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Most other adult games might make you wait awhile to have sex with the main character in the game but there should have already of been sex scenes with Dylan and some girl, Sam, Elle and guy/girl, Zac and Allysa, Patricia and someone Aiden and his girl or some rando. Atleast show some of Sophias dirty fantasies too
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And that's an added difficulty with telling a game from (mostly) the 1st person perspective. Since we follow Sophia almost exclusively, we can't really get insights into what the other characters are doing when she's not around them. In this particular case Dylan and Ellie are not having sex so we're not missing much, but in general a third-person perspective allows for more flexibility. Like you said, if one character's story needs to move slowly you have the ability to flip over to another character's perspective. Maybe we could have flipped over to see some action between Patricia and Carl. Instead we're stuck in the first person perspective with Sophia and the game's pacing is impacted by it.
This isn't a criticism of L&P, just something I've noticed that I would keep in mind if I was making my own game.
I agree we can disagree. I am happy you are good with some fails and not with others. As long as you afford me those same considerations we only discuss elements of the story. When you say that it is my choice and I am only following the many paths he already creates then we disagree. Is that agreeable?
And how hard would it have been for him to use simple time jumps to make the change more realistic. It has already been four real years why did he not? Who knows? I agree with your summary.
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As we discussed earlier, it probably would be pretty difficult to use time jumps because of how he constructed the story. There are so many moving pieces with characters and stories, that he would have needed to construct the game from the beginning with time jumps in mind. Since he didn't do that, as Dr.Fapalot said, he would have needed to restructure the entire story to account for a unplanned for time jump, and that would be a nightmare. That's probably the reason he canceled the second time jump. He probably reached a point where he knew he needed a second one, but since it wasn't planned for from the beginning it was impossible to implement it.
Basically we're stuck with this format.
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Exactly, that's how it is, even with Dylan he has to push the barrier of realism in my opinion and as things progress there is no storyline which will be realistic.
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Why I figure the next 2nd side job event will be her exposing her tits to help them cum while using a condom or something.
I guess they are confused on how the condom works?
I don't mind the pace of the apostles (it gives content) but do think there could be something to tell us there were other classes with them that were off screen that helped lead Sophia to do what shes doing with them.
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Perhaps in the next update something will happen with Dylan and Christine or Christina or what the hell her part time ass is.
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Ok, but he only applies a sense of realism to one part of the story in which he is pushing the boundaries, which is Sophia/Dylan. But the way L&P describes his story as being realistic, shouldn't that same process apply to all storylines and not just Sophia/Dylan? The apostles are a prime example of what Sophia did in two P.Ds and Dylan finally touch her butt and he's been at it since the start of the novel. This is just one of the many completely unbalanced storylines and doesn't follow a rationale for realism.
This story is fictional, but even a fictional story needs to have some realism to make sense.
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If you read the text between Sophia and Aiden, He just gives her 12 assignments but there was never a timetable of when the assignment was to happen. I believe he picks and chooses the time the assignments will happen, or how L&P wrote the story.
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The apostles storyline screws everything up. I actually think the progress with Dylan makes a lot of sense, so I don't think I'd change a thing with it. One of the problem with the apostles story is that it screws the pacing up for everything else. Every other story arc has moved glacially and yet the kids are on the fast track. It's disorienting to the rest of the game that one story can be so far advanced while other, more established stories, are still stuck in Act 1.
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What's funny to me about people complaining about the realism of this porn game is that, lets say by the end of this Sophia can sleep with a majority of the characters across multiple routes and this game seems to take place over the course of maybe a few months?
Are people gonna complain with the amount of content IF that were to happen? Like "Wow in the course of a few months Sophia went from Loyal Wife to super slut", like I've said before its an adult game.
Now please keep in mind I'm talking about down the road when Sophia is more corrupt, sure if the next update were to come out and Sophia is banging some dude behind the bar while thats more content that throws off the narrative as of now Sophia is not that corrupt. Kind of like the apostle scene, while I myself am fine with that scene and the content wasn't sex sex and just Sophia being "naive" and giving a handy to teenangers because she was teaching them, I do still understand the complaints regarding the pace of that event.
If anything where to happen to Sophia regarding some random dude at the bar regarding the current circumstances, the most that would happen would be her seeing a guy and thinking he is "hot" or "handsome" and is amazed by his muscles or some crap. That or her while drunk walks in the mens bathroom by accident and getting a glimpse of some dudes cock, walking out of bathroom to then like the idea of seeing some strangers cock. So yes while it would be free content of her banging some stranger, it throws out everything L&P built.
Are people gonna complain with the amount of content IF that were to happen? Like "Wow in the course of a few months Sophia went from Loyal Wife to super slut", like I've said before its an adult game.
Now please keep in mind I'm talking about down the road when Sophia is more corrupt, sure if the next update were to come out and Sophia is banging some dude behind the bar while thats more content that throws off the narrative as of now Sophia is not that corrupt. Kind of like the apostle scene, while I myself am fine with that scene and the content wasn't sex sex and just Sophia being "naive" and giving a handy to teenangers because she was teaching them, I do still understand the complaints regarding the pace of that event.
If anything where to happen to Sophia regarding some random dude at the bar regarding the current circumstances, the most that would happen would be her seeing a guy and thinking he is "hot" or "handsome" and is amazed by his muscles or some crap. That or her while drunk walks in the mens bathroom by accident and getting a glimpse of some dudes cock, walking out of bathroom to then like the idea of seeing some strangers cock. So yes while it would be free content of her banging some stranger, it throws out everything L&P built.
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Definitely a tease for what's to come in the next update but we will have to wait till around next Spring (if I remember correctly of the list of events for what order they are in).
I agree. Some other 1st person perspective VNs with a slow build up/pace (yet not comparable to awam) offer some "side action" while the main plot develops. Sometimes well integrated in the plot, other times you really feel that it is there just as a "candy" while waiting for the main course.
Personally, I don't feel the need of any of this in awam. Sadly, we all know that the curse of this VN is really the slow development cycle. I don't remember who recently posted an enthusiastic post after playing for the first time the whole thing, just to get depressed an instant later when obvious issue has pointed out. I had the same reaction almost one year ago for my first playthrough. If it will ever be completed (big if!), I really envy those (our grandchildren?
) who will have the chance to play it all from the beginning to the end. Well, assuming the general quality and style is maintained, i.e. not becoming the "usual" fuckfest...That is to say that (IMO) the story works well even or especially because of the 1st person perspective, which I believe gets you more into the story and into the character, her emotions and her thoughts. Coupled with the slow burn/pace, that's what makes the story so engaging, at least for me. Obviously, not perfect, with all the realistic / not realistic, "tasteful" / "not tasteful" (euphemism for what we know) etc discussions that we have here on the forum. But just because we are all here discussing about this or that it means that the story has hit the target.
And I tell you this. My emotional curiosity don't even mind the wait either, especially because I like the discussions going on here on the forum, sometimes interesting, sometimes repetitive, but overall enjoyable, not to mention the wild speculations
.Clearly my rational side, on the other hand, is screaming every time I open the page. I hope my nursing home will have a decent internet connection when it will be the moment to speculate about Aiden's 8th or 9th task
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With Aiden I agree with L&P and a few of us have lost the realism.
Who thinks that once a woman like Sophia is "caught" there is any man who will wait months? That's a lack of realism.
C'mon, a couple of weeks is enough
and a few of us have lost the realism.Who thinks that once a woman like Sophia is "caught" there is any man who will wait months? That's a lack of realism.
C'mon, a couple of weeks is enough