ancienregimele

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Speaking fact.
Facts are thin on the ground when it comes to communication from the Dev. There is, however, the insurmountable fact of the game's title, "A Wife & Mother," referring to one person, "A" in this case being singular, i.e. referencing the former MC & the only MC who can be both a wife & mother. As the game now contains large portions of incest & teens with little else, while also taking the direction of Dylan's POV, it is overdue for a change of title but won't get one, because the AWAM brand is too well known. Calling what has become a different game from the one I started playing in 2018 by it's original title has to be good for marketing purposes but otherwise perpetuates a misnomer.

Even those scenes featuring Sophia & her voluminous "milk jugs," (to which half her brain seems to have been transplanted part-way through an event), are only present so that she can act as a dumbed-down, adult prop, for teen virgins to manipulate & bounce on. Those of us who thought we were in receipt of a story about an elegant, educated woman with beauty AND brains, (a refreshing change in 3D porn), were destined to be disappointed, in more ways than one.

Aiden is gone, yet still we hear complaints. He was not only provided with a Mafia 'get out' for those fans who hated him (& he was meant to be hated, ...that's what villains are for) but is not due back for another 5-7 years at the current pace. He probably won't be back at all. He & many other characters are clearly not what is delaying the game. That is solely down to the Dev's preferred development rate. Nathalie (aged 19, dangerously close to not being a teen), is officially set to return in 2035. Alyssa, ('pon my word, an adult), has been confirmed as a returnee but who knows when, or even if, at this rate?

If there existed some demonstrable imperative to finish AWAM in less than the 30+ years it's due to take, I could (objectively), understand the logic of featuring only incest & immediate family members. It seems to be happening anyway & I don't (subjectively), like it, because I've had no game for c2 years. That there's no real determination to finish before mid-century is indicated by the inclusion of a side story, which appears to have required many renders & is preferred to an existing storyline, I presume, to give Dylan more screen time & please youthful fans. Side jobs may finally be terminated, (I'll believe it when I see it) but IMO that's because of the shota & a projected Steam release, rather than an attempt to speed up.

There's nothing intrinsically wrong with following 'the further adventures of Dylan,' (for fans who like that kind of thing) but such an endeavour would have been less unwelcome if the originally stated aim of event-based monthly releases had actually come to fruition. What now passes for AWAM is a series of almost stand-alone events, each of which must have "lewd" content, to avoid an outcry, a coherent story having gone the way of 'realism' & 'class.'
 
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XaGnard

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The events with Sophia and Dylan DID NOT happen in this update. IT is an alternative event. So basically a side Story
Is that really the case? The first event, with the long conversation and a bit of action, was overarching both paths, wasn't it?

In addition, I think that something like that can be changed in the dialogs with a reasonable amount of effort. At least I haven't given up on the idea of more action with Dylan, Ellie and Sophia.
 
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And that damn "potential"

Is it also “potential” for Sofia's parents to visit?
Is it also “potential” for Sam to build a house on a tree?
Is it also “potential” for Logan to cheat?

Some people also said the salon scene had "potential."
Some people also said the club scene had "potential."

It's just a story.
A device for storytelling.
And that damn "potential"

Is it also “potential” for Sofia's parents to visit?
Is it also “potential” for Sam to build a house on a tree?
Is it also “potential” for Logan to cheat?

Some people also said the salon scene had "potential."
Some people also said the club scene had "potential."

It's just a story.
A device for storytelling.
To be honest, just seeing the previews shown so far make for an important update. After all, it is a big step forward for Dylan and Ellie. It sould be a core story element and not just an arbitrarily interchangeable path, like the one around Aiden, for example.
 
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Is that really the case? The first event, with the long conversation and a bit of action, was overarching both paths, wasn't it?

In addition, I think that something like that can be changed in the dialogs with a reasonable amount of effort. At least I haven't given up on the idea of more action with Dylan, Ellie and Sophia.
Have you ever read xxxorro's awesome post collating all the information we know? Obviously since I haven't downloaded the game in a while I can't quote exactly, but I'm fairly sure that there's a conversation Dylan has with Sophia about either heading out to the restaurant, or heading to Christine's party. So no possibility of doing both.

That heading to the restaurant is called "Evening alternative 1" and the bonus storyline is "Evening alternative 2" makes it pretty clear cut to me.
 

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To be honest, just seeing the previews shown so far make for an important update. After all, it is a big step forward for Dylan and Ellie. It sould be a core story element and not just an arbitrarily interchangeable path, like the one around Aiden, for example.
None of the devices set up in the story can be replaced.
Because it is literally a device that “drives/necessary” the story.

“Potential” is not what drives the story.
It has to explode.

The only impact of Dylan/Ellie's story in this update will be to explain the situation to Sophia.
This is not an explosion.
It's just the flow.

Even if you're hoping there will be a threesome in the future and think this update will be the starting point, this isn't potential, it's just flow.

Who says this is potential?

If this is potential, what is not potential?
As I said, if this is potential, then the parents' visit is potential, Logan's cheating is potential, and Dylan going into the dorm is potential.

It's just part of the story.
 

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Have you ever read xxxorro's awesome post collating all the information we know? Obviously since I haven't downloaded the game in a while I can't quote exactly, but I'm fairly sure that there's a conversation Dylan has with Sophia about either heading out to the restaurant, or heading to Christine's party. So no possibility of doing both.

That heading to the restaurant is called "Evening alternative 1" and the bonus storyline is "Evening alternative 2" makes it pretty clear cut to me.
The point I'm trying to make is that Dylan made some progress with Sophia that night, even without the alternative restaurant event. The bathroom event is there in both paths. So it's definitely possible to progress also with Sophia without this event, just via a path with Ellie (which could still include the threesome I am hoping for).

In general, Interwoven paths are more exciting. That's one of the reasons I still hope Dylan was watching Sophia and Sam. More voyeur scenes would be perfekt. Sophia has watched Ellie some Times, maybe she will viel an event between Dylan und Ellie, so a 2nd path for a threesome would be possible.
 

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The point I'm trying to make is that Dylan made some progress with Sophia that night, even without the alternative restaurant event. The bathroom event is there in both paths. So it's definitely possible to progress also with Sophia without this event, just via a path with Ellie (which could still include the threesome I am hoping for).

In general, Interwoven paths are more exciting. That's one of the reasons I still hope Dylan was watching Sophia and Sam. More voyeur scenes would be perfekt. Sophia has watched Ellie some Times, maybe she will viel an event between Dylan und Ellie, so a 2nd path for a threesome would be possible.
Except that by definition, the bonus storyline doesn't have Sophia as a major component. We were told that from the very beginning. Whilst she can pop in from time to time, like speaking to Dylan to see what his plans are for the night, that's the extent of her involvement.

Sophia doesn't even know where Christine lives, so how could she spy on Dylan and Ellie. I don't even know if Sophia knows Ellie is there.

The only interwoven routes really at the moment is Ellie and Patricia. And yeah, that's pretty great. But that's only because the three of them had the Nightclub event together, so Ellie knows that her aunt can push Sophia's buttons.
 

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Except that by definition, the bonus storyline doesn't have Sophia as a major component. We were told that from the very beginning. Whilst she can pop in from time to time, like speaking to Dylan to see what his plans are for the night, that's the extent of her involvement.

Sophia doesn't even know where Christine lives, so how could she spy on Dylan and Ellie. I don't even know if Sophia knows Ellie is there.

The only interwoven routes really at the moment is Ellie and Patricia. And yeah, that's pretty great. But that's only because the three of them had the Nightclub event together, so Ellie knows that her aunt can push Sophia's buttons.


This will certainly not happen with this update, but maybe at some point in the future.
 
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The fact that Sophia is the main focus does not mean that her family not also develops and thus advances the story of A wife and mother. To believe that Sophia must be included in every update is clearly nonsense. The updates are now too small for that.

In my opinion, Dylan and Ellie are worth the effort. It's a really well-developed story that repeatedly has an impact on Sophia. Take, for example, the beach scene. Here, the conflict between the two ultimately led to an event between Sophia and Dylan. I honestly hope that L&P will give more space to the story about the two of them, and later Sophia as a threesome. The whole thing has a lot of potential and shouldn't be destroyed by someone thinking that the game should only revolve around Sophia. That would be far too shallow. It is called "A Wife and mother" and not just "Sophia".
The problem with that is,you have to choose between Sophia and Ellie event,you can't have both.
And if you go with Sophia event,probably that is the end for Dylan/Ellie route,and vice versa
 

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I can see a lot of discussions about the future here. Hope we all realize that there's a strong indication 2024 will be a single release year? And, depending on the re-built "legal" Part 1 success on Steam, there might very well be no future at all beyond Part 2?
 

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I can see a lot of discussions about the future here. Hope we all realize that there's a strong indication 2024 will be a single release year? And, depending on the re-built "legal" Part 1 success on Steam, there might very well be no future at all beyond Part 2?
From what I have been able to see on Steam, these types of games on Renpy, with hardly any animations, are not very popular. Most are in Unity or Ungine with 3D animations. The question is, do you really think that L&P is going to risk losing all the fame and money coming from Patreon and make the game only for Steam?
 

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The question is, do you really think that L&P is going to risk losing all the fame and money coming from Patreon and make the game only for Steam?
Quite the opposite, hence his meticulous shtick playing safely both ends. He's currently charging his enablers for something they already paid for (Part 1), so financially the Steam recon expedition is covered. For the time being, Part 2 in its covert version is stalled by pushing hard the side story. It can't be dropped entirely to keep the illusion of working on a new Part 2 content.
Now, if the re-built "legal" Part 1 is a success on Steam, he'll focus on developing Part 2 in a "legal" manner (no risky content), so you may forget the current storylines. If it's a flop, he can always get back to business as usual, meaning continuously stretching development time due to whatever. Nicely played risk management on his part, poor judgement on the horny cult-like patrons...
 

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The problem with that is,you have to choose between Sophia and Ellie event,you can't have both.
And if you go with Sophia event,probably that is the end for Dylan/Ellie route,and vice versa
Well, L&P went through a lot of trouble to keep the two events separate. If the progress from the first event does not lead to anything more, then an exclusive branch could have forced a decision beforehand. I think, It's unlikely that the progress from the bathroom event will go to waste just because Dylan was at the party. He doesn't stand Sohia up, so there is no anger.It's certainly different with Ellie if he doesn't go to the party.

So, Ultimately, he is able to make progress with both Sophia and Ellie that day. Exactly what is needed for a threesome. I see no logically compelling reason against this.
 

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Well, L&P went through a lot of trouble to keep the two events separate. If the progress from the first event does not lead to anything more, then an exclusive branch could have forced a decision beforehand. I think, It's unlikely that the progress from the bathroom event will go to waste just because Dylan was at the party. He doesn't stand Sohia up, so there is no anger.It's certainly different with Ellie if he doesn't go to the party.

So, Ultimately, he is able to make progress with both Sophia and Ellie that day. Exactly what is needed for a threesome. I see no logically compelling reason against this.
Because while Sophia might have gained some Dylan points by just doing the bathtub event, a quick check of the walkthrough shows that Sophia can gain something like 30 Dylan points by doing everything in the hottub.

And to continue along the Sophia/Dylan route, you're likely going to need maximum Dylan points (as is the case in every other route so far), which is impossible if you're also playing the bonus storyline.

That's what I mean when I say the Sophia/Dylan route and the bonus storyline are mutually exclusive. Same as how the Alyssa path and the Patricia route are mutually exclusive.
 

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Because while Sophia might have gained some Dylan points by just doing the bathtub event, a quick check of the walkthrough shows that Sophia can gain something like 30 Dylan points by doing everything in the hottub.

And to continue along the Sophia/Dylan route, you're likely going to need maximum Dylan points (as is the case in every other route so far), which is impossible if you're also playing the bonus storyline.

That's what I mean when I say the Sophia/Dylan route and the bonus storyline are mutually exclusive. Same as how the Alyssa path and the Patricia route are mutually exclusive.
Because while Sophia might have gained some Dylan points by just doing the bathtub event, a quick check of the walkthrough shows that Sophia can gain something like 30 Dylan points by doing everything in the hottub.

And to continue along the Sophia/Dylan route, you're likely going to need maximum Dylan points (as is the case in every other route so far), which is impossible if you're also playing the bonus storyline.

That's what I mean when I say the Sophia/Dylan route and the bonus storyline are mutually exclusive. Same as how the Alyssa path and the Patricia route are mutually exclusive.
So far, not much has really happened in any of the Sophia paths, except maybe with Liam. The fact is and remains that Dylan can make progress with both on that day. Perhaps something that is necessary to get the hoped-for threesome scene between Dylan, Sophia and Ellie.
 

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Because while Sophia might have gained some Dylan points by just doing the bathtub event, a quick check of the walkthrough shows that Sophia can gain something like 30 Dylan points by doing everything in the hottub.

And to continue along the Sophia/Dylan route, you're likely going to need maximum Dylan points (as is the case in every other route so far), which is impossible if you're also playing the bonus storyline.

That's what I mean when I say the Sophia/Dylan route and the bonus storyline are mutually exclusive. Same as how the Alyssa path and the Patricia route are mutually exclusive.
Collecting "sympathy points" seems to me to be a rather weak criterion for predicting whether a route will continue or not. You can play certain events, for example with Sam, even if the sympathy points for Sam are zero. The only requirement there is that they have made the right decision in certain cases.
I ask myself anyway why we still have "sympathy points" when everything, or most of it so far, depends on yes-no decisions.
 

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Collecting "sympathy points" seems to me to be a rather weak criterion for predicting whether a route will continue or not. You can play certain events, for example with Sam, even if the sympathy points for Sam are zero. The only requirement there is that they have made the right decision in certain cases.
I ask myself anyway why we still have "sympathy points" when everything, or most of it so far, depends on yes-no decisions.
Most of the criteria lately (at least for many of the events in my playthrough) have actually have been event triggers, not points. For example, much of the conversation with Larry depends on when Sophia last had sex with Liam.

Or Ellie being happy because there's no video game noise blasting from Dylan's room. That only happens because of the trigger of sending him to boarding school.

I think much of the difficulties people have been having with events lately is precisely because they don't have the event triggers for the content in the updates.
 
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Well, L&P went through a lot of trouble to keep the two events separate. If the progress from the first event does not lead to anything more, then an exclusive branch could have forced a decision beforehand. I think, It's unlikely that the progress from the bathroom event will go to waste just because Dylan was at the party. He doesn't stand Sohia up, so there is no anger.It's certainly different with Ellie if he doesn't go to the party.

So, Ultimately, he is able to make progress with both Sophia and Ellie that day. Exactly what is needed for a threesome. I see no logically compelling reason against this.
You forget the fact that second part of Sophia/Dylan event ends with a handjob.
That is pretty massive difference in progress with Sophia,if you go to the party.
 
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