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Jozef Minge

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All these people raging on about L&P being upset about leaked teasers is so funny. If it's not a big deal than why are so many people crying to see them?
The way I see it, he has a patreon tier that costs a lot of money and one of the benefits of that tier compare to lower ones is that you get access to those teasers. I'm guessing he thinks less people would want to have such a high tier if they have no benefits over anyone else, since we can all would have access to same stuff at the same time.
If you just think about that, without thinking about L&P in particular and his problematic release time, sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Would you guys prefer he creates some outside the game images just for higher tier patreons, that would just delay the game release?
I don't see a problem with the teasers not being released, they aren't really that much of an advertisement as you guys say. I don't think a single person would see one of these teasers and decide to become a patron because of it the same day. All the teasers could be released as an advertisement together with the latest version and I think it would have a better impact.
Consider this? Would you prefer to pay money for something that is coming some day, not sure when or would you prefer to pay money for something you know was just released. So the argument with the advertisement from teasers doesn't really stand.

I write all this, not to defend L&P as an individual as I could care less about him. I write it because the mentality here seemed so toxic and flawed to me.
The best way someone can express their satisfaction or dissatisfaction with a content creator of any sort is with their money. You like it enough you buy, you don't you either skip it or pirate it.
His behavior is rude! When you want something, then ask nicely. If someone respects you, then he will fulfill your request.
Imagine this - you are his supporter from the beggining of the game until now. And you are pay for this 35-36 dollars per month (excl. VAT). Six years, 72 months... And he forbids you and ban you, if you not doing what he said?!!! WTF....
 

ihl86

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His behavior is rude! When you want something, then ask nicely. If someone respects you, then he will fulfill your request.
Imagine this - you are his supporter from the beggining of the game until now. And you are pay for this 35-36 dollars per month (excl. VAT). Six years, 72 months... And he forbids you and ban you, if you not doing what he said?!!! WTF....
I agree that some of his language is a bit overboard with the rats and everything. A content creator insulting anybody, yet alone a subscriber seems out of this world.


he just need to provide sponsors with a special image, not a teaser.


And the sponsor average for this game is $3

He would be very hard without this forum

He should not try to find a way to stop publicity.
He should try to find a way to publicity.

One of those ways is a teaser.
I would prefer he didn't do that. It would just increase the already high development time. If he views his teasers as rewards for high tier patrons and not publicity it's his prerogative.

The 3$ average makes sense to me. As you get the game even for the 1$ tier, I don't see why anyone would pay more, considering his development speed.
 

Jozef Minge

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Not to be pedantic, it's worth noting that many services operate in this manner. Regardless of how long you've been a subscriber or any other factors, the service provider holds all the power. Ultimately, it's up to you as a patron whether you want to continue supporting the creator or not. Patreon is simply a means for you to support the creator; it's not a legally binding agreement that guarantees you'll receive anything specific. This applies not just to LP, but to anyone offering services through Patreon – the power dynamics remain largely in the hands of the service provider.

Apologise to the mods if this is off-topic.
No, it is not up to me! It's up to me how I use my benefits of support this creator, but if I want to share the teaser and then get a ban, then where is my decision? I am supporting StopeArt, but he never forbade me.
In this case L&P must say - for 50 dollars you will recieved this, that and several prohibitions. And if you don't want to be a good boy - ban! WTF again....!!!???
 

tofhdns

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Not to be pedantic, it's worth noting that many services operate in this manner. Regardless of how long you've been a subscriber or any other factors, the service provider holds all the power. Ultimately, it's up to you as a patron whether you want to continue supporting the creator or not. Patreon is simply a means for you to support the creator; it's not a legally binding agreement that guarantees you'll receive anything specific. This applies not just to LP, but to anyone offering services through Patreon – the power dynamics remain largely in the hands of the service provider.

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A promise is a promise, even if it is not legally binding.

We see numerous types of sponsorships

From hospital treatment costs to neighbors in need
Get college funding

When they are caught lying, they apologize to their sponsors, delete their channels and close their accounts.

It is fraudulent to say that developers do not have to keep the service they promised to provide to their sponsors.

And although I do not know Partron's policy, sponsorship funds that exceed a certain level are legally binding.

How would you feel if someone told you that you paid for food but they would not serve it?

Companies that sell subscription services, if than don't provide a subscription services, consumers get refunds. any company
 
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tofhdns

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I would prefer he didn't do that. It would just increase the already high development time. If he views his teasers as rewards for high tier patrons and not publicity it's his prerogative.

The 3$ average makes sense to me. As you get the game even for the 1$ tier, I don't see why anyone would pay more, considering his development speed.
You said there would be many high level sponsors.

And what idiot would consider a teaser a privilege?

Don't know what a teaser is?

Or do you not know what privilege is?
 

ihl86

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A promise is a promise, even if it is not legally binding.

We see numerous types of sponsorships

From hospital treatment costs to neighbors in need
Get college funding

When they are caught lying, they apologize to their sponsors, delete their channels and close their accounts.

It is fraudulent to say that developers do not have to keep the service they promised to provide to their sponsors.

And although I do not know Partron's policy, sponsorship funds that exceed a certain level are legally binding.

How would you feel if someone told you that you paid for food but they would not serve it?

Companies that sell subscription services, if than don't provide a subscription services, consumers get refunds. any company
I didn't read the ToS for Patreon but I imagine that you get whatever rewards your tier includes as long as you pay/are subscribed. If L&P would decide to block/ban (I have no idea how that is accomplished) someone, that would mean that they would not receive further money for them and, as soon as the period for which they already payed expires, they would loose all access. I think he could also refund the money for the last payment period and deny access immediately, again, it really depends on the ToS.
I don't know what promises L&P made that would bind him, unlike a contract with a service provider where the service in question is extremely well defined in the contract.


And what idiot would consider a teaser a privilege?

  • Access to the most exclusive teasers and animation previews 2 days after 1st release

This is taken from his patreon page for 30$ tier. It's clear that he considers this one of the attractions of that tier.
Anyone can do what they want with their money, if they consider whatever the perks of the 30$ tier (including the teasers) are worth the extra bucks, it's their right.

Don't know what a teaser is?
It's clear that for L&P teasers serve a different purpose, as can be seen above, they are "exclusive" and meant as a reward.

Or do you not know what privilege is?
I think you don't know what privilege means.
Let me help you with the definition:
"a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group."

I would say the 30$ tier is a particular group and the teasers are an advantage that they would get, compared to other people that don't. If you don't think that is an advantage, why are so many people so desperate to see them as soon as they appear?


Again, I am not defending L&P in particular nor do I condone his way of doing things. This is just something that applies to any and every content creator out there.
 
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Radoslaw Wolf

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Plot twist: The rat here is LP himself.
He faked one to create an emotional tension to have an plausible excuse for delaying the update. Then, he has the right to increase the tier required for the teaser. More time more money.
One stone kills 2 birds
I'm not gonna lie, it came across my mind too. Even if not leaking directly, he knows it's inevitable based on literally every instance. No normal person would consume their energy on such nonsense - unless.. it's on purpose?

Edit: also, he's not normal.
 
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