VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

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tofhdns

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abram1 said:
Either L&P owes you dough or there's a hidden pent up sexual unresolved tension between you two.

I'm not his attorney, I see a guy who had found a goose laying golden eggs, grasping this opportunity and attempting to extract up until the last drop out of it. He doesn't need yours or anyone else's approval from the fanbase, period. He listens to the feedback and does as he sees fit. Can you tell me how many VN's have you made? Right-right ... Or what's your level of expertise in DAZ 3D, Blender etc. Yeah, not that difficult to guess.
It ain't about you, but concerns all of us with free advises. When complete amateurs start giving opinions about things we have close to null knowledge, that looks slightly exasperating for the opposing side.
Two options are always open: follow the unfolding comedy/drama/farce till it ends one way or another, or jump the ship and stop torturing yourself. You still here or it's time to move on? If we keep coming here after all, we wanna witness how it either gonna be smashed into pieces, fall into oblivion or rise as phoenix (highly unlikely, but preferibly).
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For the same reason, how many VN have you made?
Or how deep expertise do you have?

Did you know that the Michelin Guide includes reporters, reviewers, company executives, etc.?
Did you know that game companies get feedback from regular players when they release their games?

Are you just laughing because you have no experience or knowledge?

If you have a VN you made I would try playing it.

And why not do something before this game smashed into pieces.
or just watch quietly, like you said.
 
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abram1 said:
I see a guy who had found a goose laying golden eggs
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Laughable. This started out as that but ultimately the dev chose to go about it in a dishonest manner once he realized how easy it was to part fools from their money. That's called milking, plain and simple.

abram1 said:
He doesn't need yours or anyone else's approval from the fanbase, period.
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That's actually a poor business strategy. Gaining the approval of one's fanbase, customers, audience, etc is what keeps that golden goose laying golden eggs long term. Short term only leads to what i already mentioned, abandonment of said project once the goose keels over. This sort of thing has played out countless times from a long list of developers as proof enough. The only reason it is still working for him is that he does have a good story and provides quality rendering. Eventually though, more people are going to realize he likely has no intention of completing this and in a few years, his support will dry up.

abram1 said:
Can you tell me how many VN's have you made? Right-right ... Or what's your level of expertise in DAZ 3D, Blender etc. Yeah, not that difficult to guess.
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Fallacious ad hominem argument. Seems i touched a nerve. Perhaps you should control your emotional responses a little better.
I'm not surprised you went here though considering you're opening statement was blatantly disrespectful.

abram1 said:
Either L&P owes you dough or there's a hidden pent up sexual unresolved tension between you two.
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Next time, express an opinion. Also, do not attack a person, go after the idea. You lost all credibility the moment you used that as your opening response.
 
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bluehound36 said:
No, it is not picking up pace in any regard. He use to go at the pace of a tortoise. Something that at least gave a glimmer of hope that the story would have gone somewhere by this point but it hasn't. Now he's down to the pace of a snail and has been for almost 2 years roughly. If you don't realize the difference, then consider that a tortoise goes 1 mile per hour and a snail takes 5 days 12 hours to go a mile. This is nothing new with his circular release updates. The teasers are always enough to fool a few people here and lots over on patreon. The sad fact is, his releases have gotten progressively slower, as many have gone over this before. Some in great detail in terms of time frame it's going to take this dev to get anywhere worthwhile with the story in the next 5 years and that odds are good a decade will have gone by before this is anywhere near completion. Hell, most doubt it won't really be anywhere even by then.


There will be no sexual stuff in this update. Sensual perhaps but that's his thing as he has proven time and again.


Not yet, he might talk about changing things but the changes end up extending development time with less content released. So, we can either determine at this point he is either lying or is having way too much difficulty running a game with a story that has the scope of which would take a full development team to manage properly in a reasonable time like many other devs have done to achieve their goals.


He's only taking out redundant branches because many people have already expressed it's part of what is inhibiting him from progressing anywhere sensible. Some of us believe he did that deliberately considering how he dismissed any attempt to offer advice that he should have focused on the main story he was telling and saved the side stories for later as additional content to be added or as separate games as some other devs have done to keep their sub numbers up. He could have kept a few going rather than constantly adding more in, thus why as i stated, some of us believe he was doing it deliberately just to extend development time for the sake of money.


Considering how he started out in his first year, yep, that is precisely what people were expecting to happen after this many years of it being developed. That isn't an unreasonable expectation either. He's the one who shot himself in the proverbial foot when he kept increasing the length of development per update all the while claiming it would be the exact opposite to finish things at a quicker pace. He did this repeatedly and people kept calling him out for it. At least on here anyway. It took awhile before that started to happen over on his patreon.


Considering how things have been going, it will likely get worse. Hopefully that is an incorrect assessment but so far, nothing has changed for the better.

People here see quite a bit, it's a theme that constantly plays out with numerous devs from new ones to old ones. Heck, just look at how many constantly claim having a disease/illness that prevents them from completing their work that ultimately leads to a myriad of VNs being abandoned. That trash heap is a monument to lies and deception if you go sifting through that list and believe me, it's a long one.


Most websites outside of patreon are going to be more of a "wild west" in terms of how they provide criticism. A good majority of which, especially on here, should be taken from a constructive point of view. L&P has proven he doesn't handle criticism well, least of all constructive criticism. If he alters the game too much that it causes his development time to extend even further, a steam release is going to be a death blow that might very well make him abandon it outright considering how savage those neanderthals can be with criticism over there.
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I think that we have to stop viewing AWAM as an adult game and more like a soap opera/social experiment.
 
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bluehound36 said:
Laughable. This started out as that but ultimately the dev chose to go about it in a dishonest manner once he realized how easy it was to part fools from their money. That's called milking, plain and simple.


That's actually a poor business strategy. Gaining the approval of one's fanbase, customers, audience, etc is what keeps that golden goose laying golden eggs long term. Short term only leads to what i already mentioned, abandonment of said project once the goose keels over. This sort of thing has played out countless times from a long list of developers as proof enough. The only reason it is still working for him is that he does have a good story and provides quality rendering. Eventually though, more people are going to realize he likely has no intention of completing this and in a few years, his support will dry up.


Fallacious ad hominem argument. Seems i touched a nerve. Perhaps you should control your emotional responses a little better.
I'm not surprised you went here though considering you're opening statement was blatantly disrespectful.


Next time, express an opinion. Also, do not attack a person, go after the idea. You lost all credibility the moment you used that as your opening response.
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Oh, good ol' times are back. Pls, I eat people like you for breakfast, don't sweat much.

You can be frustrated with L&P, his methods which doesn't change a fact that only a drastic drop in a number of subscribers gonna force him to re-evaluate his approach once more.

Maybe, just maybe, you should visit some other threads with development issues to get a grasp of what milking is. It's your perception vs mine, in the end.

I've been hearing a song about god-awful handling of his own VN for quite some time now. The train keeps rolling. People come and go. You were saying smth about possible dwindling support? Wishful thinking. Tell me about it couple years from now, we'll laugh together.

Why would I respect a person who calls another a liar, never met him and keeps calling his supporters fools for no reason? You get what you deserve, nothing else. Keep on dreaming about AWAM's demise at night, if that comforts you. Cheers.
 
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Seems like the girls are trying to out do each other to win right. Isn’t Ellie super competitive ? Maybe she’ll join to prove a point or she’ll show less. Tbh I can see him making her the last teaser even maybe showing off more than what we expect to really hype up the update. What do you guys think?
 
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