armion82

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I play the game since 2019. Not new at all. And I love it like this because I hate stupid low quality games. I am convinced and satisfied that this is an erotic slowly building drama.
There is at least 10 better looking games than AWAM.And way more just better games.
Actually right now-the first 5-6 days of the game can't even pass as a medium quality game.
 

Bishop Robert

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Bishop Robert , you're wrong! The argument, you have no right, does not sound! People say that they do not understand those who do not pay and constantly discuss milking!
No, he didn't write it that way. He referred directly to the accusation of "milking". If I complain about "milking" as someone who has never supported the game, it's just ridiculous. The post wasn't saying that you can't express your opinion, it was just pointing out how "carelessly" some here share their opinion, forgetting that their point of view, in this case, is at least questionable and open to attack.
It is very on the line about "If you don't pay then you have no say".

Why? Take myself for example I have no interest in supporting L&P for the main reason of development time. Do I go about saying "milking"? I have before but really something I don't constantly say or have constantly said but regardless there are people who don't want to give him/her money because they feel like he/she is milking. Milking mostly ends up relating to the dislike of the development time but also how long it will even take to complete this game.

Do you really want to have an issue with the reasoning why people don't want to give support? It doesn't really make sense that someone has to give money at least once in order to then question things like "Given the current state of the pace with development time for updates, how does L&P view when he/she will likely be able to complete this game?"
 
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hzjujk

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It is very on the line about "If you don't pay then you have no say".

Why? Take myself for example I have no interest in supporting L&P for the main reason of development time. Do I go about saying "milking"? I have before but really something I don't constantly say or have constantly said but regardless there are people who don't want to give him/her money because they feel like he/she is milking. Milking mostly ends up relating to the dislike of the development time but also how long it will even take to complete this game.

Do you really want to have an issue with the reasoning why people don't want to give support? It doesn't really make sense that someone has to give money at least once in order to then question things like "Given the current state of the pace with development time for updates, how does L&P view when he/she will likely be able to complete this game?"
Did you even read my post? Or did you just react because your generalized post was rejected?
 

Bishop Robert

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Did you even read my post? Or did you just react because your generalized post was rejected?
Your post was about people who don't pay spouting "milking".

My response was regarding people who don't pay and spouting "milking" and a reason why people don't pay which is on the same level as to why people feel like he is milking.
 

GokutheG

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There is at least 10 better looking games than AWAM.And way more just better games.
Actually right now-the first 5-6 days of the game can't even pass as a medium quality game.
What are the 10 female protag games that you would say are better?
 
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none300

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I thought there was already a new picture of progress and there was about 10-15% work, but still an old one.
 

PaxHadrian17

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Each of us has a choice and it's wonderful. Of course, anyone can comment and has the right to criticize. You can talk about milking because you provided him with financial support.
But when only those who have never paid talk about milking, I personally think it is wrong.
This tends to be a bit of a lightning rod type issue.

Anyone on F95 can offer their opinion and I am inclined to at least consider it if they share their reasons behind their opinion.

I may still disagree, but at least we have a healthy discourse.

My occasional frustration comes from those who offer an opinion but refuse to address the reasons why others have a different opinion, or choose to ignore the opinions of others when the reason(s) for their opinion are well-stated.

With AWAM, and supporting with $, I see 3 groups: current supporters who are fine with what they are getting for their $; current supporters who are not fine with the current state of the development of AWAM but they hold out hope for a change; former supporters who have decided that AWAM is no longer worth supporting with their $ - for any number of reasons. I made the journey from the first group, through the second group and I am now in the third group, and I think L&P is milking his supporters.

** IF L&P actually finds a way to increase speed of development in a meaningful way (AWAM is, for example completed by 2030 - which means that would still take L&P more than 13 years to create AWAM and take it to completion - with the same or better quality renders/in game sound effects, animations/story), then I consider becoming a supporter again, but it is no longer automatic.

There might be 2 or 3 other creators who would win back/keep my support for an AVN creation cycle lasting more than a decade and there was a time when I would have included L&P in this company, but no more.

The reality of today:

I will not support a creator who I do not believe or believe in, and L&P has lost my trust with broken commitments - like the commitment to build a real team when he reaches a certain level of resourcing. The evidence of the growing effectiveness of this team would be in ** above.

For those who still believe in the promises of L&P, or you still hold out hope for change - I wish you luck.

I no longer see the promise of L&P/AWAM the way you do but you have every right to your choices/hopes.

Bane71, my personal litmus test is much like yours - I don't accuse of milking if I never had any skin in the game.

I focus less and less about whether or not someone else has/had skin in the game these days, but I respect your position.

My default, simply put - is their criticism well-founded and are their reasons stated so those interested can consider/discuss them?

I realize that there is the barest equivalent of "Robert's Rules of Orders' for a forum on F95, but this is my preference.


I would much rather discuss what I like/hope for on the Sophia hetero or lesbian paths and how Devon the Douche ruined a great opportunity for Sophia to move further along her lesbian exploration journey, courtesy of time with Claire.
 

Whitekink

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There is at least 10 better looking games than AWAM.And way more just better games.
Actually right now-the first 5-6 days of the game can't even pass as a medium quality game.
This is subjective and therefore can only be your opinion, but I will be interested in your ten choices.
 
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Bane71

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This tends to be a bit of a lightning rod type issue.

Anyone on F95 can offer their opinion and I am inclined to at least consider it if they share their reasons behind their opinion.

I may still disagree, but at least we have a healthy discourse.

My occasional frustration comes from those who offer an opinion but refuse to address the reasons why others have a different opinion, or choose to ignore the opinions of others when the reason(s) for their opinion are well-stated.

With AWAM, and supporting with $, I see 3 groups: current supporters who are fine with what they are getting for their $; current supporters who are not fine with the current state of the development of AWAM but they hold out hope for a change; former supporters who have decided that AWAM is no longer worth supporting with their $ - for any number of reasons. I made the journey from the first group, through the second group and I am now in the third group, and I think L&P is milking his supporters.

** IF L&P actually finds a way to increase speed of development in a meaningful way (AWAM is, for example completed by 2030 - which means that would still take L&P more than 13 years to create AWAM and take it to completion - with the same or better quality renders/in game sound effects, animations/story), then I consider becoming a supporter again, but it is no longer automatic.

There might be 2 or 3 other creators who would win back/keep my support for an AVN creation cycle lasting more than a decade and there was a time when I would have included L&P in this company, but no more.

The reality of today:

I will not support a creator who I do not believe or believe in, and L&P has lost my trust with broken commitments - like the commitment to build a real team when he reaches a certain level of resourcing. The evidence of the growing effectiveness of this team would be in ** above.

For those who still believe in the promises of L&P, or you still hold out hope for change - I wish you luck.

I no longer see the promise of L&P/AWAM the way you do but you have every right to your choices/hopes.

Bane71, my personal litmus test is much like yours - I don't accuse of milking if I never had any skin in the game.

I focus less and less about whether or not someone else has/had skin in the game these days, but I respect your position.

My default, simply put - is their criticism well-founded and are their reasons stated so those interested can consider/discuss them?

I realize that there is the barest equivalent of "Robert's Rules of Orders' for a forum on F95, but this is my preference.


I would much rather discuss what I like/hope for on the Sophia hetero or lesbian paths and how Devon the Douche ruined a great opportunity for Sophia to move further along her lesbian exploration journey, courtesy of time with Claire.
It's very nice to read comments like yours.
The most important part in it is where you talk about argumentation. I agree 100%! If a person expresses an opinion, or he hangs some kind of label, it is logical and correct to support his opinion with argumentation.
Unfortunately, usually for the most part, here on this forum thread many people do not bother to argue their opinion. That's what I don't like.
After all, we understand that calling a person a liar, a milker and a fraudster is much easier than supporting these accusations with arguments.
I really want to be understood.
I consider those who accuse and offend, but do not bother to make arguments, worse than L&P because despite all my claims against him, he has done a great job. And by the way, he still has a chance to speed up his work.
If he can do this, he will regain the good will of a large number of people. Since the army of those who stupidly accuse is not so significant, that is why they constantly repeat the same thing.

In any case, some breaking of copies does not make sense here, only time will tell how events will develop further.
And yet I like to discuss the game's plot and possible twists more than its creator.
 

neminem

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Someone spoke of animation/s for this next update. Any word on whether or not an animation percentage completion bar will be added to the existing suite of completion bars? thanks
 
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