VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[XaGnard]

I totally understand where you're coming from, personally i like where the story is going between them, and the fact that Dylan is supposed to cruise past Sam in the evening event, tells me that she's been feeling something for Dylan but possibly quite a while now but never wanted to admit it because he is her baby boy after all, but after that hobo event where he stood tall and made sure Sophia was comfortable during that event, she just can't hide those feelings anymore, that's kinda how I see it.

Well, Sam hasn't come that far yet. If you look at it technically, they just kissed and had some light pedding were she did almost all the work herself (masturbated herfelf to orgasm). The whole thing just seems like much, because it took L&P years to get to this point.

I think the L&P post you recently shared gives a pretty good indication of what to expect:



"Yes, Dylan and Sophia can have a romantic relationship. But it will develop with time."

Based on that alone, I think it's going to take a lot more than just this one fight for Dylan to make some major steps forward. So, I think it will take some more game days (or decades of development ) before they really make serious progress. She may feel protected now and see unexpected strength in Dylan, but i do not think there is much more than that.


"The other way would be the cuck way, where Dylan will start to like to see his mom with other guys and will even try to create such situations."

Here I see far more potential. Although not yet in the current game day. If L&P is smart about this, he can create a lot of interesting twists and turns with this idea. I at least would like to see some more voyeurism in this game.

In general, I think it's a good idea not to expect too much for this game day. Especially since Sam hasn't really achieved much from a technical point of view. He was practically only a little bit more than just a spectator.

 

[|UserName|]

''Yes, Dylan and Sophia can have a romantic relationship. But it will develop with time."

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I think it starts at the evening event of Sophia-Dylan part 1 & 2, "it will develop with time" Last time I checked Sophia and Dylan are going to have quite a bit of events within the next couple of game days.

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[Alley_Cat]

Dylan is first and foremost their son. I don't see any romantic feelings that Sophia has for her son. It's still Dylan stalking his mother and crossing lines that are just embarrassing. (Exception is the photo event).
That a mother is proud of her son and also feels incredibly protected after Dylan knocks down one of the drunk men is normal and has nothing to do with romance. And looking someone deep in the eye is not necessarily an expression of romantic feelings either.
The difference from before is that Sophia feels comfortable with Dylan in a different way, because she increasingly notices that her son is changing, becoming more adult. He goes from being just a child to a son and a young adult that Sophia enjoys being with. But she still loves him only as her son. There is no trace of romance.
Where they see perhaps changed feelings, I see only a corrupted woman who finds it increasingly difficult to deal with their horniness. It is not the rise of Dylan, but the descent of Sophia that makes sexual interaction between the two possible. Not romance, but moral degeneration.
Dylan doesn't have to get better at all for sex, his mother accommodates him.
The switch Dr.Fapalot talks about is therefore not necessary at all. Sophia does not need to see Dylan differently at all.
But, and here is the stumbling block in my argument, this argument of Sophia's moral degeneration to this point only works in the context of all the events Sophia has participated in so far. If only the Dylan route is considered on its own, Sophia's corruption is not enough and we get the break/inconsistency in the Dylan/Sophia story that many complain about.

It's going to be telling on PD16 with the effects of the split with and without Aiden's tasks. As you say, there is no flipped switch needed for Dylan particularly if you choose for Sophia to continue the tasks, since her degeneracy and brokenness is what gives Dylan the chance. No romance needed either. But I see the tasks themselves are the driving force.

What happens if Sophia gets help from Morello is an entirely different matter.

 

[hzjujk]

It's going to be telling on PD16 with the effects of the split with and without Aiden's tasks. As you say, there is no flipped switch needed for Dylan particularly if you choose for Sophia to continue the tasks, since her degeneracy and brokenness is what gives Dylan the chance. No romance needed either. But I see the tasks themselves are the driving force.

What happens if Sophia gets help from Morello is an entirely different matter.

I can follow them, although I don't want to see Aiden's tasks as the driving force. But that has very personal reasons how I want to go my way in the game.

 

[DREWSKY+]

Reading the story's context up to this point would be best. At no moment before this scene did she express any feelings or thoughts that made her feel this way. There was no build-up to this point. It was nothing but "Sex-Ed." Now all of a sudden, after one fight with drinking hobos, She expresses interest in Dylan. L&P should have established a build-up point around the bikini event to show that she could have acknowledged that Dylan started making her feel different and was conflicted with her feelings toward Dylan.

If you compare some of the other stories, like Ellie and Sam, you can see a build-up; although it's quick, it has a sequence you can follow. At the same time, Dylan doesn't have that. So is Dylan going to catch up? Yes, but is it going to be a flip of the switch? This is highly likely because now, per L&P, there is a cool-down period that has to ramp back up again, and he can't build the story up anymore, So he will have to make it hot.

So it's not about her seeing him as a strong protector; her feelings about Dylan are changing. It's how Sophia arrived here with Dylan that is the issue. So that's my problem with the Sophia/Dylan story atm. Also, Dylan is supposed to cruise past Sam in the evening event.

l&p should get Sophia/Dylan out of that Sex-Ed as much as possible. Otherwise the Sophia/Dylan storyline will surely be an epic fail in the game. Dylan doesn't need Sex-Ed to progress with Sophia. we hope l&p get Sophia/Dylan out of that sex-ed stuff.

 

[|UserName|]

l&p should get Sophia/Dylan out of that Sex-Ed as much as possible. Otherwise the Sophia/Dylan storyline will surely be an epic fail in the game. we hope l&p get Sophia/Dylan out of that sex-ed stuff.

It might start as sex-ed but eventually the -ed will be removed

 

[Alley_Cat]

I can follow them, although I don't want to see Aiden's tasks as the driving force. But that has very personal reasons how I want to go my way in the game.

The way I see it is that if they weren't a driving force, there's little reason for them to be required for the Dylan route.

Same as how the driving force of the Ellie route is Sophia's sexual frustration - you have to skip all of the initial sex scenes with Liam in order to play the route. It's only once Sophia enjoys the kissing and groping from Ellie instead of Liam that the sex scene after he fixes the lock can be played.

 

[DREWSKY+]

It might start as sex-ed but eventually the -ed will be removed

Let's see next Sophia/Dylan events, we'll have to wait and see if L&p will continue the sex-ed thing or if Sophia/Dylan will come out of the sex-ed.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Dylan is first and foremost their son. I don't see any romantic feelings that Sophia has for her son. It's still Dylan stalking his mother and crossing lines that are just embarrassing. (Exception is the photo event).
That a mother is proud of her son and also feels incredibly protected after Dylan knocks down one of the drunk men is normal and has nothing to do with romance. And looking someone deep in the eye is not necessarily an expression of romantic feelings either.
The difference from before is that Sophia feels comfortable with Dylan in a different way, because she increasingly notices that her son is changing, becoming more adult. He goes from being just a child to a son and a young adult that Sophia enjoys being with. But she still loves him only as her son. There is no trace of romance.
Where they see perhaps changed feelings, I see only a corrupted woman who finds it increasingly difficult to deal with their horniness. It is not the rise of Dylan, but the descent of Sophia that makes sexual interaction between the two possible. Not romance, but moral degeneration.
Dylan doesn't have to get better at all for sex, his mother accommodates him.
The switch Dr.Fapalot talks about is therefore not necessary at all. Sophia does not need to see Dylan differently at all.
But, and here is the stumbling block in my argument, this argument of Sophia's moral degeneration to this point only works in the context of all the events Sophia has participated in so far. If only the Dylan route is considered on its own, Sophia's corruption is not enough and we get the break/inconsistency in the Dylan/Sophia story that many complain about.

What you just explained is the format L&P, IMO, intentionally had for the twist before and after its removal. Sophia/Dylan's story was tied into the others because the corruption would bend her will to allow Sophia and Dylan to have their moment eventually. But for some reason, I think he is trying to shift out of that format now from Sophia and Dylan's conversation before and after the hobo fight scene. The problem is the original story format from the beginning doesn't fit this new format. So Part of me wonders if he will change some of the dialog and some scenes to provide this new narrative in the Part I revamp he's doing.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

l&p should get Sophia/Dylan out of that Sex-Ed as much as possible. Otherwise the Sophia/Dylan storyline will surely be an epic fail in the game. Dylan doesn't need Sex-Ed to progress with Sophia. we hope l&p get Sophia/Dylan out of that sex-ed stuff.

Sex-Ed was a bad place to start in the first place. It is very challenging to jump out of that into a relationship feeling with M/S. I'm not a fan of Sex-Ed theme period.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Sex-Ed was a bad place to start in the first place. It is very challenging to jump out of that into a relationship feeling with M/S. I'm not a fan of Sex-Ed theme period.

As I see it the sex-ed theme works better if Dylan is pursuing Emma or Marie, or even Nathalie, as his love interest. It would actually be very interesting, and possibly quite funny/ironic, if Dylan was only getting sex-ed from his mom and wasn't really interested in it but Sophia did get attracted to Dylan through those events. That would be something different - desparate son want's mom's help learning sex is a classic trope if his real motivation is nookie with mommy, mommy is reluctant because she thinks her son is pursuing her. If his real motivation is with someone else then it creates a situation where Sophia wants to push things further with Dylan but he distances from her in favor of his true love interest. It would be interesting if he was the one that ended up thinking "Ew, gross. You're my mom."

As a side benefit, this adds a lot to Sophia's sexual frustration and might make her throwing herself at the next male with a pulse - postman, janitor, movers, whatever - even more plausible.
[edit] Maybe plausible is too strong a word...[/edit]
My opinion, that sounds better than what the sex-ed route is going to turn into.

 

[Bishop Robert]

As I see it the sex-ed theme works better if Dylan is pursuing Emma or Marie, or even Nathalie, as his love interest. It would actually be very interesting, and possibly quite funny/ironic, if Dylan was only getting sex-ed from his mom and wasn't really interested in it but Sophia did get attracted to Dylan through those events. That would be something different - desparate son want's mom's help learning sex is a classic trope if his real motivation is nookie with mommy, mommy is reluctant because she thinks her son is pursuing her. If his real motivation is with someone else then it creates a situation where Sophia wants to push things further with Dylan but he distances from her in favor of his true love interest. It would be interesting if he was the one that ended up thinking "Ew, gross. You're my mom."

As a side benefit, this adds a lot to Sophia's sexual frustration and might make her throwing herself at the next male with a pulse - postman, janitor, movers, whatever - even more plausible.
[edit] Maybe plausible is too strong a word...[/edit]
My opinion, that sounds better than what the sex-ed route is going to turn into.

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[PaxHadrian17]

What you just explained is the format L&P, IMO, intentionally had for the twist before and after its removal. Sophia/Dylan's story was tied into the others because the corruption would bend her will to allow Sophia and Dylan to have their moment eventually. But for some reason, I think he is trying to shift out of that format now from Sophia and Dylan's conversation before and after the hobo fight scene. The problem is the original story format from the beginning doesn't fit this new format. So Part of me wonders if he will change some of the dialog and some scenes to provide this new narrative in the Part I revamp he's doing.

I agree with you - he has written himself into a bit of a corner with the Sophia/Dylan relationship. The writing and story should give us, with both introspection (Sophia) and action (Sophia and Dylan) the ability to advance the relationship 'realistically.' It should be more difficult for Dylan to achieve some of what Sam did due to the fact that he is Sophia's son.

I don't see a way for Dylan to 'catch up' to Sam (regarding sexual progression) by the end of the PD.

It would be a shame if the below was what happens.

 

[neronxx]

the 0.180 update will definitely the most boring update

 

[tee31]

the 0.180 update will definitely the most boring update

I agree, a bunch of talking and just introducing her new hair style.

 

[Chucked_Sandwich]

Definitely not boring what with all the fabric touching going on.....

 

[Alley_Cat]

Definitely not boring what with all the fabric touching going on.....

Isn't this event about levelling up to hair touching?

 

[Apexpredator47]

Are we getting a sophia/julia storyline?

 

[Lord_Xanatos]

Progress Report Ver. 0.180

65% - 65%
0% - 0%

 

[lockerxx]

Are we getting a sophia/julia storyline?

No sorry.Julia is a love interest for Ellie.maybe a Sophie/Ellie/julia like the pool event buy only L&P knows.