far Sophia has pretty much forbidden Ellie against approaching Patricia about the kiss at the nightclub. But we haven't had enough Patricia events to know if she wouldn't approach Ellie herself in the future. But, like the sex scenes with Sam and Dylan, the game might not last long enough to find out.

I'm still waiting to hear about Jules' ballet and Ellie's dance performance that were mentioned right at the start of the game, but so far L&P has shown complete disinterest. I'm hoping we might hear more on PD16 when I believe the Jules branch starts. But I got rather pissed off when Sam's concert was announced, came and went, but not a peep about Jules and Ellie's performances. Ellie is even more popular than Sam in the polls, so popularity isn't even an excuse.

Could be a simple issue that a dance recital could be too difficult to create. Sam's rock concert took long enough, and I think a dance recital would be even harder because of all the poses.

 

[Sabertooth__]

So, she's got even bigger all round. Strangely, this doesn't gladden my senses at all, especially not after viewing again the way Sophia looked when I started playing AWAM. It still leaves a question of why. Why was it thought necessary? Sophia's overall look could have been improved without making her larger, IMO. [This is a case where the lack of communication is a drawback to all concerned]. She's not ready for the shot-putting event yet but perhaps that overall growth of bones, muscle & sinew will help to prevent the onset of extreme back pain, which is common in women with large breasts as they approach middle-age, (& in some cases occurs from teen-age on). Sorry, nothing will ever make me like what L&P did. I have to accept it & hope he doesn't decide on any more random growth spurts.

I sometimes think that it would have been better for Sophia to have been around 43, instead of 38. She could have been about to have her looks & sex appeal decreased by becoming 'bigger', as less time for exercise, lower levels of energy generally because of age & a fast-food diet, owing to demands on her time, had their effect. That frustration, which is at times very hard to believe, might have seemed more credible but there would also have been an element of 'one harmless fling', to compensate for lack of marital satisfaction, making a variety of extra-marital sex within 30 playable days appear, (IMO), more plausible.

Although I have no interest in incest, it would also have made an eventual Sophia/Dylan shag-fest slightly more credible. There could still have been a c20 year age differential between mother & child but Dylan would have been in his early 20s, more mature & hopefully not an inexperienced virgin, (who knows not the ways of a man with a woman, apart from what he's seen in porn movies, or read about) & therefore unlikely to satisfy any mature woman, let alone his own mother, as he currently is.

It is not just Sophia that has been made a bit bigger but every single model in the game has been. Compare Dylan, Ellie, Sam, Patricia from Day 1 to now. Julia from from the beginning to on Day 18. Nathalie, Alyssa, all models have been improved.
So it's not like Sophia just became a huge monster while others remained tiny.
All the upgraded models look far better and detailed than the original, which directly contributes to how the game looks.
Back then he couldn't do better as he was a novice at Daz. His models looked just as generic as 95% games on this forum.
Also the upgrade was necessary because of patreons Changing guidelines. Sam Dylan Ellie models at the beginning would have definitely gotten the game banned it they still persisted. Now if those models will be made bigger and older looking, some effect has to be put in the MC too or the scene would look absolutely weird.

Now you're free to like or dislike something, so not gonna say anything about that.

As for the realism, that is subjective. You might not consider something L&P considers realistic and vice versa. He is writing based on what he has seen and experienced. I remember a message from him on this thread where he talked about the panty flashing scene of Sophia in class. He mentioned how he had teachers who would accidentally flash their panties without even realising and would dress sexy normally. He knows how the class reacts to such things as he has been the environment. Many consider absolutely unrealistic. But then again that has happened with him so for him it is real.

If you made a game claiming realism. You can bet that for almost every scene someone will raise a finger at you saying it is unrealistic and not classy at all. So what i believe in is if there is a good possibility that it can happen in this world then I should give the benefit to the writer. Not get stuck up on my definition.

 

[blackfoxeyesred]

I believe "playing with the pony" has been explicitly ruled out, if I do know what you mean. There are a lot of kinks in this forum, so it's hard to tell.

So far Sophia has pretty much forbidden Ellie against approaching Patricia about the kiss at the nightclub. But we haven't had enough Patricia events to know if she wouldn't approach Ellie herself in the future. But, like the sex scenes with Sam and Dylan, the game might not last long enough to find out.

I'm still waiting to hear about Jules' ballet and Ellie's dance performance that were mentioned right at the start of the game, but so far L&P has shown complete disinterest. I'm hoping we might hear more on PD16 when I believe the Jules branch starts. But I got rather pissed off when Sam's concert was announced, came and went, but not a peep about Jules and Ellie's performances. Ellie is even more popular than Sam in the polls, so popularity isn't even an excuse.

Maybe this Ranch event can be a family thing like the beach what make sence to me, and and they were talking about spend the night there so I assume we have a chance for Sophia or Ellie being involved in this lesbian thing, even one catch the other doing it, don't judge I am too creative to build theories

So now that you've mentioned about Ellie's dance performance some of the must fetish thing came to mind, we all know that Ellie is a cheerleader so I ask you guys do you think we can see our 'lil Ellie dressed like this someday?

Spoiler: Sophia with Ellie's cheerleader outfit

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[Sabertooth__]

Could be a simple issue that a dance recital could be too difficult to create. Sam's rock concert took long enough, and I think a dance recital would be even harder because of all the poses.

Plus if i remember right, it was supposed to happen after quite a few weeks. So even if it is supposed to happen in the game, it won't happen until close to the end.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Maybe this Ranch event can be a family thing like the beach what make sence to me, and and they were talking about spend the night there so I assume we have a chance for Sophia or Ellie being involved in this lesbian thing, even one catch the other doing it, don't judge I am too creative to build theories

So now that you've mentioned about Ellie's dance performance some of the must fetish thing came to mind, we all know that Ellie is a cheerleader so I ask you guys do you think we can see our 'lil Ellie dressed like this someday?

Spoiler: Sophia with Ellie's cheerleader outfit

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You're going on the wrong track. On Day 18 Sophia and Patricia talk about the farm again. From the looks of it. It is only going to be Patricia and Sophia going. L&P has only mentioned that almost the whole day is the farm event. Also if Ellie is there she will be a hindrance to Sophia Patricia progression as Sophia will be more reserved with her daughter around. Another indicator that Ellie won't be there is that the next Day, PD 16, is Full of Ellie events. L&P won't stuff Ellie on PD 15 then.

There is supposed to be another small event on that day. If it is going to be independent of Sophia then the only storylines that I see happening are Dylan Ellie at home or a very remote chance of it being Dylan Amber.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Could be a simple issue that a dance recital could be too difficult to create. Sam's rock concert took long enough, and I think a dance recital would be even harder because of all the poses.

No more difficult than the opera event already in the game. Generic dance poses are readily available. But like Sam's concert and the Yoga event, it's the shenanigans afterwards I'm more interested in, like a whole bunch of girls in the showers.

Maybe this Ranch event can be a family thing like the beach what make sence to me, and and they were talking about spend the night there so I assume we have a chance for Sophia or Ellie being involved in this lesbian thing, even one catch the other doing it, don't judge I am too creative to build theories

So now that you've mentioned about Ellie's dance performance some of the must fetish thing came to mind, we all know that Ellie is a cheerleader so I ask you guys do you think we can see our 'lil Ellie dressed like this someday?

Spoiler: Sophia with Ellie's cheerleader outfit

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There are basketball and football stadium assets available. So it's definitely possible. Whether L&P is interested or not is a completely different question.

And there are some fun things you can do with that cheerleader uniform, especially involving the skirt and high kicks.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

No more difficult than the opera event already in the game. Generic dance poses are readily available. But like Sam's concert and the Yoga event, it's the shenanigans afterwards I'm more interested in, like a whole bunch of girls in the showers.

There are basketball and football stadium assets available. So it's definitely possible. Whether L&P is interested or not is a completely different question.

And there are some fun things you can do with that cheerleader uniform, especially involving the skirt and high kicks.

You know that L&P wouldn't be satisfied with only generic dance moves. He'd want to write his own musical with original choreography.

AWAM: The Musical.

 

[blackfoxeyesred]

I've long thought the issue is that the game development is like the television series Lost. You get invested, but then there are a lot of random subplots (a janitor! A subway encounter! A home-school tutor!) and so far nothing seems like it's going to go anywhere. Sophia is supposed to be MC, but everything happens to her.

The scene with the maid and the massage should have gone somewhere. The argument has long seemed that there's no pay off without build up, but there was in that instance.

I'll plan to check it out in 2030 and hope there's . . . something happening. I've seen some timeline thoughts, and . . . come on. This isn't Proust. It's barely an in-development game. It's mostly a digital graphic novel I'll be surprised to see in full.

I see this janitor and some others scenes like a warm up into the game, feel like it happens in order to arouse interest, curiosity and desire for Sophia, which till then don't had lived those kind of things in life, even though Sophia show interest at some point for whoever it is, also is pretty understandable she don't go further immediately and take 2, 3 or more time to go to the action, as in real life you can't get the lady or boy to the bed on the first meeting you wil probably need some more, less sometimes is more.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Maybe this Ranch event can be a family thing like the beach what make sence to me, and and they were talking about spend the night there so I assume we have a chance for Sophia or Ellie being involved in this lesbian thing, even one catch the other doing it, don't judge I am too creative to build theories

So now that you've mentioned about Ellie's dance performance some of the must fetish thing came to mind, we all know that Ellie is a cheerleader so I ask you guys do you think we can see our 'lil Ellie dressed like this someday?

Spoiler: Sophia with Ellie's cheerleader outfit

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Also, concerning the ranch event, when we were given the roadmaps for both Dylan and Ellie, neither have events on PD15. It can't be an overnight thing either, because being a Sunday, both Dylan and Ellie have school the next day, even if Sophia doesn't.

 

[Bill_Buttlicker]

You know that L&P wouldn't be satisfied with only generic dance moves. He'd want to write his own musical with original choreography.

AWAM: The Musical.

...with a cast of thousands.

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report Ver. 0.165.

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[狮子歌歌]

This is so interesting. How long will it be updated? When was the last time?

 

[ancienregimele]

Rather than answer specific posts, which would take too long, (even for me) but having read all of the foregoing, I will give the following comments. First, let me say that I don't believe an author needs to experience something in order to write a work of fiction which includes those particular subjects. [Method acting is great but great actors don't all follow the method]. If it was the case, Frankenstein, Dracula & King Kong, to name just three classic tales, would never have been set down in print, before becoming long-running film franchises. I do, however, believe that some knowledge &/or research can make fiction more involving. [Charles Dicken's characters & events were all grounded in reality]. L&P can, at times, write really well, IMO & the length of this thread is a testament to that effect. [He can also write badly but can't we all?]. It's obvious that he does conduct some research.

There are two key elements pertinent to AWAM, however, which could stand some re-examination, IMO. Both concern the projection of a veneer of realism. There's the issue of middle-age &/or it's rapid onset. I understand the Dev to be in his mid-30s, so he can't possibly have direct experience of what this is like & being a man, well you can guess the rest. My point is simply to wonder if any research has been done. Now, of course, every person, middle-aged, or not, is different but I still sometimes find it hard to accept that when Sophia acts, or reacts to various things in AWAM, that we are dealing with a mature mother & highly intelligent career woman of 38.

Secondly, there's the circumstances regarding what it takes for a person in a long-term relationship to have a one-night-stand, or conduct a long-term, extra-curricular love affair. We've had information that something wild for PD19 is planned, so what I'm about to say could be wrong. (I hope it is). Most individuals, unless they're specifically attempting to have "a dirty weekend," don't set out one day, thinking that they'll meet someone with whom they'll have a sexual relationship outside of their current living arrangements. They don't interact with someone, over a period of time, in a manner so sexually charged that they build up 'filthy points'. Even if something happens with a person they've known a long time, when it happens it will not be planned. People having an affair are usually acting outside of their normal patterns of behaviour. They are taking decisions about stuff they would not usually consider.

Sophia needs to act out of character, as would be the case in RL. Sex with someone other than Liam, by this token, could have already happened. Some affairs may well have a slow build up but I contend that they more usually resemble an onrushing express train. There's not so much time for the inner thought process, or lip-biting & there's no room at all for cock-blockers of any description. Emotions & thoughts involve guilt, lots of it, confusion, worry & guilt & wondering what happens next. Some of this could speed up AWAM overnight. Whether or not some fans would find it all a bit of an anti-climax, is surely not the issue. That's going to happen whatever occurs. Time to get a move on....?

 

[Lusty007]

You're going on the wrong track. On Day 18 Sophia and Patricia talk about the farm again. From the looks of it. It is only going to be Patricia and Sophia going. L&P has only mentioned that almost the whole day is the farm event. Also if Ellie is there she will be a hindrance to Sophia Patricia progression as Sophia will be more reserved with her daughter around. Another indicator that Ellie won't be there is that the next Day, PD 16, is Full of Ellie events. L&P won't stuff Ellie on PD 15 then.

There is supposed to be another small event on that day. If it is going to be independent of Sophia then the only storylines that I see happening are Dylan Ellie at home or a very remote chance of it being Dylan Amber.

It doesn't matter whether event is with ellie or patricia All that matters is we have to wait another 1 and half year for event to start