VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[darji]

This unfortunately has led to anger among some players as this is not the buildup they wanted nor I would guess fully understand the nature of. They'd rather see Sophia bone people at the drop of a hat for almost no reason at all. This is the complete opposite of eroticism and just porn for the sake of being porn. Sexual actions in erotic novels do not need to involve intercourse or even show nudity. I for one like where the game is heading and how it has developed so far. Would I like the updates to come out faster? Of course. But compared to how he has been doing so far it's a minor quibble that really isn't much of an issue for me.

My suggestions is to play it and make up your own mind on where you stand on it. Whether you support him or not is your choice to make so don't let the jealous haters or the rave reviewers make up your mind for you

Yeah thats mosty especially wehn you take a look how popular Sophia sor the Scenario seems to be. I mean I just found a 700 pages long Fan Art thread here.

I am honest I would love to the her having sex with other people than her husband. There are also so many teases for gangbang or DP scenarios which will probably not happen in the actual game. But then her actions make sense in the Story This is certainly not a game for a lot of sex but this is also not why I like her character.

Also by the way: There is really a lack of group sex scenes with more than one man in the more high quality games I have seen so far. And I doubt being a dik is different in this regard.

Blowjob with Dylan? His next event with Sophia is at least two years away

There is a Dylan scene in the next one be it with inolvement with Sophia or not we will see in a few weeks.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

I recall L&P saying at one point in the beginning he didn't know the difference between cuck and NTR. Would NTR be a more appropriate term?

If you ask 10 people you'll get 10 different answers. I would say no, because the necessary humiliation isn't being felt by the player or the playable character.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Blowjob with Dylan? His next event with Sophia is at least two years away

I recall L&P saying at one point in the beginning he didn't know the difference between cuck and NTR. Would NTR be a more appropriate term?

Voyeurism term would fit better with Dylan. If that is where he is going with Dylan watching Sophia with other men.

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Cuckold - This would not fit Dylan, nor would NTR. These words would work with Liam.

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[Bill_Buttlicker]

Yeah thats mosty especially wehn you take a look how popular Sophia sor the Scenario seems to be. I mean I just found a 700 pages long Fan Art thread here.

I am honest I would love to the her having sex with other people than her husband. There are also so many teases for gangbang or DP scenarios which will probably not happen in the actual game. But then her actions make sense in the Story This is certainly not a game for a lot of sex but this is also not why I like her character.

Also by the way: There is really a lack of group sex scenes with more than one man in the more high quality games I have seen so far. And I doubt being a dik is different in this regard.




There is a Dylan scene in the next one be it with inolvement with Sophia or not we will see in a few weeks.

Well she's also had fantasy sex with Don Morello's brother. It may not have been real but it shows where her mind is now going. She's opening up to the thought of having sex or at least being intimate with others.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Yeah thats mosty especially wehn you take a look how popular Sophia sor the Scenario seems to be. I mean I just found a 700 pages long Fan Art thread here.

I am honest I would love to the her having sex with other people than her husband. There are also so many teases for gangbang or DP scenarios which will probably not happen in the actual game. But then her actions make sense in the Story This is certainly not a game for a lot of sex but this is also not why I like her character.

Also by the way: There is really a lack of group sex scenes with more than one man in the more high quality games I have seen so far. And I doubt being a dik is different in this regard.




There is a Dylan scene in the next one be it with inolvement with Sophia or not we will see in a few weeks.

The next Sophia/Dylan is not until the 2nd part of the afternoon with Claire and Marie and the evening event. We will not see this in a few weeks. It will most likely be late 2022 or early 2023 at best.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

Hi! That is both true and untrue! While there are a lot of similarities between German and English, both coming from the West-Germanic branch, they have grown into different directions with the years. (e.g. shakespearean English is a lot closer to modern German than modern English is)
When it comes to syntax, only simple sentences are similar in both languages. Syntactically English is very poor and limited compared to German and several other languages. English has a strict SVO corsett, whereas German´s only truly fixed rule is "declinated verb second element, all other verbs at the end" which is V2/OV for the researchers. Everything else you can play around with in German and even push the limits, for instance you can grammatically correct "brick" the Vorfeld with up to 3-4 related elements (if you know how) when just one element is the typical standard and taught so.
The limitedness of English syntax hit me full force when I started translating my stories into English, even my native English proof reader, who now and then looks over it, says that a lot of meaning gets lost in translation when this meaning is transported by sentence structure, which is a standard in German, but cannot or just rarely copied in English with it´s much stricter rigid structure.

But the problems of transporting the correct meaning between languages is one thing, L&P being this slow in translation in another. He is mega-slow, even a person with just his/her (maybe rusty) Gymnasium English under the belt can translate something halfway decent quicker. He is translating a porn game, not Faust or the Nibelungenlied.

Well, IMHO that are familiarity issues at work. e.g. English or other languages dirty talk is likewise very silly, if you look at it, but we do not register it like that normally since it is another language.

It's just another way for him to delay the game even more. If you 15 days more than you should on each update, thats 1 month vacation per year where he pretends he is working.

 

[L&P's Father-in-Law]

I am all new to this and yes I became a Patreon today for this game. But given how the story or events goes so far. I would expect sexual actions with the next update in Novemeber.. It always went more and more lewd and "crazier". He is constantly building up tensions with each route or character. So given that I expect something like a blowjob with Dylan in the new update or more tensions with Aiden Sam, Patricia etc.

But I also can be wrong

You are so wrong.
Don't expect sexual "actions" until the year 2024/2025, with luck, and if he doesn't abandon the game until then.

 

[ancienregimele]

I gave up on this thread, I rather discuss AWAM but it's the same ole thing in here, every single page.

NO SEX SCENES, WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN, IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW, NOT ENOUGH CONTENT, NOT ENOUGH OF THE RIGHT CONTENT, THE UPDATES TAKE TOO LONG.

Have you considered initiating a fresh discussion & attempting to conduct the thread in a different direction recently, albeit perhaps temporarily? Complaints on the thread reflect the levels of fandom frustration but they aren't all that's here.

Almost every suggestion, speculation or comment receives an answer of some kind. Personally I think the thread is lively, even to the extent of being more so than it deserves to be. That's an opinion which stems from 3+ years of playing but at the same time recognising the slightly ridiculous position of participating in a VN which is predicted to last several decades at it's current rate of output, unless it's abandoned .

 

[kewlbigdan]

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You have to realize you're talking with Sabertooth.
He understands 0 but will talk about stuff he doesn't know about anyways just to defend L&P. You're wasting your time on him.

L&P should simply get a translator (unless someone here is ready to tell me that he will translate it better than any pro out there), like he said he would, 3+ years ago.

I think he should just write it in German and we all learn German.

 

[CSK92]

You are so wrong.
Don't expect sexual "actions" until the year 2024/2025, with luck, and if he doesn't abandon the game until then.

It will long before then. Unfortunately he has two maybe three updates left. Possibly after this. Look at Bad Boy Bobby Saga and Dual Family as examples to keep the $$ coming.

 

[kewlbigdan]

Regarding the discussions on German-English translation, are we sure L&P is translating from German to English? Because somewhere in the forums, i came across L&P is actually Turkish (or Greek i am not sure). Then it may be hard for him to translate. Thanks for answers.

L&P is a soda drink brand in New Zealand. Maybe he is a Kiwi from down under. You know how funny their version of English is.

 

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[トルフィン]

Vouyerism term would fit better with Dylan. If that is where he is going with Dylan watching Sophia with other men.

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Cuckold - This would not fit Dylan, nor would NTR. These words would work with Liam.

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Momntr subgenre is call B.S.S

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[Dr.SigmundFap]

Okay my initial words might not have clearly represented my thoughts. Half the things just stayed in my head while I assumed my idea has been communicated. Those statements don't represent but need more to them.

As for Cuckold as I said the fetish goes beyond the technical requirements. It can be with any woman you admire or desire. The same idea is used by L&P for Dylan cuckold route. Sophia is the woman Dylan both admires and desires. So now when another man gets close to Sophia and he likes it, it puts him out as a cuck. Goes to show L&P does have a decent understanding of the cuckold fetish. Can he differentiate between cuckolding and hotwifing is still be seen.

Cuckolding is heavily about the humiliation and being deprived of pleasure by the significant other henceforth mostly accompanied by chastity. Sharing or hotwifing is about sharing the wife but making it clear that the husband is top priority at all times. The guys just sharing are never called as cucks. You talk to any of these couples and he will be referred to as the stag, cuck is only used for the ones craving the humiliation associated with this.

I'm sorry, but once again, In a Cuckold, a relationship has been established, and Cuckold doesn't go beyond that. So unless you're telling me that Sophia will break up or divorce Liam and Dylan become her Boyfriend, and then she either cheats on Dylan or Dylan asks her to sleep with other guys and watch Sophia with them, then no, that is not cuckold or a cuck.

If there is no relationship, sexually and exclusively between the two (BF/GF or Husband/Wife), it would be a booty call, friends with benefits, get-together, hookup buddy, or friend.

Cuckolding is not heavily about humiliation, although humiliation can be a part of it.

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

Momntr subgenre is call B.S.S

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Per the definition for B.S.S, The only jealousy displayed by Dylan was with Sam, Darnell, and The Hobos. The jealousy only happens when you choose the Non-Cuckold routes, which stop Sophia from being with others. So B.S.S doesn't apply here.

 

[palmtrees89]

I'm sorry, but once again, In a Cuckold, a relationship has been established, and Cuckold doesn't go beyond that. So unless you're telling me that Sophia will break up or divorce Liam and Dylan become her Boyfriend, and then she either cheats on Dylan or Dylan asks her to sleep with other guys and watch Sophia with them, then no, that is no cuckold or a cuck.

If there is no relationship, sexually and exclusively between the two (BF/GF or Husband/Wife), it would be a booty call, friends with benefits, get-together, hookup buddy, or friend.

Cuckolding is not heavily about humiliation, although humiliation can be a part of it.

That's how I see it, too. Being a cuck for watching porn starring a woman I might be physically attracted to is something I've never heard of. If the woman doesn't even know of my existence, is not aware of me watching the act, and the both of us aren't engaged in some kind of relationship with eachother, it's not cuckolding if you ask me. The very definition of this fetish includes all of the above. But if none of it is given, like you've also explained in your post, it's an entirely different fetish, no matter how far someone's trying to stretch it.

That being said, I personally don't care much about cuckold/NTR in VN's aslong as the scenes are presented well and the story is good. It's not like I'm the guy sitting in the corner watching my wife having sex with someone else, especially not in a VN starring a female MC.

 

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[Dr.SigmundFap]

That's how I see it, too. Being a cuck for watching porn starring a woman I might be physically attracted to is something I've never heard of. If the woman doesn't even know of my existance, is not aware of me watching the act, and the both of us aren't engaged in some kind of relationship with eachother, it's not cuckolding if you ask me. The very definition of this fetish includes all of the above. But if none of it is a given, like you've also explained in your post, it's an entirely different fetish, no matter how far someone's trying to stretch it.

That being said, I personally don't care much about cuckold/NTR in VN's aslong as the scenes are presented well and the story is good. It's not like I'm the guy sitting in the corner watching my wife having sex with someone else, especially not in a VN starring a female MC.

I agree. From what you described in your early post, The act of watching without the other knowing would be Voyeurism. This would be the same thing that happen with Dylan in the Yoga Event when he was in the women's locker and shower room.

 

[darji]

Quick question. What is the difference between a wife a mother and decisions of Life? On the patreon i only get decisions of life wich seems censored with less routes znd choices.