VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

You might be right but it is still a pointless comment to make as we know that L&P will NOT drop either side job as they tick off two different fetishes, and L&P needs multiple fetishes to attract enough Patreons to make up for his slow update development speed.

You could make that exact comment ten times a day, every day, and NOTHING will change. L&P has made it clear that he considers the 2nd side job in particular as "Hot".

I agree, it was a pointless comment. I know full well L&P wont remove the side jobs. But L&P isn't going to remove the bonus storyline either.

I was just disagreeing that the Ellie route branches weren't part of Sophia's corruption. If anything, Ellie and Logan's coffee date (during the Bikini Fashion show), or the fooling around Ellie and Jules are doing are great examples of how the route is doing scenes off-screen that don't involve Sophia.

EDIT: I had a look through the walkthrough and couldn't find anything, but is there any actual requirement to be playing the Ellie route in order to play the bonus storyline?

 

[kimber700]

Not until Monday (PD16). Aiden fans are more or less in the same boat as Ellie and Sam fans in terms of waiting.

thank you.

 

[maybes4]

Chasing Sunsets does not have a traditional mother son route... It has a major LI in a woman who we discover is a clone of the mother (her DNA - but none of her memories or the same life experiences to define her) but is unaware of this during the early part of the story.

AWAM does offer a more 'traditional' mother son relationship that can stay on the traditional path (decide to pursue Emma or Marie as a GF) or it can shift to an adult relationship between a woman and younger man who began as Mother Son and choose to add other facets to their relationship (which, given the uber slow development time - we will see better defined over the next decade or two).

then can you give me another example with traditional mom son like awam.
Its hard to compare 2 games with different story wise
What makes AWAM special is its story and graphic. I do agree with you there are games on the forum reaching the same level at quality, but what about story?

 

[ihl86]

Understand your opinion but the most of AWAM fans are likes two aspects I think. One is the art (the top class rendering - this is not only the characters but the settings) and another one is the development (slow seduction and progression, conservative MC, plots...). This development could have a lot of objection (because of the speed and not many sex scenes) but I (and many fans) like it because of this.
I also hope a bit faster the updates. While don't like the delaying updates nevertheless love this game.

I totally agree with the slow corruption part. It's one of the fetishes I was talking about. I hate it when Day 1 the character is all innocent, Day 2 or 3 already getting gangbanged.

 

[jan^s]

then can you give me another example with traditional mom son like awam.
Its hard to compare 2 games with different story wise
What makes AWAM special is its story and graphic. I do agree with you there are games on the forum reaching the same level at quality, but what about story?

Vice
https://f95zone.to/threads/vice-v4-storyteller97.59222/

 

[Bishop Robert]

Vice
https://f95zone.to/threads/vice-v4-storyteller97.59222/

Those character models will be in my nightmares tonight.

Pray for me.

 

[Benson20]

where can i find scenes with the Postman ??

 

[CSK92]

An unfair comparison. Myriam... certainly has more scenes, but some of those scenes consist of maybe 10 frames, which are good but nowhere near the quality of AWAM. You personally may be happy with that but I find it extremely distracting. Don't get me wrong, I like the game Myriam.... but it's more of a meet and fuck game. AWAM in my personal opinion is miles ahead of Myriam... in scene building and eroticism. and was never intended to be a meet and fuck game.

I think you somewhat missed the point. The PM Dev is working his ass off. LP is dragging his knutts.

 

[CSK92]

Out of curiosity for those who were here early on (I was here early too but I wasn’t paying much attention to this game’s releases at the time),

how long did it take for each update and how much of an ingame day was in each update?

I might be wrong, but it was 2-3 months per update and a half day. Old Dog probably could be more precise. I was giving him hell after the 1st year or so because the updates kept getting slower. I was PMing the Dev to get help the this terrific VN and Old Dog was steadfastly defending LP. After awhile, you figure things out.
Its not Milking. Its Greed with a touch of laziness or maybe I have this backwards.

 

[maybes4]

Vice
https://f95zone.to/threads/vice-v4-storyteller97.59222/

whats wrong with those characters

 

[Chucked_Sandwich]

For all the Patreons out there. Just so we're clear, by the time he's done the next update. An update with no sexual content, in fact it's in a hair dresser, he's moved and had christmas and stuffed around, and make 20k.

So enjoy that.

 

[interested_guy]

sorry ..
I'm lost in all these comments..
anybody knows at what stage is the development of the next update ?
thx

 

[GagaAmber22]

 

[PaxHadrian17]

then can you give me another example with traditional mom son like awam.
Its hard to compare 2 games with different story wise
What makes AWAM special is its story and graphic. I do agree with you there are games on the forum reaching the same level at quality, but what about story?

AWAM gives you the option of pursuing a non-traditional Mother son relationship.

Here are a few others:

Lust Theory S1 (fully voiced) Ground Hog Day leads to Mother Son sex
No More Money - No Mothter Son sex yet (now in Early S3) but some great slow burn and more genuine relationship build up

Are they the equal of AWAM in all things - No.

They do tell a story from start to finish or tell a story that actually feels like it is moving in a definite direction and towards some kind of ending (and you get immersion from this, or at least there is enough for me to enjoy the immersion) - Yes.

Here is the reality - AWAM, especially after the first few PDs, has very good renders and a detailed story where Many different fetishes can be pursued.

L&P's added some animations:
* They take too long to create, based on what I see in other creators' work
* I don't trust L&P to be honest with us - and us includes paying supporters like me - because he has said repeatedly that the animations will not delay release of new revs and then they do
* He is still learning how to do animations and, even if the guy in the mirror is his animation creator, I give him credit for trying to add an important component to any good/great AVN out today

The problem is that AWAM is simply Too Ambitious and creating all of the paths for all of the different Sophia/Ellie/Dylan (and even Liam) desires takes a LONG time for a one-man shop.

L&P even admitted this early on, which is why there is no Liam cheating path early on when it looks like Sophia catches Liam with a younger woman in a women's clothing store (the younger woman is Liam's Bosses' youngest daughter).

There are very few AVNs out there that tell a great story, have top tier renders, animations, music, and sound, all while maintaining production speed and consistent production values. I think Summers Gone and Chasing Sunsets either has these or checks almost every box, but they don't have the Mother Son relationship you are looking for.

 

[LongoMcFap]

Kink shaming troll with an opinion. "Same same" you, having an opinion. But, isn't there a better forum to express them?

Kink shaming is kink shaming, no matter the opinion someone has, because the opinion doesn't matter, because he is shaming others because of their sexual kinks (even if it is "cloaked" in a question, but people with a certain degree of education will notice such linguistic nuances). Won't become better because of an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone got one. He could be a sexual therapist to make his opinion even more educated than ours normal peasants, it would be still kink shaming. That's not what I do.

But I don't want to discuss this anymore. Better someone tell me when I should check the thread again to see Ellie getting fucked. don't care who it is, just wanna see her getting fucked. 2026, 2027?

 

[Alley_Cat]

Kink shaming is kink shaming, no matter the opinion someone has, because the opinion doesn't matter, because he is shaming others because of their sexual kinks (even if it is "cloaked" in a question, but people with a certain degree of education will notice such linguistic nuances). Won't become better because of an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone got one. He could be a sexual therapist to make his opinion even more educated than ours normal peasants, it would be still kink shaming. That's not what I do.

But I don't want to discuss this anymore. Better someone tell me when I should check the thread again to see Ellie getting fucked. don't care who it is, just wanna see her getting fucked. 2026, 2027?

Probably the culmination of the Ellie route, around PD21. So more like 2036-37.

 

[Hotcoupleeasy]

AWAM gives you the option of pursuing a non-traditional Mother son relationship.

Here are a few others:

Lust Theory S1 (fully voiced) Ground Hog Day leads to Mother Son sex
No More Money - No Mothter Son sex yet (now in Early S3) but some great slow burn and more genuine relationship build up

Are they the equal of AWAM in all things - No.

They do tell a story from start to finish or tell a story that actually feels like it is moving in a definite direction and towards some kind of ending (and you get immersion from this, or at least there is enough for me to enjoy the immersion) - Yes.

Here is the reality - AWAM, especially after the first few PDs, has very good renders and a detailed story where Many different fetishes can be pursued.

L&P's added some animations:
* They take too long to create, based on what I see in other creators' work
* I don't trust L&P to be honest with us - and us includes paying supporters like me - because he has said repeatedly that the animations will not delay release of new revs and then they do
* He is still learning how to do animations and, even if the guy in the mirror is his animation creator, I give him credit for trying to add an important component to any good/great AVN out today

The problem is that AWAM is simply Too Ambitious and creating all of the paths for all of the different Sophia/Ellie/Dylan (and even Liam) desires takes a LONG time for a one-man shop.

L&P even admitted this early on, which is why there is no Liam cheating path early on when it looks like Sophia catches Liam with a younger woman in a women's clothing store (the younger woman is Liam's Bosses' youngest daughter).

There are very few AVNs out there that tell a great story, have top tier renders, animations, music, and sound, all while maintaining production speed and consistent production values. I think Summers Gone and Chasing Sunsets either has these or checks almost every box, but they don't have the Mother Son relationship you are looking for.

Nothing equal to AWAM. Other games are funny and a real joke. AWAM story and renders are so unique.

 

[McZoy]

Probably the culmination of the Ellie route, around PD21. So more like 2036-37.

Please stop giving us numbers

 

[McZoy]

^ This, pretty much.

Sure, AWAM has the potential to be complex with all the routes. But with L&P developing 1 PD in 2 years, this potential for complexity is turning into nothingness. There's people out there who aren't getting any content for AGES in their playthroughs due to the slow development. You're basically talking about a product we could have in 30 years, but currently most routes are not progressing at all, or at a pace where complexity is not the right word to describe it, imo. Just a bunch of dead-ends.

So yeah, the potential is there. But like Alley_Cat said, L&P is developing the game in a way where many routes fall completely flat due to the pace at which new updates come out. That, and the ridiculous size for a single scene which results in almost zero progress story-wise.

That, to me, is not real complexity. It's more of a waiting game for something that'll never see the end of it. But yeah, I should have worded it differently. I guess in a way you could say it's too complex even, which is the byproduct you mentioned. It all comes down to the slow development in the end, which is why this potential for complexity is going nowhere. It's an illusion. That's where L&P's statement is making me shake my head as he's simply dishonest with his supporters.

AWAM will be L&P heritage to his children. After the end of AWAM in 30 years from now, AWAM 2 will come.

 

[Good Cossutius]

Why do you want to see a dude fuck any woman? Is it fun, to watch others dudes fuck? Is it fun to watch a pre pubescent kid get laid with beautiful woman? This dylan-sam crap is still going on this thread. Wow, grown men like this stuff. That should tell you everything about what is wrong with the world.

Ellie-Sophia is the only good thing I see in this game. Best fictional couple ever. This is the way to go. Let's go.

What a moronic comment. You don't get to decide what will turn people on. I find that lesbian shit extremely boring but I don't think people who are turned on by it are "what's wrong with this world". What fucking entitlement. You're a fucking creep jerking off to incest porn like the rest of us and you think you can judge what's wrong with the world, lmao.