VN Ren'Py A Wife and Mother [v0.220] [Lust & Passion]

[CSK92]

Almost half a year of expectations and, as a result, another disappointment. The game progresses too slowly in the plot, there is a very small amount of spicy content in each update, compared to many other games, this game has disgusting animation inserts (it would be better if they did not exist at all). While other developers for about the same period of time manage to both promote the plot and give sex users (the game has been made since 2017, during this time we received ANY SEX SCENE WITHOUT HUSBAND) and not just fill it with static pictures, but make full-fledged animations (sometimes incredibly beautiful), this developer for 5 (seriously?) months makes a third of the game day (THIRD !!!!) with disgusting slideshows. I fundamentally do not understand all those defenders who prove that this is the main feature of the game - slow ignition, gradual corruption of the main character, perhaps this is so, just not 4 REAL YEARS. Even the game Jessica O'Neil's Hard News, which has been doing since 2018, has managed to do and show more (although there are also a number of claims and questions for it) than A Wife and Mother. And how long now to wait for the next update, another 4-5 months to see 3 scenes without animations ?! Sponsoring such developers, turning a blind eye to a small amount of content will only untie his hands more and he will further lengthen the development period and make content even less, because the hamsters will eat and donate, the rest does not matter.

Most of this I agree with, but this game was never about the ie sex users. It has some sex scenes. Its all about the route getting there. Its the journey, not the end. Don't accuse me of being a LP defender. I'm not. Pretty critical actually. I see he may be shortening release times again LOL. Do not see where this will help with the development and moving the plot faster. He's needed help for two years now, because the game has gotten so big (Branching). Until this happens 50 to 75% of playable day per year. LP, just finally put a freaking team together.

Thought the Natalie update was great.

 

[lockerxx]

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wow.

 

[Xyzwvu]

I think the thing about Don Morello is that it isn't about touching Sophia, or even seducing Sophia, but simply showing up Liam. Scaring him into taking his responsibilities to Sophia seriously, otherwise someone like either of the Morello brothers could easily scoop her up. And in doing so, simply enjoying the power he's accumulated, much like Aiden is doing, just with far more style.

And the Morellos are one of the few characters in the game besides Carl that has an answer to the question I occasionally ask: "Why would Sophia risk her job and/or marriage to cheat on Liam?" Aiden, Sam, Dylan don't have an answer to this question.

just wanted to ask you a question.. you are probably well versed with game so
Do you think that the scene where Sophia asks ellie and her friend about the cigarette. If dylan takes the fall for that, will it affect the relationship between Sofia and him positively later by any chance or maybe spice things up between ellie her friend and dylan?

 

[Dkci159]

Since the 1st update (event one) is supposed to be Aiden's 4th Task, 1st comfortable solution, and Morello's optional, I was saying this year. It's possible with all the assets made except for the clothing and if this takes place in the school and classroom. The issue is how many CS/Renders will he need to complete it. If he only needs about 70 maybe less, it's possible he could make December this year. But taking into account his past updates and CS/Render count, January may be the more logical choice for release.

bro rest assured the new update will take a long time. Everyone here is waiting for an early update. I hope that happens as you say. As you said, if there is an early update, I will support the game. But now I don't want to be a nerd.

 

[Talcum Powder]

just wanted to ask you a question.. you are probably well versed with game so
Do you think that the scene where Sophia asks ellie and her friend about the cigarette. If dylan takes the fall for that, will it affect the relationship between Sofia and him positively later by any chance or maybe spice things up between ellie her friend and dylan?

Best case scenario: Sophia tells Dylan she knew right away that Dylan was covering for the girls, and will admire him more for it (Dylan_Chivalry +1). And, it advances Ellie/Dylan potential.

Otherwise it says (at least) two things: Sophia doesn’t know her kids that well (out of touch) which is a detriment to the sincerity of development with Ellie, and it’s a step backwards for Dylan/Sophia progress - another cockblock inserted by L&P to delay things even further.

 

[Alley_Cat]

just wanted to ask you a question.. you are probably well versed with game so
Do you think that the scene where Sophia asks ellie and her friend about the cigarette. If dylan takes the fall for that, will it affect the relationship between Sofia and him positively later by any chance or maybe spice things up between ellie her friend and dylan?

Best case scenario: Sophia tells Dylan she knew right away that Dylan was covering for the girls, and will admire him more for it (Dylan_Chivalry +1). And, it advances Ellie/Dylan potential.

Otherwise it says (at least) two things: Sophia doesn’t know her kids that well (out of touch) which is a detriment to the sincerity of development with Ellie, and it’s a step backwards for Dylan/Sophia progress - another cockblock inserted by L&P to delay things even further.

I don't believe Dylan_Chivalry is a thing. But as I've been saying for a while now, as long as it is still possible to play the bonus storyline and the Ellie route, they need to match. And currently they don't. The Sam and Ellie routes however do.

I don't know about the bonus storyline, but in my playthrough Christine admits to bringing the cigarettes, but says they're one of her friends, since Dylan is away at boarding school and obviously can't take the fall for Ellie.

 

[Asterix1989]

Best case scenario: Sophia tells Dylan she knew right away that Dylan was covering for the girls, and will admire him more for it (Dylan_Chivalry +1). And, it advances Ellie/Dylan potential.

Otherwise it says (at least) two things: Sophia doesn’t know her kids that well (out of touch) which is a detriment to the sincerity of development with Ellie, and it’s a step backwards for Dylan/Sophia progress - another cockblock inserted by L&P to delay things even further.

Do you have a Dylan/Sophia guide or something like that?

 

[Talcum Powder]

Do you have a Dylan/Sophia guide or something like that?

Regrettably, I have nothing but weak opinions and an increasingly shoddy memory to share.

 

[Sabertooth__]

Since the 1st update (event one) is supposed to be Aiden's 4th Task, 1st comfortable solution, and Morello's optional, I was saying this year. It's possible with all the assets made except for the clothing and if this takes place in the school and classroom. The issue is how many CS/Renders will he need to complete it. If he only needs about 70 maybe less, it's possible he could make December this year. But taking into account his past updates and CS/Render count, January may be the more logical choice for release.

Apparently, he did complete the Nathalie event in less than a month which is around 276 renders. The asset was Sophia's residence so no additional work just like it's going to be for this Aiden event.
The only reason why I would say it will be January is because of Christmas and holidays. He most likely would take a break.

 

[Twelvemonkey]

Let me cut to the chase, did sophia fuck yet?

 

[Talcum Powder]

I don't believe Dylan_Chivalry is a thing. But as I've been saying for a while now, as long as it is still possible to play the bonus storyline and the Ellie route, they need to match. And currently they don't. The Sam and Ellie routes however do.p.

There is no variable for Dylan’s chivalry, of course. I wasn’t being literal there. Covering for the girls and Sophia recognizing it and admiring him for doing so is what I hope is going on.

As a parent I see my children and other parents’ kids doing and saying things and we parents recognize when they are covering up. It’s usually obvious, even as they get into their teens and their sophistication increases. Even when you miss it on the first pass later you learn things about them (by passive observation and through conversation) that allow you to reflect back on their earlier actions and behavior and suss it out.

What I’m hoping is that Sophia knows and understands her kids (she’s a teacher as well, after all) and picks up on the fact that Dylan is trying to protect his sister. It’s an easy win for Sophia (and us) because she doesn’t have to get into a confrontation with Ellie, so there’s no hindrance to that progression, and it shows that Dylan’s chivalry (first evidenced with the hobos at the park) is an integral part of his character and not a stunt he’s pulling to impress in the moment.

As I read it, Dylan has absolutely no reason to suspect that there’s a possible sexual relationship with his sister at this point and other than being a bit frisky (the laptop scene) he doesn’t seem to view her in that light anyway.

Likewise, Sophia has no reason to think there’s anything brewing between Ellie and Dylan. So Dylan covering up can be read by her as a genuinely altruistic act.

If my logic holds (it may be rubbish, I admit), then we can go further and suppose that Dylan is consciously risking his progress with Sophia: he knows he shouldn’t smoke - he’s an athlete for Christ’s sake - he tried it anyway, that’s immature and impulsive, motivations that are unlikely to further endear him to his mother.

If Sophia recognizes this act for what it really is, she should admire him more because of it.

But then again, I don’t get the sense that L&P has kids, or if he does he’s more in the Liam mold and none of what I just wrote would have ever occurred to him.

Oh well, hopefully that’s worth the time it takes to read.

 

[DanThaMan]

No, and she won't for the next 4 years. See you later.

So 4 more in-game days? that's wishful thinking..

 

[Alley_Cat]

There is no variable for Dylan’s chivalry, of course. I wasn’t being literal there. Covering for the girls and Sophia recognizing it and admiring him for doing so is what I hope is going on.

As a parent I see my children and other parents’ kids doing and saying things and we parents recognize when they are covering up. It’s usually obvious, even as they get into their teens and their sophistication increases. Even when you miss it on the first pass later you learn things about them (by passive observation and through conversation) that allow you to reflect back on their earlier actions and behavior and suss it out.

What I’m hoping is that Sophia knows and understands her kids (she’s a teacher as well, after all) and picks up on the fact that Dylan is trying to protect his sister. It’s an easy win for Sophia (and us) because she doesn’t have to get into a confrontation with Ellie, so there’s no hindrance to that progression, and it shows that Dylan’s chivalry (first evidenced with the hobos at the park) is an integral part of his character and not a stunt he’s pulling to impress in the moment.

As I read it, Dylan has absolutely no reason to suspect that there’s a possible sexual relationship with his sister at this point and other than being a bit frisky (the laptop scene) he doesn’t seem to view her in that light anyway.

Likewise, Sophia has no reason to think there’s anything brewing between Ellie and Dylan. So Dylan covering up can be read by her as a genuine and sincere act of concern.

If my logic holds (it may be rubbish, I admit), then we can go further and suppose that Dylan is consciously risking his progress with Sophia: he know he shouldn’t smoke - he’s an athlete for Christ’s sake - he tried it anyway, that’s immature and impulsive, motivations that are unlikely to further endear him to his mother.

If Sophia recognizes this act for what it really is, she should admire him more because of it.

But then again, I don’t get the sense that L&P has kids, or if he does he’s more in the Liam mold and none of what I just wrote would have ever occurred to him.

Oh well, hopefully that’s worth the time it takes to read.

Considering that by the end of PD 13 the bonus storyline is mutually exclusive with Sophia/Dylan, you may be right in that in taking the fall he's consciously risking his relationship with Sophia, much like the Twist would have.

But then I see the bonus storyline as one of the branches that should be DLC, much like Emma and the two side jobs. Possibly even the Logan branch of the Ellie route.

 

[Talcum Powder]

Considering that by the end of PD 13 the bonus storyline is mutually exclusive with Sophia/Dylan, you may be right in that in taking the fall he's consciously risking his relationship with Sophia, much like the Twist would have.

But then I see the bonus storyline as one of the branches that should be DLC, much like Emma and the two side jobs. Possibly even the Logan branch of the Ellie route.

I never really paid a whole lot of attention before because it was always light years away (to the person about to tell me that light years are a measure of distance: fuck off you newt) but as it draws towards the horizon: what specifics can you share about the “bonus” story line?

And maybe even more important (my sarcasm is in no way directed at you, for the record): when an erotic VN includes a subway thugs plot that goes just about nowhere, a planned trip to the museum to flirt with some college kids, two trips to the hair salon (a third is planned, I believe) and a trip to the dentist, a dropped dance class thread, an unrealized cheerleading thread, a shopping trip that can, but doesn’t have to, include Emma, all of this heaped on top of two choices for side-jobs, a completely optional 12-trials of Aiden plot that can but doesn’t have to involve a mafia debt, Bennet (nuff said) and an aborted effort to squeeze in a coaching gig, what, exactly, makes“bonus” the appropriate adjective?

 

[Alley_Cat]

I never really paid a whole lot of attention before because it was always light years away (to the person about to tell me that light years are a measure of distance: fuck off you newt) but as it draws towards the horizon: what specifics can you share about the “bonus” story line?

And maybe even more important (my sarcasm is in no way directed at you, for the record): when an erotic VN includes a subway thugs plot that goes just about nowhere, a planned trip to the museum to flirt with some college kids, two trips to the hair salon (a third is planned, I believe) and a trip to the dentist, a dropped dance class thread, an unrealized cheerleading thread, a shopping trip that can, but doesn’t have to, include Emma, all of this heaped on top of two choices for side-jobs, a completely optional 12-trials of Aiden plot that can but doesn’t have to involve a mafia debt, Bennet (nuff said) and an aborted effort to squeeze in a coaching gig, what, exactly, makes“bonus” the appropriate adjective?

In terms of specifics about the bonus storyline, none. But I think what actually concerns me more than the possibility of Dylan fucking Ellie is how much earlier it might happen than Dylan fucking Sophia. Either one, if the truth of their relationship ever comes out to Patreon, would immediately shut down his site, and likely the game, considering his Subscribestar page last I checked only has about a dozen members.

If the bonus storyline indeed culminates before playable day 16, which would likely mean playable 14, if Dylan and Ellie end up losing their v-cards together, there's a very real possibility we may never see playable day 16. No "wild event", no Ellie day, and Sophia not having sex on the Filthy route.

 

[Talcum Powder]

In terms of specifics about the bonus storyline, none. But I think what actually concerns me more than the possibility of Dylan fucking Ellie is how much earlier it might happen than Dylan fucking Sophia. Either one, if the truth of their relationship ever comes out to Patreon, would immediately shut down his site, and likely the game, considering his Subscribestar page last I checked only has about a dozen members.

If the bonus storyline indeed culminates before playable day 16, which would likely mean playable 14, if Dylan and Ellie end up losing their v-cards together, there's a very real possibility we may never see playable day 16. No "wild event", no Ellie day, and Sophia not having sex on the Filthy route.

Dylan and Ellie getting to full on sex before half of the playable days are done? That doesn’t seem likely - completely out of step with the story’s pattern of progression. Though, wanking off twelve year olds on the second day of homeschool happened so, yeah… maybe. Huh.

 

[Alley_Cat]

Dylan and Ellie getting to full on sex before half of the playable days are done? That doesn’t seem likely - completely out of step with the story’s pattern of progression. Though, wanking off twelve year olds on the second day of homeschool happened so, yeah… maybe. Huh.

That's been one of my problems with believing the bonus storyline will involve anything sexual between Dylan and Ellie since the storyline was announced. There simply isn't enough time for Ellie to do the complete 180 in her attitude towards Dylan that her wanting to fuck Dylan would be required. Especially since in the Ellie route she's pretty much turning lesbian. In the Ellie/Julia event she tells Sophia that if it came to a choice between Logan and Jules, it would without question be Jules. And since it's possible to play that event and the bonus storyline, L&P would need to reconcile why the hell Ellie would cheat on Sophia, Logan and Jules by fucking Dylan. He offers nothing of any additional value.

 

[roro]

No one is here to look at cool grass except you.
Comparing both updates in terms of content vs time spent on it and still come here with these comparisons... Shameless.


Maybe those are the only comparisons you have left to say something but the truth is with an extra 2 months DPC delivered:

• ~4100 renders
• 24 2D-art pieces
• 358 animations
• 37 songs
• 31 sound effects

L&P delivered

• ~900 renders
• 0 2D-art pieces
• 0.5 animations
• Sam singing songs
• the sound effects of some people in this topic having their balls bursting

He's not the only one here looking at grass. The ambient quality is important to me, and I assure you, it's important to many. You don't care for it - good for you. But the grass and doors nexer is so obsessed about are a great example that the comparison you and others are doing here between DPC and L&P is wrong. And though I play BaDik and like it a lot, for me the immersion is ruined just because of those little details.
I once played a game where all ambient characters where just black mannequins... Sure, that's the far opposite, and Awam is the other extreme. Badik is somewhere in the middle - mediocre in the render quality aspect and great in almost every other aspect.

 

[Alexmisrovoch]

What are the upcoming events for the next update?

 

[Dr.SigmundFap]

There is no way that the update arrives this year. Half of December is a wash, Christmas and New Year pretty much suck all of the oxygen out of the month. I don't expect any dev to do much of any work on their game after December 15th. I hear your points, and they're reasonable, but considering it's the end of the year I don't think any of us should expect much. Personally, I'm expecting a late January release.

That's why I said January myself. It was the same with the last update. If you remember, he was pushing for October, but most of everyone here knew it would be November. So I think he is more optimistic than anything else. The only thing he has going for him this time is that most of the assets are complete if there are no more new locations. But it falls back on does he control his cs/render count, or does he continue to expand on it like he usually does from his previous updates?