Alley_Cat

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How do you know that the "twist" had a decisive role in the game? I ask this because L&P himself wrote that it was not important for the Dylan/Sophia path.
As I understand it, or interpreting this statement, he didn't have a reasonable resolution for this "twist" within the game, L&P just believed that this betrayal of Dylan would "fade away" in the course of the game.
If you have other, better information, please share it.
My understanding is that L&P's statement that removing the Twist wouldn't really affect the plot was really just an excuse and shouldn't be believed. Much like the recent discussions about how we shouldn't believe his claims about creating a game with realism or class.

The addition of minigames, and how haphazard the dialogue is now (just based on my observations of the comments here) shows that he's changed the fundamental nature of the route, going from sex ed and corruption to this "romance" route. That L&P has gone from his original story of corrupting Sophia until she's broken, to actively engaging the M/S fans and doubling down with Dylan as a 2nd MC, even though originally Liam was the 2nd MC.
 

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I didn’t say I have information about the Twist. I just understand from the discussions here that it should have been a big thing. Anyway, the story is slowing down or is going at a slow pace because:
- LP has a tendency to put too many details in the updates
- LP has created more than necessary routes
And since he has already written the script he needs to go through it and reshape it.
For me the reasons why the development of the story is slower and slower:
- after 6 years L&P is burnt out,
- he didn't manage to professionalize his work,
- because he might already be working on the Steam version for profit optimization.
L&P himself wrote that he realized late that the development of the game will not be a sprint but a marathon. At the latest then he should have worked on distributing the development to several people. I don't question that he tried this, but how seriously he tried this.
(I know that this is not easy, there were also contributions from other developers (e.g. Oceanlab)).
For me, the attention to detail and also the many ways the appeal of the game and are not the reasons for the foreseeable failure of the game.
For the above reasons, the proposals are this all to steam are only the attempt to an already almost dead horse insert a gold tooth.
 

hzjujk

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My understanding is that L&P's statement that removing the Twist wouldn't really affect the plot was really just an excuse and shouldn't be believed. Much like the recent discussions about how we shouldn't believe his claims about creating a game with realism or class.

The addition of minigames, and how haphazard the dialogue is now (just based on my observations of the comments here) shows that he's changed the fundamental nature of the route, going from sex ed and corruption to this "romance" route. That L&P has gone from his original story of corrupting Sophia until she's broken, to actively engaging the M/S fans and doubling down with Dylan as a 2nd MC, even though originally Liam was the 2nd MC.
Possibly this was an excuse, but it's the only comment I know of from L&P on this. That it is a lie is only your guess at the moment.
But that's the frustrating thing about L&P's comments anyway, they remain ambiguous and you always get only a piece of information.
When exchanging information with L&P I always have the feeling that he is more interested in stalling the discussion.
 

kewlbigdan

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I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of current copyright law (in the US, at least) is that L&P doesn't have to formally submit any copyright documentation to have legal protection over his IP, such that any of this is his IP. The average developer is unlikely to take any legal action--in part because it would cost more than it would be worth and it would publicly reveal the dev's identity--but that doesn't mean people could outright steal AWAM and not be violating L&P's copyright. In a legal challenge, L&P would simply have to prove that he created AWAM and then demonstrate that someone else was ripping off his IP.
You are quite right. This falls under intellectual copywrite laws much as any artistically creation. The copywrite owner just need to prove that at some point you viewed his work.
But this is a very broad and open legal statute and unless the owner is making millions or you are, it is often placed under the fair use clause.
Not a lawyer either but we have a few on staff to stop our designers from infringing on copy protected works.
 

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Dude, just hit up with those fan made games of AWAM. One thing common with all those fan made is the quality of renders especially of Sophia. None of those look like the one from the game but more like a rundown version of her. So if u can create that then just join hands with Pixil or interbladecard and go for it. I will fkin become your high tier patron.
The fact he has better hardware doesn't mean the renders will look better. They will only be rendered faster. If you want better looking renders you have to put more effort and knowledge within the scene creation process.
 

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Dude, just hit up with those fan made games of AWAM. One thing common with all those fan made is the quality of renders especially of Sophia. None of those look like the one from the game but more like a rundown version of her. So if u can create that then just join hands with Pixil or interbladecard and go for it. I will fkin become your high tier patron.
A powerful rig alone isn't what's making L&P's renders look high quality. It's the scene creation itself using very specific settings/lighting + postwork (photoshop) that makes his renders stand out. The hardware used determines how long it takes to render high-res images for the most part, but hasn't that much of an impact on the quality. You can basically create the same quality of art using a 1080ti instead of a 4090, but render times are much longer and you're running out of memory quicker, meaning your renders can't be as crowded, for example.

Edit: roro was faster. :(
 

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You are quite right. This falls under intellectual copywrite laws much as any artistically creation. The copywrite owner just need to prove that at some point you viewed his work.
But this is a very broad and open legal statute and unless the owner is making millions or you are, it is often placed under the fair use clause.
Not a lawyer either but we have a few on staff to stop our designers from infringing on copy protected works.
I work in the media, so have some exposure to this stuff myself. Fair use is generally limited to parody/satire, educational purposes, and news coverage. But as you say, unless there's a lot of money being made, there's not much point getting lawyers involved.
 
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Abserd Spud

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No movement on the progress bar. Its not a bug. This has been pretty typical as we get closer to Patreon rebill day, progress slows down.

I, being the cynic that I am, have never put much faith in the progress bar. I think of it as more of a countdown when LP intends to release. Not really reflective of the progression of the game. It could be further along, or way behind 85/80%.

I suspect the 1st wk in August it will be released. If it isnt it will be the first week in September.
 
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I am critical of this developer.

But when I criticize a developer, I base my criticism on his words and the games he makes.

We never know if he will win the lottery, if he will change his development plan or if he will change his mind.

1. There is no evidence, and no reason, that a new plot will emerge after the Dylan story. till now.

2. So far neither Sophia nor Sam has any reason to involve anyone else in their relationship.

3. So far, only Liam, Dylan, Sam, and Natalie are likely to have sex with Sophia, and only Aiden's gang is likely to be added.

4. And I think the only story in this game without holes in plausibility is the story of Sam and Sophia.
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I am critical of this developer.

But when I criticize a developer, I base my criticism on his words and the games he makes.

We never know if he will win the lottery, if he will change his development plan or if he will change his mind.

1. There is no evidence, and no reason, that a new plot will emerge after the Dylan story. till now.
Well--maybe... I can see a Dylan & Ellie opening. Which might bring Sophia into the middle of it. Of course, Patricia did flirt with Dylan in the Yoga event-- Sooooo... ??? who knows
2. So far neither Sophia nor Sam has any reason to involve anyone else in their relationship.
Your correct there and I don't think anyone else would be included, unless they get caught
3. So far, only Liam, Dylan, Sam, and Natalie are likely to have sex with Sophia, and only Aiden's gang is likely to be added.
There I wouldn't bet the farm at all. I really don't see the movers reentering the story but everything else is in play. Going back to the college boys...it's an opening for a Patricia rout. Natalie I think is a 'tool' to get Sophia to try it...or maybe once Sophia does now swing both ways, it's an event and maybe pushes a Sophia/Ellie combo
4. And I think the only story in this game without holes in plausibility is the story of Sam and Sophia. I see your point and I have to agree mostly. The sex-ed of Dylan in the tub and the need to "educate" yah pretty lame. Sex-ed with the Myers, would be better if Sophia is just Dirty and doesn't need to excuse her behavior. But as far as H-games go, this game leans way more into plausibility then most by a long mile.

The real thing is we don't know where the dev will take things. Hell we both could get surprised. Its why I hated watching most of the early CSI shows because most times I figured out the story, the how's and the who's halfway through the show :(
 
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ancienregimele

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alright, so I like to inject some questions into this thread and change the usual convos you see in here for a bit.

Let's say hypothetically speaking, you somehow end up with the complete IP rights to AWAM, you have everything, all the 3d assets, Ren'py files and written scripts you need to continue AWAM yourself.

What are the first few things you do?
An intriguing prospect & hypothetically possible, via winning the lottery & buying L&P out, for a fair price of course. There are 2 diametrically opposed ways to look at it. An individual could either take the stories down the route they wanted, by acting as creative advisor, to the highly skilled & motivated under contract team they'd recruited, or they could carry on as at present & attempt to deliver the product that L&P appears to believe the core fans want, which perhaps they do. Either way, the contracts would be drafted to a standard commensurate with current business practice, including stipulations on timely delivery.

I'd rewrite the mission statement to reaffirm a commitment to realism & class. I'd also include a phrase to the effect that so-called "porn logic," (whatever that is), would not generally apply to this game, as being contrary to the stated commitments. Any idea of 30 PDs, or a specific time limit would have to go but there'd be no question of AWAM lasting another 40 years. There'd be no more polls. There'd be no "2nd MC." Sophia's breasts would return to the size 36D, that they were for the first 3 or so years, i.e. no more beachball breast syndrome. Both side jobs would disappear at the start of the "under new management" regime. There'd be fewer virgins & no teen prodigies. Talented yes, genius no. Dylan & Sam would both have girlfriends, as befitted their lives as handsome, single young bachelors. Ellie would be a normal teenager, with all the hang-ups & opportunities that go with that status. She'd still have occasional bitchiness but wouldn't make a hobby out of it concerning Dylan.

AWAM's early days would be re-written to eliminate any & all references to Sophia's nun-like behaviour. She'd have the attitudes of a 'normal' upper middle class suburban wife, mother & professional woman. One scene would be deleted entirely, namely the drive across town to take a shower, having already had a bath, i.e. no more cleanliness OCD.

Apart from the side job characters being written out no-one else would be but several would slip seamlessly into the background & have no further sexualised roles to play, e.g. Mr. Murray. All adjustments would be made in order to streamline & simplify the various routes & sub branches. Some would go, or be merged. There'd be no more duplication of cast characteristics or kinks. It would take too long to list all the changes that would require.

If the decision was made to continue as at present, albeit with frequent updates, I will simply outline the final scenario as a possible concluding vignette. Sophia relaxes in a fairly well-appointed beach house, which she was able to afford after the divorce settlement. It's no more than a couple of hundred miles from San Alejo, with great views over the Pacific Ocean, so that Ellie & Patricia can be visited, or come to stay regularly. She may have had between a quarter & a half of her head shaved with geometric patterns included, in an effort to look younger & please her partner Dylan. She's naked & normally her pierced nipples would carry rings or bars, sometimes matching the stud through her tongue & the jewels through her navel. Her breasts are now of an indeterminate size but resemble medicine balls, after her new friends & colleagues convinced her that nature needed expansion. Many of the old codgers at the run down care home where she works love to have them thrust in their faces.

She's tattooed along her arms, with one full sleeve, which includes life-like portraits of Dylan. Her landing strip has gone to make visible a red heart & the words, "Property of Dylan." As I say, usually she has jewellery in her nipples but currently she's pregnant with her son's child & she still thinks highly of hygiene. As for the lad himself, he snuggles into the warmth, comfort & softness of his mother's huge breasts. He doesn't need to work & exists on his father's money but he is fully appreciative that all of his wildest fantasies have been realised. He's even the MC of his own game.
 
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I work in the media, so have some exposure to this stuff myself. Fair use is generally limited to parody/satire, educational purposes, and news coverage. But as you say, unless there's a lot of money being made, there's not much point getting lawyers involved.
The thought of it is funny tho. A porn game developer who is using BIG copyrighted brands (names, logos, products, movies) throughout his game going after someone over copyright claims. Let alone incest and sexual content involving minors. That lawsuit would be more hilarious than Depp vs Heard.
 
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