VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.215f] [Lust & Passion]

[RedGlow]

For example in GGGB , Do you think playing the ''Good Path'' is same as eating Salad in McDonald? If author gives enough scene for every path then it will be player's choice but I don't know about this game , it will be one way or many way... We will see.

 

[Hyped]

@MWeb And there lies the problem. The creator clearly cannot do justice to both paths since the 'good path' is most likely boring and conventional and is one that we're familiar with. We don't play these games for an exact slice of reality nor do we want a cliche romance soap opera.

He needs to be realistic and prioritize. Patrons won't stand for endless teasing and they won't stand for extended delays, we've seen it happen numerous times.

 

[RedGlow]

@Hyped , In other words , we won't have any content while playing faithfull path but be happy since it is the right thing to do? or Corrupt the MC and get many scene as we can? ... If this is the case i can understand Salad thing

 

[Downhilldown]

Holy cow. Every few days, someone comes out of his hole to tell us what he does not like about the game or what he would do better.

If you do not like the game as it is, then look for another game or even better develop a game yourself according to your taste.

But please, please spare the rest of the world with your suggestions on how to improve this game.

it's just like its developer wants it and that pleases the people so well, so live with it.

just wait for next release, i can feel it will be massacred in comments :closedeyesmile:

 

[TheVengefulOne]

Lol! Yeah, criticizing is very easy if never worked himself on such a high level of art creation (and amount of text)!

And saying that criticizing is very easy is very stupid, you are not selling a finished game for 30$, you are charging 30$ per month, no matter how good looking your game is or how much story it has it's not worth 30$ per month.

 

[Viatovic]

That's because most of the authors fail to offer content in that path.
I understand you don't like some themes that can be involved in a faithful path and that's fine. But if it's all optional, it shouldn't be a problem for you.
I fail to see how having more choices is a bad thing. Especially in a games with player choice as core concept.

It's not about like or dislike... it's about seeing or not seeing action.
In the story as it is right now, we got a bored and unsatisfied wife with a vanilla husband that may be cheating on her and clearly cannot ring her chimes.
The theme here is that she's gonna be tempted by various different characters to commit adultery. That's where the content lies.
The other option is doing nothing.
You may want to play to the Sims or something else... because you are asking the dev to change his game to fulfill your specific kink that seems to be about husbands and wives experimenting to overcome the rut in their marriage.
I would love to see a game like that, but this is not the case.
Try to enjoy the things as they are, you always seem to be trying change concepts so they suit you.

 

[Ignazzio]

And saying that criticizing is very easy is very stupid, you are not selling a finished game for 30$, you are charging 30$ per month, no matter how good looking your game is or how much story it has it's not worth 30$ per month.

No one is charging anything from players. Patreon isn't a platform you can sell anything. It's about supporting creators.
No game is worth 30$ per month but people find some ideas apealing enough to support them.

 

[stoper]

It's not about like or dislike... it's about seeing or not seeing action.
In the story as it is right now, we got a bored and unsatisfied wife with a vanilla husband that may be cheating on her and clearly cannot ring her chimes.
The theme here is that she's gonna be tempted by various different characters to commit adultery. That's where the content lies.
The other option is doing nothing.
You may want to play to the Sims or something else... because you are asking the dev to change his game to fulfill your specific kink that seems to be about husbands and wives experimenting to overcome the rut in their marriage.
I would love to see a game like that, but this is not the case.
Try to enjoy the things as they are, you always seem to be trying change concepts so they suit you.

What? Are you kidding me? How am I trying to change anything?
It's the author who created the Good Wife path, not me.
You're saying that the Good Wife choices will lead to "doing nothing", which is not only stupid but also contrary to what the author said. He specifically wrote (here or on Patreon, I'm not about to search his post) that there will be sexual content on the Good Wife path.
For fuck's sake, trying to change the concepts...

 

[Hyped]

@Hyped , In other words , we won't have any content while playing faithfull path but be happy since it is the right thing to do? or Corrupt the MC and get many scene as we can? ... If this is the case i can understand Salad thing

Yes, why waste precious sperm on salad.

The one scene that stood out was the basketball one. That and all the hype is why I'm waiting for the next one. Most of the other scenes were mostly clichéd and lead me to believe the creator would not do a good job writing the 'good path'.

 

[Hyped]

What? Are you kidding me? How am I trying to change anything?
It's the author who created the Good Wife path, not me.
You're saying that the Good Wife choices will lead to "doing nothing", which is not only stupid but also contrary to what the author said. He specifically wrote (here or on Patreon, I'm not about to search his post) that there will be sexual content on the Good Wife path.
For fuck's sake, trying to change the concepts...

And then there will be endless arguments about what 'good' means, as the creator tries to shove his moral worldviews down our throats.

Creators should just let their creative perversions run wild and not spend too much time trying to preach. He sounds very preachy from his previous comments. I'm not paying to hear what he thinks an ideal good wife is.

 

[lockhear]

The sentence "Good Wife" should be banned by UN organization forever okerFace:

 

[stoper]

And then there will be endless arguments about what 'good' means, as the creator tries to shove his moral worldviews down our throats.

Good Wife choices seem to be faithful to the husband / non-cheating. I don't understand why are you worried about some "preaching" here.

 

[Hyped]

Good Wife choices seem to be faithful to the husband / non-cheating. I don't understand why are you worried about some "preaching" here.

Faithful to the husband is the most boring path to take, no matter how innovative his sex scenes are. For the good wife path the only possibilities are threesomes or kinky sex scenes.
When I said preaching, it was based on the idea that he would have to switch from 'good wife' to 'good woman'. To still be fun a few releases down the line, it would have to involve sex with others in some way. Maybe the husband cheats and we see her response as 'good'. Or insert some other soap opera plot.

Maybe the dev thinks her having a fun night grinding genitals with the sister still qualifies her as a 'good wife', no insertions happened after all. My point was that fans will argue about what is or isn't good and his replies will seem preachy.

 

[n0b0dy]

@MWeb And there lies the problem. The creator clearly cannot do justice to both paths since the 'good path' is most likely boring and conventional and is one that we're familiar with.

There is really no reason to assume Lust and Passion won't be able to make the 'good path' interesting, there can still be room for an interesting story and good erotic content there. Also I find a good path is needed in a game like this since as a player you want to feel like you are in control over the protag and you are the one that can decide what she does and when you know you can not do a 'good run' this really makes the 'bad run' a lot less fun and exiting IMO.

We don't play these games for an exact slice of reality nor do we want a cliche romance soap opera.

If you speak for a whole group please make it clear who the others are you represent. Otherwise it would be better to use the word "I" when stating your opinion.

He needs to be realistic and prioritize. Patrons won't stand for endless teasing and they won't stand for extended delays, we've seen it happen numerous times.

L&P has layed out a very clear vision of his game on his Patreon page in which he explicitly states "After seeing so maaany low-quality adult games, where the primary goal is to show as much nudity or erotic scenes as possible right from the beginning, without any good story or character development".
I mean heck, if you have just tried the first version you should understand the developer has consciously made the decision this is not going to be one of those games like "Lilly of the Valley" and the like where are the characters act like sex-crazed cartoons instead of real people. If you don't like that than this game is not for you and you should just move on.

I am sure most of his patrons have read his vision for the game, played the demo and understand he won't rush the sex part and support him because of this. I have seen many of his patrons comment on his patreon-page they think it is refreshing to finally see an adult game where there is room for some foreplay and realistic characters and they ask the developer not to rush things. If you ask me the game waiting with the characters boning each other is a huge strength and it is foolish to see it as a weakness.

 

[UncleVT]

In the "good wife" path there are innumerable interesting options. Searching for sex outside of marriage isn't the only thing that can be developed in a game like this.

 

[Hyped]

@n0b0dy

"where the primary goal is to show as much nudity"

It would appear that way. Popular games contained teasing for the main characters in the earlier episodes and then moved on. This one released at the right time, and showed a lot of promise with plenty of teasing scenes in one release.
The creator was clever to pack 5 releases worth of teasing content in one release. Imagine if he released the same amount of content spread over 5 months of just teasing.

There are some writers who can write teasing content even after a sex scene. There's the other kind, who tease endlessly, thinking the sex scene is some holy grail beyond which no romantic tension exists. So far, it is my opinion that he is more like the latter. Just my humble opinion of course.

"Also I find a good path is needed in a game like this since as a player you want to feel like you are in control over the protag"

As a player, yes that would be great. I was making a suggestion, while speculating how hard it would be for the creator. If he can pull it off, more power to him.

 

[Tiggie]

And then there will be endless arguments about what 'good' means, as the creator tries to shove his moral worldviews down our throats.

Creators should just let their creative perversions run wild and not spend too much time trying to preach. He sounds very preachy from his previous comments. I'm not paying to hear what he thinks an ideal good wife is.

Then stop paying and fuck off somewhere else

 

[Ignazzio]

But why sex has to be on a focus? Sexual content doesn't mean something is porn even tho in western society it's somehow connected. I wouldn't call such a game a porn game but an adult VN. No one would said a word about teasing if game was finished but with Patreon system they expect some porny gratification that has no place in this game so early. This game deserves to be finished in peace so people could enjoy something with high quality rather than another VN with sex obsessed characters and simpliefied plot

 

[stoper]

@Hyped , it's up to the dev to deliver. In my opinion, he's failing hard with the Good Wife so far, but the game is still young, there's plenty of time to recover. It's not an easy thing to do, in any case.
Don't write the game off just because you have an issue with the author. Play it and ignore his comments if they trouble you so much.

 

[n0b0dy]

@n0b0dy

"where the primary goal is to show as much nudity"

It would appear that way. Popular games contained teasing for the main characters in the earlier episodes and then moved on. This one released at the right time, and showed a lot of promise with plenty of teasing scenes in one release.
The creator was clever to pack 5 releases worth of teasing content in one release. Imagine if he released the same amount of content spread over 5 months of just teasing.

There are some writers who can write teasing content even after a sex scene. There's the other kind, who tease endlessly, thinking the sex scene is some holy grail beyond which no romantic tension exists. So far, it is my opinion that he is more like the latter. Just my humble opinion of course.

In my opinion many of the more popular games are pretty bad and this has a lot to do with the developers spending too much time focusing on pure sexual content and not enough on the actual characters and their place in the world. For me the "teasing" or foreplay is very welcome and I thoroughly enjoy it. I have not seen many patreon-supported games that had "not enough sexual content" but a lot that have too many of it and not enough proper foreplay and girls that feel like real humans instead of retarded sex-robots.
So yeah, I think teasing is actually great and I really enjoy it in these games and it is way too overlooked in most these games IMO so therefore it saddens me a bit when I see people here who only seem to focus on the amount of times that is spent showing characters having sex with each other and call the foreplay "milking" and such while for me it is a very important part of the game and I can not really enjoy games that have little to none good foreplay.

So I think this game will have a lot of teasing in it's first few updates and it is understandable not everybody likes it but I feel like the game should not be criticized for it since it is a stylistic choice from the developer. You do not criticize a steak for not tasting like a hamburger after all, that's just silly. If you wanted a hamburger just go eat a hamburger and stay away from the steak. If you want pure porn go watch pure porn or play a game that is pure porn, most of the games on this site are of that kind. This game was never meant to be just pure porn, it was meant to show a slow "corruption" and not change the MC from a good christian housewife to a gigantic slut overnight. That's how I see it based on the reactions of the developer.

If you are going to expect this game to be something it is not it will probably frustrate you very much, but maybe if you understand it was never meant to be that way you can appreciate it for what it is or move on until the game has reached the part there are plenty of sex-scenes in (my estimation) a year or so.