VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[PietruccioTheHilander]

Yeah, what you say here explains pretty well why many people think this update wasn't good at all. It just doesn't make any sense. L&P could of made it a task, and nobody would of said a word. The scene itself was hot, but the story behind it was nonsensical and garbage. Sophia didn't want to do it, she didn't like it, her facial expression was very telling. And that's the problem. She could of simply said: NO. It wasn't part of Aiden's Blackmail and the 12 tasks. It's a weird way to progress the corruption path, without Sophia actually being corrupted by it. She just hated every second of it.

Poorly planned scene, writing, execution. The event-based updates make the game worse. The transitions between scenes are also suffering from it as everything seems chopped.

Sophia at home > Sophia at school > Sophia at home > Sophia at Aiden's hideout... and it's probably gonna keep going like this. There's no in-between anymore. Scene, cut. Next scene, cut. That's atleast how I see it.

 

[PietruccioTheHilander]

I have not visited the forum for a long time, but then I looked at update 0.161 and for the first time I thought about what is the similarity between fairy tales for children from 3 to 7 years old and porn films for adults. It turns out that there and there it is not required to adhere to logic. The animals are talking. How? It's like a fairytale. Something appears from nothing and disappears into nowhere contrary to the laws of physics, and this is clear to all children - this is a fairy tale, everything is possible in it.
I read the chat and saw that some participants spoke very negatively about this update. That this is the worst update they've seen. I must say that such assessments happen after each update of this author. However, the game continues.
However, it seems to me that even the most staunch fighters see that the game is already reminiscent of F.Felini's surrealistic films and standard Japanese anime porn at the same time.
Sofia with each update not only loses her intellect, will, but also her sense of style and taste. At first, not a suitable outfit for a biker cafe, but the outfit for meeting Aiden in the latest update is the outfit of a woman who is broken and ready to further undress and humiliate herself.
I won’t describe what she wore to meet the bully, if this is a demonstration that she is not afraid of him, then why was she not wearing a beach pareo with a mini bikini from a pool fashion show (just kidding). Brad - definitely and indisputably. But the delirium began much earlier than updates 0.150 and 0160, when in the classroom she turned from a teacher into a lustful porn diva with a tight skirt pulled up to the waist, which she herself, hiding behind the table in front of the whole class, pulled up, and then simply forced herself to feel her student friend son. We see two games. In one, Sofia is ready for a secret affair with a neighbor's boy, daughter's friend, sister, friend, and in the other, this same Sofia throws the well-being of the family, prosperity, respect for others, work into the pit, but for what? This is incomprehensible. Secret intrigue and public humiliation of nakedness in front of other people are two opposite sides of the process of debauchery for her going simultaneously and in parallel.
But if earlier the author did not pay attention to the logic of events between updates, speeding up the process in every possible way, now the logic is also broken inside individual episodes.
Sophia stood in front of the class with her skirt up, the class does not see, the student feels Sophia's boobs in the lesson - the class does not see, Sophia screams and swears at Andre - the class does not hear. Does she teach in a class for deaf-blind teenagers? In the prime of his activity and hypersexuality.
She came to the meeting with Aiden in a super sexy outfit.
If she accepted his demands and began to expose herself or allowed herself to be felt, then why did she have such an expression on her face. In order not to provoke hooligans, she would have to stand with the expression of a stupid cow on her stone face, and according to the author’s plan, she did everything that she was ordered with an indignant mug, and even insulted the main tormentor and then proudly left. Ha-ha-ha. The magical power of pepper spray also amused me. It would be a logical continuation if her hand was intercepted and hickeys were inflicted on her neck and breasts. This would greatly spur this implausible episode. I think that in update 0.165 the neighbor also went crazy and meets Dylan in an apron, and underwear or a bikini. Long live the sexual insanity.

send this message to L&P, I'm curious about the answer

 

[Sabertooth__]

You are mistaking him for Sakimichan.

There is 17 and 4/5 days left.

The dev told us that we will have 2 hetero sex scenes in next 4 days.Read as PD 16.
Of course I have the felling he was talking about swap the wife with Andy and Cathy.And the potential sex between Ellie and Logan.

No the wife swap isn't happening anytime soon. Hetero sex scene could mean sex between other characters or Sophia might give a handjob or blowjob. I don't see complete sex happening.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Yeah, what you say here explains pretty well why many people think this update wasn't good at all. It just doesn't make any sense. L&P could of made it a task, and nobody would of said a word. The scene itself was hot, but the story behind it was nonsensical and garbage. Sophia didn't want to do it, she didn't like it, her facial expression was very telling. And that's the problem. She could of simply said: NO. It wasn't part of Aiden's Blackmail and the 12 tasks. It's a weird way to progress the corruption path, without Sophia actually being corrupted by it. She just hated every second of it.

Poorly planned scene, writing, execution. The event-based updates make the game worse. The transitions between scenes are also suffering from it as everything seems chopped.

Sophia at home > Sophia at school > Sophia at home > Sophia at Aiden's hideout... and it's probably gonna keep going like this. There's no in-between anymore. Scene, cut. Next scene, cut. That's atleast how I see it.

You can say NO to the scene and walk off, the Aiden route will not end if you say No. It is YOU who choose to play that scene. This is a game of choices. Some agree with your choice, some don't. Simple as that. You can walk away.

I have not visited the forum for a long time, but then I looked at update 0.161 and for the first time I thought about what is the similarity between fairy tales for children from 3 to 7 years old and porn films for adults. It turns out that there and there it is not required to adhere to logic. The animals are talking. How? It's like a fairytale. Something appears from nothing and disappears into nowhere contrary to the laws of physics, and this is clear to all children - this is a fairy tale, everything is possible in it.
I read the chat and saw that some participants spoke very negatively about this update. That this is the worst update they've seen. I must say that such assessments happen after each update of this author. However, the game continues.
However, it seems to me that even the most staunch fighters see that the game is already reminiscent of F.Felini's surrealistic films and standard Japanese anime porn at the same time.
Sofia with each update not only loses her intellect, will, but also her sense of style and taste. At first, not a suitable outfit for a biker cafe, but the outfit for meeting Aiden in the latest update is the outfit of a woman who is broken and ready to further undress and humiliate herself.
I won’t describe what she wore to meet the bully, if this is a demonstration that she is not afraid of him, then why was she not wearing a beach pareo with a mini bikini from a pool fashion show (just kidding). Brad - definitely and indisputably. But the delirium began much earlier than updates 0.150 and 0160, when in the classroom she turned from a teacher into a lustful porn diva with a tight skirt pulled up to the waist, which she herself, hiding behind the table in front of the whole class, pulled up, and then simply forced herself to feel her student friend son. We see two games. In one, Sofia is ready for a secret affair with a neighbor's boy, daughter's friend, sister, friend, and in the other, this same Sofia throws the well-being of the family, prosperity, respect for others, work into the pit, but for what? This is incomprehensible. Secret intrigue and public humiliation of nakedness in front of other people are two opposite sides of the process of debauchery for her going simultaneously and in parallel.
But if earlier the author did not pay attention to the logic of events between updates, speeding up the process in every possible way, now the logic is also broken inside individual episodes.
Sophia stood in front of the class with her skirt up, the class does not see, the student feels Sophia's boobs in the lesson - the class does not see, Sophia screams and swears at Andre - the class does not hear. Does she teach in a class for deaf-blind teenagers? In the prime of his activity and hypersexuality.
She came to the meeting with Aiden in a super sexy outfit.
If she accepted his demands and began to expose herself or allowed herself to be felt, then why did she have such an expression on her face. In order not to provoke hooligans, she would have to stand with the expression of a stupid cow on her stone face, and according to the author’s plan, she did everything that she was ordered with an indignant mug, and even insulted the main tormentor and then proudly left. Ha-ha-ha. The magical power of pepper spray also amused me. It would be a logical continuation if her hand was intercepted and hickeys were inflicted on her neck and breasts. This would greatly spur this implausible episode. I think that in update 0.165 the neighbor also went crazy and meets Dylan in an apron, and underwear or a bikini. Long live the sexual insanity.

Your root issue of the dress was addressed, Aiden specifically told her to wear that dress. If someone extorts her to dress like a slut then you can't judge her fashion sense in that. She hated it. What do think should have been her reaction if not disgusted. A stupid cow face. This isn't a comedy. The expression suited tbe situation and her nature. The pepper spray threat was no real threat. It wasn't even portrayed as one. That's all Sophia had and she just put it forward. Doesn't mean she truly believed a pepper spray can save her from 9 guys. The black guy's reaction said it all. Immediately after that without wasting a second, Aiden tells the guys to let her go.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Yeah, what you say here explains pretty well why many people think this update wasn't good at all. It just doesn't make any sense. L&P could of made it a task, and nobody would of said a word. The scene itself was hot, but the story behind it was nonsensical and garbage. Sophia didn't want to do it, she didn't like it, her facial expression was very telling. And that's the problem. She could of simply said: NO. It wasn't part of Aiden's Blackmail and the 12 tasks. It's a weird way to progress the corruption path, without Sophia actually being corrupted by it. She just hated every second of it.

Poorly planned scene, writing, execution. The event-based updates make the game worse. The transitions between scenes are also suffering from it as everything seems chopped.

Sophia at home > Sophia at school > Sophia at home > Sophia at Aiden's hideout... and it's probably gonna keep going like this. There's no in-between anymore. Scene, cut. Next scene, cut. That's atleast how I see it.

I think we're getting a glimpse into L&P's kinks, and I think it's pretty gross. Between the kids she tutors, and the Aiden story, I think it is becoming clear that L&P has a preference for sexual content that is explicitly taboo and degrading/unenjoyable for the woman. The children have been rushed to the front of the line when it comes to overt sexual content, and he continues to lean into how much Sophia hates Aiden and his orders.

It makes me wonder if Sophia is ever going to have enjoyable consensual sex on the FW route without being depicted as a worthless whore.

 

[palmtrees89]

You can say NO to the scene and walk off, the Aiden route will not end if you say No. It is YOU who choose to play that scene. This is a game of choices. Some agree with your choice, some don't. Simple as that. You can walk away.

I'm fully aware of that. You are missing the point. Just because you as the player can make the choice to walk away doesn't mean the scene itself and the story behind it is any better. It's just dumb.

Or, let me rephrase that actually. If you as the player make the choice not to walk away, but end up seeing a scene that doesn't make any sense storywise, it's just dumb. But hey, you can like it if you're okay with completely nonsensical story development.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I'm fully aware of that. You are missing the point. Just because you as the player can make the choice to walk away doesn't mean the scene itself and the story behind it is any better. It's just dumb.

Or, let me rephrase that actually. If you as the player make the choice not to walk away, but end up seeing a scene that doesn't make any sense storywise, it's just dumb. But hey, you can like it if you're okay with completely nonsensical story development.

The whole point of having a choice is that if you think it is a dumb or redundant scenario you exit it.
The scene was just Aiden having his fun. The scene in the gallery is named clearly that. It was not meant to progress Aiden route. You can raise the issue of why make scene that doesn't move the route when ten development is so slow. But that's out of the point here.

 

[palmtrees89]

The whole point of having a choice is that if you think it is a dumb or redundant scenario you exit it.
The scene was just Aiden having his fun. The scene in the gallery is named clearly that. It was not meant to progress Aiden route. You can raise the issue of why make scene that doesn't move the route when ten development is so slow. But that's out of the point here.

Are we back discussing things where you're entirely missing the point? Please let's not go there. You don't understand what I'm saying, fine. This has absolutely nothing to do with walking away if you dislike the scene. Are you pretending or just looking for drama again? Oh boy..

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

The whole point of having a choice is that if you think it is a dumb or redundant scenario you exit it.
The scene was just Aiden having his fun. The scene in the gallery is named clearly that. It was not meant to progress Aiden route. You can raise the issue of why make scene that doesn't move the route when ten development is so slow. But that's out of the point here.

Just because you can avoid it doesn't absolve the scene from being stupid.

 

[Sabertooth__]

I think we're getting a glimpse into L&P's kinks, and I think it's pretty gross. Between the kids she tutors, and the Aiden story, I think it is becoming clear that L&P has a preference for sexual content that is explicitly taboo and degrading/unenjoyable for the woman. The children have been rushed to the front of the line when it comes to overt sexual content, and he continues to learn into how much Sophia hates Aiden and his orders.

It makes me wonder if Sophia is ever going to have enjoyable consensual sex on the FW route without being depicted as a worthless whore.

Isn't this too harsh. I mean Aiden's storyline is just one route. A woman has a lot more to enjoy. You have Dylan Sam Ellie Patricia Andy, Nathalie, Alyssa, Zac, maybe Deshawn Vicky and maybe many more who all will have consensual sex ( if sex with these characters happens ) in the filthy wife route. Everyone's likes are different. This route is explicitly stated as a dark route, so if it gets too much Just stick with the consenual, relationship building routes.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Just because you can avoid it doesn't absolve the scene from being stupid.

Are we back discussing things where you're entirely missing the point? Please let's not go there. You don't understand what I'm saying, fine. This has absolutely nothing to do with walking away if you dislike the scene. Are you pretending or just looking for drama again? Oh boy..

Explain to me the stupid part of it in detail please.

 

[palmtrees89]

Explain to me the stupid part of it in detail please.

I did in my first post regarding this. And so did Sergej. If you don't get this, I can't help you. But I can make the choice to walk away because it's dumb. Isn't that great!

 

[Sabertooth__]

I did in my first post regarding this. And so did Sergej. If you don't get this, I can't help you. But I can make the choice to walk away because it's dumb. Isn't that great!

I read the post, addressed the points you called dumb like the dress and expressions mentioned. Please elaborate more.

 

[palmtrees89]

I read the post, addressed the points you called dumb like the dress and expressions mentioned. Please elaborate more.

I could redirect you to my first 2 posts about this, but I'm afraid that won't make you understand either. I get that you'd love to argue for the next 20 pages, but in the end we're back at square one. Ginger got my point, and prolly several others who upvoted my post, and likely pretty much everyone else reading it. But you don't. And it's probably not because you can't, you just love to argue over nothing. And I know this isn't gonna cut it for you, because you gotta have the last word on everything, so.. enjoy typing your reply. I'm out!

 

[armion82]

No the wife swap isn't happening anytime soon. Hetero sex scene could mean sex between other characters or Sophia might give a handjob or blowjob. I don't see complete sex happening.

You probably missed the some sentence.
And last but not least, for all the impatient who only want to see one thing (Liam excluded). Here is a rough outlook:

1st big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days
2nd big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days

Which of course means that any other sexual practices will happen in betweewn as well!

It's obvious he is talking about sex.Otherwise he won't even mention Liam or other sexual practices(read as HJ,BJ,TJ etc)

 

[Sabertooth__]

I could redirect you to my first 2 posts about this, but I'm afraid that won't make you understand either. I get that you'd love to argue for the next 20 pages, but in the end we're back at square one. Ginger got my point, and prolly several others who upvoted my post, and likely pretty much everyone else reading it. But you don't. And it's probably not because you can't, you just love to argue over nothing. And I know this isn't gonna cut it for you, because you gotta have the last word on everything, so.. enjoy typing your reply. I'm out!

I decently asked you to explain yourself. Yet you can't, i addressed the points mentioned already. It's pretty easy to say that something is dumb. I could call anyone or anything dumb as long as i don't have to give an explanation for it. So be it. I couldn't less either.

 

[Sabertooth__]

You probably missed the some sentence.
And last but not least, for all the impatient who only want to see one thing (Liam excluded). Here is a rough outlook:

1st big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days
2nd big hetero sex scene with an important character: Within the next 4 playable days

Which of course means that any other sexual practices will happen in betweewn as well!

It's obvious he is talking about sex.Otherwise he won't even mention Liam or other sexual practices(read as HJ,BJ,TJ etc)

Ya, as i agree with it. I too say that Sophia might give a handjob or blowjob, but i don't see Sophia having full sex with a man on PD 16.
Logically from a game point of view. The first sex scene out of marriage has to be the Wife Swap. If Sophia cheats and ahs complete sex before that, then the swap scene will loose any excitement as that sex scene happens in Liam's presence. The wife Swap will happen at a later date. Since in the last scene with Cathy they to take your time and then answer to Sophia and Liam.

 

[hzjujk]

I think we're getting a glimpse into L&P's kinks, and I think it's pretty gross. Between the kids she tutors, and the Aiden story, I think it is becoming clear that L&P has a preference for sexual content that is explicitly taboo and degrading/unenjoyable for the woman. The children have been rushed to the front of the line when it comes to overt sexual content, and he continues to lean into how much Sophia hates Aiden and his orders.

It makes me wonder if Sophia is ever going to have enjoyable consensual sex on the FW route without being depicted as a worthless whore.

I asked L&P because I too found the scene in the backyard at the gang's meeting place pretty disgusting, and I just didn't understand why the whole scene didn't seem to have any impact on the rest of the game. I suggested to him that most of the scenes were gifts to his supporters to give these people something to do and that the whole plot was progressing too slowly.

His answer was: "Something like that! Also, I wanted to show the sadistic nature of Aiden again and it was a great opportunity/setting for the appearance of Morello's people."

 

[1879]

I decently asked you to explain yourself. Yet you can't, i addressed the points mentioned already. It's pretty easy to say that something is dumb. I could call anyone or anything dumb as long as i don't have to give an explanation for it. So be it. I couldn't less either.

You can also exchange numbers and meet privately because the constant repetition makes everyone tired...

 

[bayrischman]

I could redirect you to my first 2 posts about this, but I'm afraid that won't make you understand either. I get that you'd love to argue for the next 20 pages, but in the end we're back at square one. Ginger got my point, and prolly several others who upvoted my post, and likely pretty much everyone else reading it. But you don't. And it's probably not because you can't, you just love to argue over nothing. And I know this isn't gonna cut it for you, because you gotta have the last word on everything, so.. enjoy typing your reply. I'm out!

sabertooth full on action. endless arguing with sabertooth.