VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[Alley_Cat]

Please guys, answer me, who has better scenes? The son or Sam?

Ellie has the best content of the four LIs on the Filthy route. Patricia is the funniest. But of the guys, Sam, especially with this update, has the most progress.

Excuse my question but how far is this game from the first sex scene?

Playable day 19. May take as much as 10 years to appear in game though.

 

[LucasLeels]

Ellie has the best content of the four LIs on the Filthy route. Patricia is the funniest. But of the guys, Sam, especially with this update, has the most progress.

Hmmm
You can judge me, but it's sad to see he has more progress than his own son, which is a pity for me.

 

[crabboid]

Please guys, answer me, who has better scenes? The son or Sam?

The constant Sam teasing is going to make my balls explode.

 

[lockerxx]

sam we go from this:

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to this:

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where you go from this?

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[GingerSweetGirl]

As for the quality of writing, everyone should accept an average level. English is not mandatory, not all developers are native English speakers, and the ability to juggle from the jargon of repeaters in high school to the Queen's English takes years of study.

The picky ones should demonstrate their linguistic capabilities in a language other than their native language. Only then will we be able to talk.

This is a cop out. By L&P's own standards, this update had poor writing. Is it better than most porn games? Yes. Does that matter? No, because that isn't the standard that was set. L&P wants to create something great, something more than just a porn game, and with that comes raised expectations. This is especially true considering the length of time for development and in particular the length of time it takes to go through translation. Yes, English is a difficult language, but typos are inexcusable because they're easy to catch. Not catching them is simply sloppy. It's more difficult to get the localization and syntax correct, but it isn't as though L&P doesn't have the offers for help, or the resources to get the help. He certainly takes long enough to translate the scripts. To have such a muddled script shouldn't be hand waved away. It is absolutely misguided to say that he can't be criticized over his writing just because English isn't his first language. No one asked him to create a complicated narrative in a foreign language. He's the one that doesn't seem to want to get the help necessary to make his writing better. If he wants to make a story-driven game that leans on eroticism rather than hardcore pornography, then it's his responsibility to produce a well written script. Could I write a script in German? No, but that doesn't mean that any criticism of his writing is invalid. If I tried to write a story based game in German, and my German sucked, then I would deserve criticism.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Hmmm
You can judge me, but it's sad to see he has more progress than his own son, which is a pity for me.

I think you mean "her own son"

 

[Blue Milk]

Does anybody have a breakdown of what the upcoming content will be?

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

So your point is to insult someone else right off the bat for a well reasoned review, done once, while you have done multiples and they are the windbag. Yep, lost me there. Lose your little snark and you almost had something. Almost, your very thesis shuts you down: 'Each persons point of view' yet you deny any that don't fit your view while claiming you have an expansive view. Clearly NOT!. Really!

I think Angmir was kidding about the "hypocrisy" line. At least that's how I took it.

 

[crabboid]

sam we go from this:

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to this:

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where you go from this?

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Oh dear lord, how did you get those? She keeps turning him down in mine. Is it the Filthy level?

 

[Angmir]

I think Angmir was kidding about the "hypocrisy" line. At least that's how I took it.

I could not understand his post clearly, but yeah I meant no offense.
Just a little harmless smirk. It was good to hear from someone who actualy played the update, reading it all.

 

[Try My Patience or Not]

"This is a story telling game! Not a sex game! Don't expect sex!"

The story: 2/10
The writing: 3/10
English: 1/10
Quality of scenes: 8/10

The dev had enough time and resources to create a better update, he failed to deliver. By what I saw him write on the Patreon, he really indeed plans to finish this game in 2026. We all joke about it, but in his own words: "this is a 30 day series! we are at day 13!". This dude is milking this game more than Rockstar is milking GTA5 lmao.

Stop defending him, you won't earn anything that way. He deserves the criticism and the ones that pay him need to reconsider if it is worth it. Give credit where credit is due but do not forget to criticize too. This "game" has been out for 4+ years and we haven't reached anywhere.

Well, we certainly have been teased a great deal that's for sure. A clue to this game and Sophia's sexual behavior or lack thereof can be read in her thoughts after Patricia broke her and Tyler up at the club. "Sophia looked up. The sight of her sister and her daughter brought her back to reality, and she remembered that she was still 'a wife and mother'." Something always happens story-wise (so far) that opens her eyes and prevents us from seeing "the money shot". I only hope that the frustration builds and crescendos into 5 or 6 massive orgasms with someone other than her husband, whilst I'm still able to appreciate it.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Does anybody have a breakdown of what the upcoming content will be?

Courtesy of Apollodore, can be found here

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Yeah - I am surprised and even slightly suspicious, that the debt was foregone so quickly after relatively such little things that Sophia did for Larry. I will forgive that if there are more to come in future days - despite his protestations that he (Don Morello) was happily married, he certainly still seemed interested in Sophia.

Because I don't think Morello ever cared about the money, it was just an excuse to get close to Sophia. It would not surprise me at all if Morello exploited Liam's gambling problem once he (Morello) learned who Sophia was. Sure, Morello wanted his money back, but he was far more interested in using the threat of the debt to get closer to Sophia. I've also NEVER believed L&P that there was no sexual intent from Morello towards Sophia. I know he denied a "indecent proposal" situation, but I think he's either outright lying or he's lying by omission.

 

[lockerxx]

Oh dear lord, how did you get those? She keeps turning him down in mine. Is it the Filthy level?

yes and maybe the "sam points"

 

[xxxorro]

See maybe your comment "the interactions between the characters stepped up too quickly" reflects that L&P has listened to criticism of previous updates. Have said before after both the morning and afternoon updates for Events Day 19 / Playable Day 12, that there does feel as if there has been a ramping up of sexual activities over the last three updates. We have had:

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Yes it won't satisfy those who want to see Sophia fuck every person introduced in the VN. But it is definitely accelerated.
I have said before the danger is for L&P to do that and accelerate the sexual acts, without losing what had made the story so special beforehand.

Also have said before it is more effective to show and not tell. You are right. Rather than L&P telling us that they swapped reminisces of past events and that sexual tensions had been rising, it would have been better to spend a few more renders (maybe 10-15 renders) showing these past events and us seeing that all four characters (i.e. not just Sophia) were getting more sexually excited from the swapping of tales bygone,

Just to be clear, my remark was not about the pace or the content of the events. As you show in your list the pace escalated a lot this PD, whether it was planned like this or because he is adapting.

What I was noting is that the *transition* between where we left the interaction with a certain character and the new event with that same character has a sort of gap. I took the old gents example because it was the most striking to me: you suddenly meet these guys that are openly flirting and making sexual innuendos with Sophia. This is obviously a problem coming from the previous side job events that were a few lines delegated to the narrator voice explaining things. That failed to set up the context in which the interactions take place. Then the event itself is fine, once you move on from the "abrupt" start.

In a similar way and at different extents the interactions/dialogues with Dylan, Aiden, Nathalie and Sam felt (at least to me) having a transition gap wrt where we previously left the characters. Like they were suddenly on a different level. But then (again, to me) the rest of each event was fine.
Maybe it's just me and/or I'm nitpicking. I don't know if you notice that too and had the same feeling.
I don't know if this PD have a special place in his plan and served as a "booster" for all the paths. For sure now the relationship with most of the characters is clearly on a different level. We'll see in the next update(s) if there will be a smoother progression in that sense.

 

[LucasLeels]

The constant Sam teasing is going to make my balls explode.

In what sense?

I think you mean "her own son"

Thanks for correcting.

 

[supppppbroooo]

Congrats on the update guys! See you on summer 2022 for the next one *cries*

 

[crabboid]

In what sense?


Thanks for correcting.

One of the worst case of blue balls I've ever had.

yes and maybe the "sam points"

I guess the mod's not working for me, then. I've got "Filthy" set to 200, and Sam set to 200 as well, and she keeps on telling him no.

 

[GingerSweetGirl]

Just to be clear, my remark was not about the pace or the content of the events. As you show in your list the pace escalated a lot this PD, whether it was planned like this or because he is adapting.

What I was noting is that the *transition* between where we left the interaction with a certain character and the new event with that same character has a sort of gap. I took the old gents example because it was the most striking to me: you suddenly meet these guys that are openly flirting and making sexual innuendos with Sophia. This is obviously a problem coming from the previous side job events that were a few lines delegated to the narrator voice explaining things. That failed to set up the context in which the interactions take place. Then the event itself is fine, once you move on from the "abrupt" start.

In a similar way and at different extents the interactions/dialogues with Dylan, Aiden, Nathalie and Sam felt (at least to me) having a transition gap wrt where we previously left the characters. Like they were suddenly on a different level. But then (again, to me) the rest of each event was fine.
Maybe it's just me and/or I'm nitpicking. I don't know if you notice that too and had the same feeling.
I don't know if this PD have a special place in his plan and served as a "booster" for all the paths. For sure now the relationship with most of the characters is clearly on a different level. We'll see in the next update(s) if there will be a smoother progression in that sense.

I see what you mean about the transitions between scenes, but to me it hasn't been a problem. In fact, I think it's necessary, and needs to be even greater. The game needs to MOVE, it's already so slowly paced that it's hard to imagine the 30-day schedule working. Without jumps between scenes, characters like Natalie and (to a lesser extent) Sam would already be so far behind that they could never catch up and have sexy scenes with Sophia. Because Natalie appears so infrequently, I think we can pretty much guarantee that every scene with her from now on is going to escalate substantially from the previous scene. The next time we see her, I have no doubt that there will be nudity, with sex only being a heartbeat away.

Dylan and Ellie can develop more naturally because they appear in almost every single update. There's no need for an abrupt jump in how sexual they can be with Sophia. L&P can take his time, develop the relationships very deliberately. It's still painfully slow, but it makes sense.

This is also why Sophia's relationship with the Apostles escalated so quickly. It was disgusting and far too quick, but the side jobs appear so seldom that we're going to see a lot of inconsistencies between scenes. The next time Sophia works at the nursing home, she's going to wear that crazy sexy outfit for the old men. I suspect she's also going to let them get to second base with her. Within the next three scenes at the nursing home, I believe Sophia will have sex with them. But that will take probably 15 years, and it will be late in the game. But in terms of where the relationship is right now, it will be a huge jump and will feel unrealistic. But, again, that's understandable because at some point the game simply has to move.

 

[imbatshit452]

how much money is this guy making?