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The fact that these events are so completely unrelated to anything else in the game is exactly why it would be better to just leave them out, considering how slowly L&P is moving this game forward. What's the point of artificially putting all the kinks in a game and losing focus on a good story?
Again, it's not about these events can be skipped. It's that the kids events don't fit into the main story (righteousness and sexual restraint of Sophia) at all and just waste development time.
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You're continuously going off about Righteousness and self restraint, can you say exactly what did she do in the 2nd job that showed she has no self restraint in herself ? And quite a righteous woman she is... showing of her breasts and panties to Larry or letting Tyler feel her crotch, not to mention making out and allowing the neighbours son to grope her and also teasing both Sam and Dylan of her own will. Very righteous indeed.
You don't want to see the content of that route Don't see it. There are many routes. Some Don't like the incest content at all. So the main storylines of Dylan, Ellie and Patricia ( which is effectively more than 50% of the game ) that you might play is not content for them. Just like you they could also say L&P is wasting time making incest routes. Some only like lesbian content. They can say L&P should drop all hetero routes and that will speed up the game. But that's not how it works. Everyone has their preferences. You have yours others have theirs.
There are routes in the game i would be fine with being removed as that takes up so much development time being an important routes but i don't complain about it. I know i have to deal with it. I don't like it but many do. That's just how it is going to be.
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It's about the fact that Sophia is presented in the game as very reserved in sexual matters. The whole game is about others getting her to do things that she doesn't want to do (or that are out of her comfort zone). I don't know how many dialogos there have been in order to achieve the smallest progress in the game. To me, that seems like an endless number.
What is so wrong with the events with the kids in this game is that she virtually imposes herself on the kids. In my opinion, L&P sacrifices the coherence of the game only to introduce to cheaply add an addditional kink in a side story is not even is connected to any other element of the game at all. All this despite the fact that this game already threatens to fail due to too many side stories and incredibly slow development.
BTW, Your comparison of these kids events with, for example, lesbian story events is unfitting. This begins, for example, with the fact that the characters of the other events are also connected to other story elements. This story events (also i am also not so much into lesbian stuff) does not hang like the two sides jobs completely in nowhere.
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If you say she is still completely reserved then you haven't really been following the game. What part of the Larry scene is reserved, or her continuosly staring at Deshawn's dick, or fantasizing about Ares' cock and enjoying it, letting Nathalie run all over her and then presenting herself to the mailman in just her underwear and teasing him. Not to mention the whole Jaccuzi event. Kissing back Ellie without hesitation after masturbating infront of her and watching her orgasm. All this happens on the same day as the last event of the 2nd job and you feel her having no sexual thoughts and just purely speaking educationally to the boys was the most unrestrained and unreseved scene of the game.It's about the fact that Sophia is presented in the game as very reserved in sexual matters. The whole game is about others getting her to do things that she doesn't want to do (or that are out of her comfort zone). I don't know how many dialogos there have been in order to achieve the smallest progress in the game. To me, that seems like an endless number.
What is so wrong with the events with the kids in this game is that she virtually imposes herself on the kids. In my opinion, L&P sacrifices the coherence of the game only to introduce to cheaply add an addditional kink in a side story is not even is connected to any other element of the game at all. All this despite the fact that this game already threatens to fail due to too many side stories and incredibly slow development.
BTW, Your comparison of these kids events with, for example, lesbian story events is unfitting. This begins, for example, with the fact that the characters of the other events are also connected to other story elements. This story events (also i am also not so much into lesbian stuff) does not hang like the two sides jobs completely in nowhere.
I don't remember Sophia imposing herself. The boys suggested it, the boys continuosly tried to convince her. Yet she only did the bare minimum and you say she was imposing herself on them ? Seriously ? If anything the boys were imposing on Sophia because of their curiosity.
How is Vicky, Nathalie, Emma, connected to the story aren't they hanging out as well according to your logic. If anything what is connected to the story. The story is Sophia's corruption. Anything related to Sophia is the main story. Who corrupts her does and how they do it doesn't matter.
It is not about a son or daughter's quest to winning their mother or the neighbour kid's quest of getting the milf Nextdoor to have sex with him. As long as these scenes are directed at Sophia, they are part of the story. Secondly my example in the previous message with incest and lesbian routes is an example to the idea that many people don't like certain routes. Some hate Dylan, some Sam, some Aiden. You can't just say that developing routes that you don't like is a waste of time.
And the reality is that no specific route is necessary for her corruption, you can remove any character from this story and Sophia will still get corrupted further. That is evidence that there is no real connected story. There can't be, because the player has the choice to remove any character they want. L&P still has to continue the story without such character. Hence no character is essential. Any character can play the part and any character can easily be removed.
You just don't like the 2nd job route and are now trying to find reasons to discredit it. You called her righteous and having self restrain, i showed that's not the case, you said she was imposing which was not true about the scene as well.
This discussion was long over during the last update with the 2nd job. Those who have a problem with it. Just Don't play the next update. Don't give your thoughts on it. Avoid it like a plague. Let everyone engage in routes which they like without creating a commotion.
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I would have whole heartedly agreed but those 10-11 days after the update with no progress, is what ruins any pace he carries out throughout the development.
The argument that you could simply ignore that part of the story is nonsensical when you consider that AWAM's biggest problem is its many side stories and slow development. If you think about it for even a second, you'll quickly realize that the easiest side stories to cut from the game by L&P would be the ones least connected to the actual story. The fact that they can be completely ignored is not a reason to leave them in, but the best proof that they are useless. AWAM is already filled with so many branches in the main story, there is no need for these events, especially if you consider that at least the events with the kids are also completely implemented against the actual flow in the game. L&P contradicts virtually all of Sohia's character design in these events. Why the hell would she sexually force herself on these kids? It's poorly written and just garbage.
Anyway, the important thing is to realize that the other side stories, even the ones that are presented from a different perspective than Sophia, give more depth to the characters in the main story. That makes the game better. Simply adding more and more side stories, however, only pushes the game into the broad and that brings nothing but only further and further delays in the game's development.
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The many side stories as you like to call it is what makes Awam much more engaging, you don't have to keep seeing the same 4 people scene after scene, because in real life any person who works and is social has to interact with more than 4 people. Plus the game caters to a diverse audience. Which is a plus. The game is not for one dev, that is true but cutting down the game will ruin what makes it good.
If you don't remember L&P has already cut the Bennett Storyline short and at the same time postponed Coach Sophia storyline to DLC. The bar scene was also cut short and moved to DLC. So the game is already being cut and routes are being removed. Still people aren't satisfied, and i can bet even if he removes these 2 side jobs people will still complain about the slow Development and many routes. For majority all they care for is Dylan Ellie Sam fuck Sophia and are ready to give up every other storyline to see it as quickly as possible. Not realising that will destroy the game. Your goal might be just to see Sophia doing it all with certain characters, L&P's goal is do make a realistic world in his game.
The writer decides what the scope of his story will be in any form of media. The audience only chooses to go with story or not. Some don't like long stories with many characters, then these people don't follow such stories to begin with.
Lastly, you still haven't shown what part of the scene depicts Sophia SEXUALLY FORCING herself on the boys. Anyone who played the scene saw that boys were the ones who insisted on being nude, asking Sophia to use them as models and convincing her to do it. You have constantly tried to bring points saying it ruins Sophia's character but every argument of yours was contradicted by the scenes in the game itself.
Just admit you hate the 2nd job and want it removed. No need to make up justifications for not wanting it in the story. Many people here outright said that this route is not to their Liking and they are disgusted by it. Which is fine. Everyone chooses what to like or dislike. They have moved on and don't bother themselves with this storyline. You should do the same.
The game is too big in scope and the only solution is a team of equally skilled artists as L&P. Any other alternative solution will ruin the game one way or another.
And lastly no one can do anything about anything in this game, except L&P. So the only solutions are ignore routes you don't like and if you don't like the game's direction and making ignore the game all together. There is no point to argue on this.
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I posted an image with the progression, just make some counts and see the estimation, I won't do that for you too.
You said it yourself, L&P was already able to remove an unnecessary side story. A side story, that was much more connected to the rest of the game than the two side jobs are. That was a first important step to get the game finished with a realistic probability, but unfortunately not yet enough.
As I said, in contrast to the way you present it, the elimination of unnecessary side stories is the only way to implement the game. That L&P will actually let himself be assisted is simply unrealistic. If the community demands this too much, L&P will just invent some imaginary help again (like the person doing the animations, ...
). ... I'm sorry that I have to rob you of an illusion here, but that you think that L&P would build up a team of people working on this game is simply naive. No, the only chance to get the game finished is good project management. A good project needs realistic goals and is made better by not getting caught up in secondary issues. No animations, less side stories., etc.The story with the kids is so good for cutting mainly due to the fact that it is badly written (not really fitting to the rest of the story) and completely detached from the rest of the game. If L&P would also cut the other side story and maybe one or two more side stories, the game could at least start to be realistically again. I'm not just saying that because I don't like these kids events, but simply because it's necessary.
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If he continues with same pace should be done by aug 20th-22nd with some small breaks by 25-27th with some big breaks sep 2nd-3rd.. But still its L&P so anything can happend
Has this been verified? Currently, the link does not point to anything specific.
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L&P said it in a random patreon response, but I can't find it so far.
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No idea why he is talking about next 4 days.
After all only first 2 days will have Sophia/Dylan scenes.
Unless he wants to make something like the yoga for PD15-Sophia POV and Dylan POV.
And suddenly add a Sophia/Dylan event on PD16.