VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[Couto25]

Because thats her fetish? The same thing as some of us have, for example for milfs, incest and so on.

Plus if you imagine this in real life. If she jerked off to men her age right at work, it would definitely have a negative impact on her work itself. Rumors, gossip, bullying. In addition to this, there would definitely be a man for whom this would not be enough, and then she herself would be sexually harassed and most likely fucked.

there were several times when she was with her hubby friend drunk and didnt allowed him to take advantage not upto handjob. she went on the date with a teacher for bullying case than also she didnt gave her handjob, just giving him her panties..bar guys where she went with patricia but didnt gave him handjob even after being drunk ....but tutoring kids lol 3rd day handjob. Lol. to me it's like more of a fetish of LP with sophia.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

I should have found this game after pd 15

After PD19… but this is 10 years from now and I will be a grandpa… so no time for AWAM, focus will be elsewhere.

 

[ancienregimele]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

I have to disagree. There's Mr. Murray for the Summer/Winter age fetish, (he can always bring a friend for the 2 old men's potential spit roast event) & there's around 20 teenagers to provide "shota lite" activity. Those kids in the 2nd side job are just that ...kids. Both jobs could go without any major impact on the game. We know that the 2nd side job is included because it's the Dev's favourite fetish.

I completely agree, however, that giving Dylan his first HJ was totally unrealistic, before Sophia had done this with anyone else outside of marriage. L&P no longer cares about believability. That whole night club event was an exercise in schoolboy & M/S fan wish fulfilment, as the pair paraded their incestuous relationship in public. They went out of their way to draw attention to themselves. This is not what happens in cases of RL incest, unless the participants have some weird agenda. "Realism & class," (the Dev's words), were removed years ago. 'Dylan fans must be prioritised' is the only yardstick to which L&P adheres these days, because Dylan is the real MC & can do anything.

Now, throughout AWAM we have 'porn logic,' signifying no logic at all. This even extended to Dylan threatening 2 fit clubbers on his first visit to a nightclub, while he remained seated. He has had a martial arts lesson, of course. So, in RL he could well have been tipped off the floor he was on, because in RL you don't threaten anyone while sitting down, especially if there's more than one. That is, unless you're the Godfather, or maybe Hans Stavro Blofeldt + his cat.

Sophia's noticeable regression to the mindset of a 15 year old has taken away the standard barriers to further random events. She won't think very hard about consequences, especially if a teen recites a string of oily complements like a ticker tape machine. Even 15 year old girls wouldn't be particularly impressed by such transparency but the reason it works for Sam & Dylan is again, porn logic. She's supposed to be so corrupted, she's become a different person, which she has, both mentally & physically, along with Dylan of course.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

I really want to be bitchy, but I'm going to try and be an adult.

The vast majority of people who are left in this thread are not here looking for a quick fuck. Everyone understands the slow burn natures of this game. But that slow burn has gotten out of control. I don't think you'll get much argument here that the side jobs aren't important. I think the second side job is gross as hell and broke the game, but that's a different conversation. The argument, instead, is that something has to give. We're on pace for a 30 year development cycle. That means that the game is never going to advance in a meaningful way unless cuts are made. Painful cuts. The low hanging fruit like Bennett's storyline have already been cut. Now we need to start getting into more painful cuts because they impact development time to a higher degree. Would it have made more sense to build up to Dylan slowly? Yeah, for sure. But that would require focusing on side characters that no one cares about because he hasn't done a good job of developing them. No one wants to play 2 or 3 updates a year that focus on characters that we haven't seen in 2 years.

But really, nothing is going to matter until L&P starts producing a new update every 4 to 6 weeks. Until he can start pumping out updates at a reasonable rate, there's no chance that this game is completed in the way he originally envisioned.

 

[Couto25]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

Well well well, if there's a whole development team than can manage to provide timely update even after side story, it can be acceptable. Tease is important to set the scenario on sexual attraction or corruption path, everyone understands it. But if corruption path is slow like a snail where LP show handjob after 6 years than it's bullshit. And that too to handjob to kids. Sophia got corrupted with many other characters but the main story got diverted so much that characters those who corrupted Sophia , they're not taking advantage of her corruption but kids who don't even corrupt Sophia, they're getting handjob.
And again just saying if lots of people think that way than they are probably correct, yea 10% of people might think that continue with side story and tease for 10 more years. But if 90% of people are thinking than there's seriously something wrong with the game. Don't you think that? If 90% of people doesn't agree with your opinion, you might be wrong? Only Sam story is believable, rest Dylan and tutoring kids handjob story before getting corrupted by other characters are unbelievable.

 

[abram1]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

Dude, duuude, a lot of us are hoping this VN to be finished and not abandoned one day, that's a tid bit different from what you've implied after having read my post.

And, please, don't mention anything about some kind of a "bigger picture", MC's corruption etc. We're in a 7th year development of AWAM already, that's preposterous compared to anything you'll find on F95. I'll tell you more. If the Dev himself finally realised that something has to be done, that his VN walking on a slippery slope and stagnating, having an unimagable potential, he gotta start chopping off his own creation in order to complete it someday.

Final thought. Realism. You gotta be fucking kidding me. None of those VN's out here has nothing to do with reality. All of them fulfilling sundry fetishes/sultry desires of their devs/audience. Believability of AWAM had been thrown out of the window long time ago. For some with everchanging Sophia's titties, for others - with introducing religious family. All of us has it's own gripe with this VN. Getting rid of the most irrelevant storylines is the first sign of L&P taking drastic measures to course correct his own Titanic.

 

[DarkShadow29]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

I was here for porn game with story. Not for extended emotional sexless drama crap I can say that's all. This game has only crap, even if I go out in a nude beach, I get to see more boobs than Sophia has showed in last 5 years lol.
I don't think that this game should be categorised as adult VN until it introduce some sex scene..I am enjoying so many different games rather than this and I have - (negative) 200 expectations from LP on the upcoming update. And I am 500 % sure that the upcoming update will disappoint Sophia's fans. Even if Dylan have sex with all 4 girls of the party , the upcoming update will be a disappointment. Because personally, I don't even count Dylan as an MC.

 

[moovigym]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

Yeah.. when we value and make assessments, our own criteria can be different.
But it should not be forgotten that this problem stems from L&P's plan and speed of development.
If L&P develops every single side story as planned on its own, how long will we wait until the end of this game?
Eventually, it became a physical problem of time and space, not an individual's likes or dislikes

 

[Deleted member 5533454]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

Most people just want regular updates and nothing else. Story progression is going to be great in some updates and trash in others. We can live with that, just give us regular updates. For how short his updates are, he needs to give an update every 1-1.5 months but he gives 3 updates a year which is abysmal to say the least. With regular updates, you'll get your gradual corruption and others will get to see Sophia getting fucked eventually in a little bit of time. What instead is happening is that his inconsistency ensures that 2nd group don't get nothing. With the kind of speed he is going, rest assured, Sophia is never gonna get it done atleast not in our lifetimes. So the frustration is just something natural.

 

[ancienregimele]

Dude, duuude, a lot of us are hoping this VN to be finished and not abandoned one day, that's a tid bit different from what you've implied after having read my post.

And, please, don't mention anything about some kind of a "bigger picture", MC's corruption etc. We're in a 7th year development of AWAM already, that's preposterous compared to anything you'll find on F95. I'll tell you more. If the Dev himself finally realised that something has to be done, that his VN walking on a slippery slope and stagnating, having an unimagable potential, he gotta start chopping off his own creation in order to complete it someday.

Final thought. Realism. You gotta be fucking kidding me. None of those VN's out here has nothing to do with reality. All of them fulfilling sundry fetishes/sultry desires of their devs/audience. Believability of AWAM had been thrown out of the window long time ago. For some with everchanging Sophia's titties, for others - with introducing religious family. All of us has it's own gripe with this VN. Getting rid of the most irrelevant storylines is the first sign of L&P taking drastic measures to course correct his own Titanic.

You're correct in saying that realism, such as it was, has gone, so has the class, with the helium-expanded breasts referred to as "milk jugs" & many other 12 year old schoolboy names. Was that meant to be how Dylan thought of the woman he supposedly loves so much he doesn't care about his actions, or their consequences, as long as he fucks her, or was it just horrible writing in a style the Dev considers will be popular with young fans? Erotica it is not. Pre-pubescent porn, (a 'race' between Dylan & Sam, WTF?), is now the Dev's preferred way forward, albeit slower than before.

Has it caused a speed up, or is AWAM bogged down in what in reality is a sequel with no name change, or 'What Dylan Did Next?' AFAICT these developments must have improved the game for the obvious target audience but possibly not for many others & it's not 'faster.' If events like a son's HJ, complete with direction-finding sperm are to become the norm, because of 'porn logic' then AWAM is no more than a parody, or IMO a travesty, of what it was originally, (& still is), described as in the mission statement.

There must not be a market for a game about a beautiful, mature, accomplished career woman's corruption, delivered with realism & class. What other explanation makes any sense, unless the Dev has decided to deconstruct his own creation, because, "it's his game & he can do what he likes."

I read a blurb 5 years ago & believed it. There was no reason not to, at the time. I should have inwardly translated it into, 'this is the story of a son & brother, a virgin schoolboy but with latent super powers who overnight becomes a martial arts expert, a night club king & like many other 3D game boys has the desire to fuck all the women in his family. See him exercise his ability to bend his 38 year old well-educated mother to his incest-fuelled will & turn her back into a schoolgirl. Wait for only 5 years & watch him go.'

When will some talented renderer develop the ambition to create the adult VN AWAM used to be & do a good job? Probably never.

 

[rAmSiMaL]

A few thoughts about AWAM

AWAM’s storyline spans over 37 game days. It is realistically impossible for a woman with Sophia’s background to get corrupted to the level LP intends to bring her. It requires months and for some types of corruption even years.

The m/s incest route has gone crazy and it has gone through a totally unrealistic path. A shy boy who doesn’t have a clue on how to approach a woman all of a sudden becomes a macho Don Juan… In order to make this story believable LP should have followed a different path. Initially Sophia becomes Dylan’s life coach. So their story line includes a lot of dialogue and not that many renders. Dylan gradually becomes a successful soccer player and with that success come the girls. He learns self defence and becomes more confident about himself. All this storyline is developed in the background, so no renders required, only a few storylines. Sophia notices her son’s development and becomes a proud mom! Dylan at the early stage of Sophia’s coaching confessed that he had a crush on her and from time to time shows his affection with a kiss, a romantic dinner or a compliment. Sophia sees her boy’s development and gradually falls in love with him… She knows he used to have a crush on her. She sees him growing and becoming confident and independent and she likes all of it. In this way you have a fully developed storyline without much of an effort…

The lack of sex scenes has made the followers of this game go crazy… Sophia remembering her first time was a nice insert. It could stay as part of Dylan’s coaching with a different narrative though… she could describe it to Dylan with less details and remember the moments with real time conversations. Furthermore, she doesn’t want to destroy her family so LP could focus more on ONS. A colleague for whom all the schoolgirls have a crush (Mr. Bennett) comes closer to her and as an expert Don Juan seduces her to an ONS. No repercussions since he goes to his next conquest and she fulfils her temporary need. Also her husband’s loss at the casino brings Sophia & Don Morello closer… none of the two is interested in a long term relationship and so they have one or more fucks… Since Don Morello is not part of Sophia’s life will soon be forgotten! Sam’s romantic feelings could build up a serious relationship. They could have had more than one interaction together and gradually come closer and closer… LP can keep Aidan’s blackmail and include a few escape routes which will conclude to sex with Sophia. They are all mutually exclusive to make them as realistic as possible. If none of the escape routes is chosen then you have the ultimate task which could be something sexually extreme. I’m not speaking about lesbian events because they have a fairly better development…

Event base development is a total disaster… Some stories could be developed in the background with very few renders and more narrative which reduces significantly the production time.

LP could consult people from f95 forums. I understand this is a pirate base but at the same time it serves as an advertisement platform for the game and many patrons have joined LP’s “Patreon army” because of this platform’s existence…

Finally LP could create an exclusive forum for all patrons of the top 2 tiers where he could share ideas about the game’s development.

 

[TomUK]

Most of the corruption would be more believable if the two thugs in the subway were actually allowed to rape her, and even though she's raped, it excited her, an excitement that sex with hubby doesn't give her, so she could try these other routes to try and find that excitement again, with Dylan the excitement comes with him being her son and totally taboo, with Sam that he is the son of her next door neighbours, with the Janitor because of his Big Black Cock. I mean we already sort of get it with her tasks from Aiden, they are humiliating for her but they also excite her.

 

[Radoslaw Wolf]

But really, nothing is going to matter until L&P starts producing a new update every 4 to 6 weeks. Until he can start pumping out updates at a reasonable rate, there's no chance that this game is completed in the way he originally envisioned.

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[Radoslaw Wolf]

We're on pace for a 30 year development cycle. That means that the game is never going to advance in a meaningful way unless cuts are made. Painful cuts.

Spot on post, as always. One tiny detail I'd correct or perhaps clarify: even if the cuts are made, we're not looking at any sort of improvement of delivery time but rather at potential mitigation of its further deterioration.
(Of course, only if we believe the whole thing is for real and not just deliberately orchestrated continuous push to monetize the manhours more).

 

[capt ackerman]

Most of the corruption would be more believable if the two thugs in the subway were actually allowed to rape her, and even though she's raped, it excited her, an excitement that

bro that ain't corruption thats just straight up slut.

 

[菊花献给党]

Clearly, just disclosing the approximate plot of the work can solve all problems

 

[XaGnard]

Lots of you think that the side stories are unimportant but you are wrong, they are important. I understand that a lot of you just want to see Sophia start fucking and I get it, but you need to think of the big picture and of Sophia's gradual corruption. If Sophia was a real person, in real life, would she find it easier to have sex or engage in sexual activity with someone that she will continue to see as part of her life or would it be easier to engage in sexual activity with someone that she will never see again and won't have to worry about ruining her life? Side characters are like a gateway drug to harder things. Personally, I think that the Dylan hand job was a big mistake by the developer. It's just too unbelievable. A mom giving her own son a hand job? The Dev should have focused that first step on a side job or side character first before pushing the i*cest boundary. For example, it's much more believable that Sophia would have stroked off the old gents in the nursing home before Dylan. It adds to her corruption. In life there are consequences and the reason people cheat or experiment when they have husbands or families is that they won't get caught. Sophia should be doing these things on the side first before cheating with characters who are central to her life. It would make the story more believable IMHO.

Of course, the curruption is an important part of the game, but that doesn't mean that it has to happen in so many side stories. Especially the side jobs are completely unnecessary, and I also think if L&P would focus on one villain (and take Aiden out of the game), it wouldn't really be a problem. I think it's time for some here to accept that this game is about Sophia and her role as "A Wife and Mother". This is something worth focusing on in order to really be able to see this story completed.

Also, I think, who seriously thing that after so many years of development, a handjob is still too early, he really did not understand. At some point the action has to start and that AWAM has finally arrived in the mid game is something that I celebrate and hopefully continues.

 

[el diablo rojo]

Dude, duuude, a lot of us are hoping this VN to be finished and not abandoned one day, that's a tid bit different from what you've implied after having read my post.

And, please, don't mention anything about some kind of a "bigger picture", MC's corruption etc. We're in a 7th year development of AWAM already, that's preposterous compared to anything you'll find on F95. I'll tell you more. If the Dev himself finally realised that something has to be done, that his VN walking on a slippery slope and stagnating, having an unimagable potential, he gotta start chopping off his own creation in order to complete it someday.

Final thought. Realism. You gotta be fucking kidding me. None of those VN's out here has nothing to do with reality. All of them fulfilling sundry fetishes/sultry desires of their devs/audience. Believability of AWAM had been thrown out of the window long time ago. For some with everchanging Sophia's titties, for others - with introducing religious family. All of us has it's own gripe with this VN. Getting rid of the most irrelevant storylines is the first sign of L&P taking drastic measures to course correct his own Titanic.

Wow. Hahahaha. Lots of posters fired up about my statement. Let me just say that I only started playing this game three weeks ago and decided to post some thoughts in regards to my recent gameplay of a game I very much enjoyed. I now realize that I've stumbled into a forum where people are obsessing over a porn game that they have in many cases been following for 5 to7 years and still feel the need to voice their frustration about it. I will try not to be rude and only say that all of this posting passion is about a porn game. A porn game. Lol. I just wanted to post a few thoughts about a game and am moving on but maybe some of you should too. 7 years is a long time to be fired up over a visual novel.

 

[Jokr_]

So, has this bitch had sex with anyone besides her husband yet?

Nope. She is still at the "getting naked" stage where each person gets naked but somehow their urge for sex dies after that, sounds like they all suffer from some anti sex disease?

Let's do some short calculation while we're at it. She has got naked with Sam before and dipped the sex, and then with Dylan and then again dipped, which is like almost 6 years now. In 12 years they will suck titties, 24 years they will suck the pussy, golden jubilee 50 years her pussy will get the sex desired since 50 years of irl time.

 

[armion82]

So, has this bitch had sex with anyone besides her husband yet?

She didn't have sex,even with husband for the last 3 years.